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 Sledgehammer wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
The new storm trooper rules are move through cover deep strikers. No outflanking though.

But they are made to move through rough terrain as are their light but powerful transports. Also have Valkyries available to them.

Militarum Tempestus might be something to look at.

I actually don't like the look of the scions, i feel like there is a clash of ideas in their design. Instead i was thinking of just converting normal cadians by putting camo cloaks, and using the forge world respirator heads. I could just say that they are using hellguns without the big old back packs (which wouldn't work with the cloaks), and only have 30 round mags instead of 150. I also feel like their cavalier or renaissance esq breasplates don't go with the overall fluff or design of my unit.

The taurox is cool except for the tracks..... if you could make that baby a full on half track than i would really like it, but the quad tracks are just odd, weird and ugly. It doesn't fit with my theme either though.

http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=77&product_id=231

You could use these, they're a dollar each, reputedly of high quality and they're picture perfect hotshot lasguns. You could keep the cable going underneath the cloak to a hidden power pack and not attach the big pack included in the kit.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
The new storm trooper rules are move through cover deep strikers. No outflanking though.

But they are made to move through rough terrain as are their light but powerful transports. Also have Valkyries available to them.

Militarum Tempestus might be something to look at.

I actually don't like the look of the scions, i feel like there is a clash of ideas in their design. Instead i was thinking of just converting normal cadians by putting camo cloaks, and using the forge world respirator heads. I could just say that they are using hellguns without the big old back packs (which wouldn't work with the cloaks), and only have 30 round mags instead of 150. I also feel like their cavalier or renaissance esq breasplates don't go with the overall fluff or design of my unit.

The taurox is cool except for the tracks..... if you could make that baby a full on half track than i would really like it, but the quad tracks are just odd, weird and ugly. It doesn't fit with my theme either though.

http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=77&product_id=231

You could use these, they're a dollar each, reputedly of high quality and they're picture perfect hotshot lasguns. You could keep the cable going underneath the cloak to a hidden power pack and not attach the big pack included in the kit.

is it lore cannon that a normal lasgun can be modified to become a hellgun by simply increasing the rate at which the power pack is drained?

I actually like the look of the standard las gun more than any other gun in the warhammer universe, turns out its also considered the least powerful .

A lsagun takes many forms. Many of them can change rate of fire, power and so on.

With the imperial guard they can be anything you want. Nothing is 100% in the guard. They arent all even human. Dont like cadian or scion models? then find some other models. Dont like the Taurox? Get a different kit.

The guard are literally bound by nothing. Do anything you want. GW doesnt cover even a smidgen of the imperial guard. So dont feel like you have to use anything.

Dont use Scion models for storm troopers if you dont want. Nobody can tell you otherwise.

 Trickstick wrote:
I think that this sounds good. I do suggest that you look up the Tanith 1st though, as it is pretty much exactly what you described. In fact, the similarities are sort of uncanny in places.

Not really. Tanith's forests never actively tried to kill you, they just wandered.

This is more of a death world, like Catachan.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Light Infantry =/= Air Cavalry

Let's review the OP:

Vendettas with heavy troopers are dropped onto the battlefield either via grav shutes, or fast roping.

Sounds like a strong air cav element that Ailaros removed because he hates Vendettas. And the Elysian list is the obvious way to do it, since it provides infantry with the option of aircraft as dedicated transports, deep striking infantry to represent the fluff of lying in ambush waiting for a target, and air support and drop Sentinels instead of heavy tanks.

Blatant rule #1 violation.

That's nice. Enjoy your forum vacation.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Light Infantry =/= Air Cavalry

Let's review the OP:

Vendettas with heavy troopers are dropped onto the battlefield either via grav shutes, or fast roping.

Sounds like a strong air cav element that Ailaros removed because he hates Vendettas. And the Elysian list is the obvious way to do it, since it provides infantry with the option of aircraft as dedicated transports, deep striking infantry to represent the fluff of lying in ambush waiting for a target, and air support and drop Sentinels instead of heavy tanks.

Blatant rule #1 violation.

That's nice. Enjoy your forum vacation.

The OP said he didnt want more than 1 or 2 vandettas at most.

 Swastakowey wrote:
The OP said he didnt want more than 1 or 2 vandettas at most.

Yes, but that's 1-2 more than Ailaros put in that joke of a list he posted. And you don't need to use Vendetta spam to benefit from the Elysian drop troops list.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
The OP said he didnt want more than 1 or 2 vandettas at most.

Yes, but that's 1-2 more than Ailaros put in that joke of a list he posted. And you don't need to use Vendetta spam to benefit from the Elysian drop troops list.

True, well instead of giving in to personal feud, you offer your proposed superior list and go from there.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Light Infantry =/= Air Cavalry

Let's review the OP:

Vendettas with heavy troopers are dropped onto the battlefield either via grav shutes, or fast roping.

Sounds like a strong air cav element that Ailaros removed because he hates Vendettas. And the Elysian list is the obvious way to do it, since it provides infantry with the option of aircraft as dedicated transports, deep striking infantry to represent the fluff of lying in ambush waiting for a target, and air support and drop Sentinels instead of heavy tanks.

Blatant rule #1 violation.

That's nice. Enjoy your forum vacation.

Call it critical analysis, because its absolutely true, and you know it.

And If I truly wanted to insult you, I would have used far more in-depth analytical language, shall we say.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Light Infantry =/= Air Cavalry

Let's review the OP:

Vendettas with heavy troopers are dropped onto the battlefield either via grav shutes, or fast roping.

Sounds like a strong air cav element that Ailaros removed because he hates Vendettas. And the Elysian list is the obvious way to do it, since it provides infantry with the option of aircraft as dedicated transports, deep striking infantry to represent the fluff of lying in ambush waiting for a target, and air support and drop Sentinels instead of heavy tanks.

Blatant rule #1 violation.

That's nice. Enjoy your forum vacation.

Call it critical analysis, because its absolutely true, and you know it.

And If I truly wanted to insult you, I would have used far more in-depth analytical language, shall we say.

Now hush all of you children, keep calm and have some tea. With biscuits. Nice biscuits.

Could you guys take your pissing match elsewhere? JHC...

As far as the question regarding hellguns goes, per the fluff, the hellgun is a specially-built, extremely-high-quality lasgun normally issued to the Stormtrooper Regiment. It offers superior fire power and armor-penetration over any other standard, non-heavy lasgun, and has a high-capacity power-cell backpack to boot, giving it superior staying-power in a protracted battle.

Now, there are other kinds of "standard" lasguns that are sometimes referred to as hellguns because they pack what are called "hot-shot" laspacks, which is a single-shot energy cell that is most often used by snipers and sharpshooters to take down heavy infantry and light vehicle targets, as these cells provide a lot more "punch" over the regular powerpack of a lasgun.

However, as mentioned previously, there's a bazillion varieties of lasweapons in the Imperium. If you wanted to have regular IG foot-troops toting regular lasguns fed by backpack powerpacks, you can. If you wanted your hellgun-toting Stormtroopers to not use the backpacks, you can.

Sledgehammer wrote:

Swastakowey wrote:The new storm trooper rules

I actually don't like the look of the scions,

He was more noting that the list I posted isn't going to make as much sense in a little while with the new books that are coming out. From the looks of things, stormtroopers won't even be a unit in the guard codex anymore.

In any case, I was more speaking in the language of current parlance. Of course, when things change, so must you, but it was more of roughing out a general idea of what a list could look like.

Whether you make a tempestus army or not is up to you, of course, though it might wind up being better, depending on how the rules actually wind up.