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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 07:03:50
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Tied to a bedpost in an old motel, confused and naked.
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With your help I'd like to compile a master list of all of the armies and find out which ones are good and bad match-ups. I'm terrible at wording, but do you get the idea? I'll update the OP.
I know that the Tao can destroy Necrons fairly easily. Necrons rely on flyers because of our short range and the tau and shoot our flyers down pretty easily.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 07:07:53
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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*Tau
For every army there's at least one build to kill another. Luck and the right build country for everything in my eyes.
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3000 - 天空人民军队
1500
2000+ - The Sun'zu Cadre.
2000 Pt of Genestealers
1500 Pt of Sisters
'Serve the people'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 07:54:46
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Shunting Grey Knight Interceptor
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You forgot the player. A perfect army is only as good as its commander. For example my last game was big guns never tire. I had 1 heavy support and 2 troop. In double foc my opponent had 4 plus 3 troops for a 3 objective game. But he took my baits and positioned poorly and got tabled it was a my gk vs his sm. All he had to do was sit his centurions and lr on one 2 troops On another and harass me off mine.
In same regards I've won many games as necrons against tau. As 6th edition progresses and the codex balance continues we are going to see more competition with players ability over win button armies. Unless your going against chaos hound spam.God how I hate that army lol
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A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 08:07:32
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
New Zealand
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CSM
Almost everything we have works best against our wayward 'Brothers'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 08:20:35
Subject: Re:Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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GKs are best against Tyranids and Daemons due to mucking with psyker support, instant death out the ass, and being able to spam mid strength hits that wreak havoc on poor save models. Draigo in particular beats just about any Tyranid or Daemon HQ unit with ease due to his bonus against psykers and daemons, good saves and WS, EW, and force weapon. A nemesis force hammer surprise can also wreck most MCs, and DKs with flamers can toast hordes and punch out multiwound models while jumping around the battlefield with TEQ saves on a four wound T6 model like donkey-caves.
Purifiers do awful things to hordes in base contact, their storm raven can perils your special psyker to death with no saves, a vindicaire can relieve you of your invul, and their bolter range shooting remains hurtful.
DEldar are also frustrating to play against due to having the volume of shots to cut down hordes and the plasma/poison/lances to kill MCs while being very hard to force to engage you on your terms. Oh and they get craftworld eldar BATTUL BROTHAS for some really annoying combos.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 09:18:34
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
The Eye of Terror
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DE trump tyranids due to mass poison and fairly easy access to ID. In my taster game playing with them I oneshotted a hive tyrant using a hexrifle and it pretty much went downhill for the nids from then on.
Orks suffer against IG due to mass artillery
Tau outshoot necrons, outside of their elite units necrons hate cc so are gun reliant. One does not simply win a shootout with the tau.
Necrons butcher sw as they have no aircraft
Blood angels are good against necrons and tau due to the ability to close quickly with the enemy.
However counters and strategy exist in every army. its not what units you have its how you use them.
I have bested IG with orks using a kommando team to attack back feild artillery while placing my own big guns and looted wagons in reserves. He went back to save his guns and his warlord and bunched up just in time for my guns to come on and boomgun that corner to peices. (only time I was able to hit 4 different units with one large blast template). He lost about 30% of his army, most of his cannon, and the nob killed the commissar. while I lost one kommando squad.
This is tactics being used on an ork army, now you have no excuses to not use it on yours
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CSM Zenmarine Warband from assorted tratiors and heritics
DARK ANGELS woo woot
the way to win is not to make a grand masterplan, its by making sure your opponents grand masterplan fails |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 09:53:53
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Huge Hierodule
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Boy you are just spamming threads tonight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 10:02:26
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Major
Fortress of Solitude
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This is kind of silly. There can be massive diversity within armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 10:26:47
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Shunting Grey Knight Interceptor
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I agree completely. Each army can flex in different ways. Sure some armies excel at certain things. But isn't this the reason lists are made to combat what can happen. It's not like you build your army on anti space marine or anti tau. You build a Flexible list. You don't enter a tournament with an anti horde army cos you'll loose to a mech army. And you don't throw horde armies at gun line armies.
Ill go on tau vs necron. Yes I'm out ranged and my flyers are gonna get hurt. But my barges and wraiths scare the paint off riptides. So I push them to get my flyers in safely.
Same as any army and tactic. If you can force a whole army to shoot at expendable units then you can use your heavy weights without fear.
