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Wow summary execution sucks mega ass now. No one is going to be putting HWT in blobs anymore.

 Vaktathi wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:
The hot-shot lasgun is still the same it was before, 18" S3 RF. Although with luck, the warlord trait can extend the reach some.

I can't " " this hard enough

They're AP3! Even at S3 they are marine destroyers.

What? You've got a 2/3rd chance to pick who you kill, which means a lasgunner. That's only if you fail stubborn ld 9 or 10. It seems like a trivial concern to me.

I think the stormtrooper orders are really what will make the army. Giving squads rending (vs vehicles and MCs), or sniper, or Preferred Enemy is a pretty great way to buff the important part of your army in any given turn.

The real weakness of the list will be keeping your command squads alive. I think the regular Scions are cheap enough that you'll do okay, but the command squad is such a force multiplier that it's dead as soon as the other side can draw a bead on it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Two questions for you:

1. Is the Militarum Tempestus like the Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum in that it is drawn from a variety of worlds with varying equipment, or is it all standardized (like the old fluff for the Stormtroopers)?

2. Is there any indication as to how Militarum Tempestus interacts with Forgeworld stuff? Do they have access to any of the other IG equipment (particularly Avenger Strike Fighters, of which I own three, and am now in need for an IG army to field them with)?

1. While still drawn from many different worlds, they are far more standardized than the IG. There are some regiments with more unique stuff, but most are fairly unified.

2. At this time, the book shows no indication of how it interacts with forgeworld stuff. As for access to IG stuff, they are treated as an individual Army. Fully stand-alone. Until the Astra militarum codex comes out, there appears to be no relation of the two forces outside of the Ally charts.


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Biophysical wrote:


The real weakness of the list will be keeping your command squads alive. I think the regular Scions are cheap enough that you'll do okay, but the command squad is such a force multiplier that it's dead as soon as the other side can draw a bead on it.

This. So much This.

I don't like that change to executions at all. My blobs don't usually have heavy weapons in them, but that's still annoying just since it takes more time. I do think the Grenadier warlord trait is hilarious, if not exactly useful. If it was a rule I could take on a squad that'd be baller though.

So they made a codex with only 5 or so units in it . . . Not impressed. Also, pretty disappointed the taurox or whatever is only av11, I kinda liked it up until I saw that,

 Ol'Dirty wrote:
So they made a codex with only 5 or so units in it . . . Not impressed. Also, pretty disappointed the taurox or whatever is only av11, I kinda liked it up until I saw that,

Still better than Codex Knights.

Only 2 options there, and any other variation in unit type is randomly determined.

 Ol'Dirty wrote:
So they made a codex with only 5 or so units in it . . . Not impressed. Also, pretty disappointed the taurox or whatever is only av11, I kinda liked it up until I saw that,

It's pretty typical for the little supplements they've been pumping out. The real deal comes soon with the actual Guard codex.

what's the points cost per model on the basic Scion squad, and how much is it for the HQ commander?

shenshinoman wrote:



And EDIT for the ally chart as follows:

Come The Apocalypse: chaos daemons, csm, necrons, orks, and nids
desperate allies: dark eldar, tau
allies of convenience: eldar
Battle Brothers "all armies of the imperium"

Even Grey Knights? They've been getting the "Allies of Convenience treatment with the last few Imperial themed supplements, such as Imperial Knights.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:



And EDIT for the ally chart as follows:

Come The Apocalypse: chaos daemons, csm, necrons, orks, and nids
desperate allies: dark eldar, tau
allies of convenience: eldar
Battle Brothers "all armies of the imperium"

Even Grey Knights? They've been getting the "Allies of Convenience treatment with the last few Imperial themed supplements, such as Imperial Knights.

I assume that Black Templars are not mentioned? (helps confirm that whole they only use the SM line on the Matrix)

Does the fluff on the Schola mention Adepta Sororitas and is it still only men can be commissars etc?

 Brother SRM wrote:
I do think the Grenadier warlord trait is hilarious, if not exactly useful. If it was a rule I could take on a squad that'd be baller though.

Well, Tank Hunter affects the entire squad, doesn't it? So effectively, it does work for the whole unit.

 thekingofdinner wrote:
what's the points cost per model on the basic Scion squad, and how much is it for the HQ commander?

5man scion squad is 5pts less than the Hydra is currently, each additional Stormtrooper is 3pts less than what a Plasma Gun typically costs.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 thekingofdinner wrote:
what's the points cost per model on the basic Scion squad, and how much is it for the HQ commander?

5man scion squad is 5pts less than the Hydra is currently, each additional Stormtrooper is 3pts less than what a Plasma Gun typically costs.

thanks. So 2 more points per model than a veteran with a grenadier doctrine, but has a hotshot lasgun and deep strike, right? Could be a fun change of pace to make my minis a bit less stationary in games. Too bad the codex is so pricy

So what the heck do these guys offer an imperial army?

Well, it had one more unit in the codex than I thought it would. I cant say that I am overly impressed with the codex, but it was expected. My true hope lays with the IG dex, I might very well never use a taurox prime but that regular variant and the stormies defiantly will get some time in the spotlight.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
So what the heck do these guys offer an imperial army?

Cheap backfield disruption and scoring.

I actually like the book, though thats based on my hopes that Forgeworld clarifies some additional options that might or might not be available to them.

The potential to field a few squads of