There is no one unbeatable army. It's all about strong combos and tactics
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A haiku, by Deadpool: I hate broccoli / And think it totally sucks / Why is it not meat? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 10:37:25
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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FeindusMaximus wrote:Boy you are just spamming threads tonight.
ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:This is kind of silly. There can be massive diversity within armies.
Im in agreement. Thread should be shut down.
1. Put effort into a post like this first, instead of relying on others to do all of the work.
2. This is especially true when the topic is so wide open as "who wins rock paper scissors"
3. With regards to the topic, there is no way to coherently answer. Look at tournament results and you will see that every type of list has won and lost to every other type of list on numerous occasions.
4. The same list can be played many different ways, which just increases the already astoundingly high vaugeness of the topic.
5. Not only this, but the points of the game will also exponentially increase the odds.
This thread was over before it started, the topic is too diverse and even if all other things were taken into account, a good player can play the same list 20 different ways and pure statistics (which would be in the millions of options) would not be of any help. On top of all this, the question was lazily asked "With your help I'd...". What do you mean help? You didn't put any work into your post. How can we help if you havn't dont anything? What you are doing is asking for everything to be done for you, and when you are asking such an unanswerable question in the first place, it only adds insult to injury to how you view the time of the contribution of others in this forum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:51:29
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
Canada
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MarsNZ wrote:CSM
Almost everything we have works best against our wayward 'Brothers'.
*cough* cultists *cough*
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DA army: 3500pts,
admech army: 600pts
ravenguard: 565 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 21:35:21
Subject: Re:Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Masculine Male Wych
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Shadows + Da Horror
Isnt nearly every unit of the GK Codex a psyker? So pinning tests with Ld 5 could really suck...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/04 05:16:56
Subject: Re:Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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MasterOfGaunts wrote:
Shadows + Da Horror
Isnt nearly every unit of the GK Codex a psyker? So pinning tests with Ld 5 could really suck...
GKs can lower the effectiveness of your powers right back. Though yes, being pinned sucks for a shooty counter assault army like the GKs.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/04 07:08:14
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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"My stuff can kick your stuff's ass!"
"Nu-uh, my stuff's WAY better!"
"No way, you lose to that army all the time!"
"Yeah, well at least I can kick THAT army's ass!"
"Shut up!"
- What I'm expecting of this thread
(though seriously, if OP was serious about this, he would have done some basic legwork (eg. compiled a graph not unlike the Allies matrix, showing who is good/average/bad against who) before starting this thread, then asked everyone for their critique)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/05 01:03:30
Subject: Re:Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Borden
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Any mech army will die to necrons
ANy infantry army will die to Ig
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/05 20:40:46
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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"Blood angels are good against necrons and tau due to the ability to close quickly with the enemy. "
This is patently untrue. BA are actually "good" against nothing. Two scenarios for BA exist: auto-losses and uphill battles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/06 01:34:20
Subject: Re:Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Executing Exarch
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http://www.torrentoffire.com/4062/meta-under-the-microscope-hot-and-cold-matchups
There you go. An experimentally based analysis though the number of instances is too low to have a high certainty.
Honestly though most of the 6ed armies have multiple competitive builds which are very different from one another. Jet seer, beast star, serpent spam, and reaper star are all strong builds which use CWE as their primary detachment but they are different enough that their weaknesses are very different as well. Most of the current dexs don't have cold matchups as a whole codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 07:25:39
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Martel732 wrote:"Blood angels are good against necrons and tau due to the ability to close quickly with the enemy. "
This is patently untrue. BA are actually "good" against nothing. Two scenarios for BA exist: auto-losses and uphill battles.
No synapse Tyranids.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 13:06:06
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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I'll tell you what I tell my gaming group every Thursday night:
Orks have the moral high ground since we have the oldest codex by far (4th ed.).
Boy are they all sick of hearing that. But the Internet is so open-minded I'm sure you're all happy to be reminded of that fact.
Seriously, showing up to play with an Ork army is a victory.
Whether we win or not is almost irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 13:22:30
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
Grand Rapids Metro
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Orks have been quite consistent through the years...as have guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 13:24:15
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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ductvader wrote:Orks have been quite consistent through the years...as have guard.
There is a certain quality to quantity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/08 13:25:14
Subject: Ultimate list of what armies are good against what.
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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ductvader wrote:Orks have been quite consistent through the years...as have guard.
I see you forgot the time when everyone and their grandma was crying out "FETHING NERF MUSICAL WOUNDS NOB BIKERS!"
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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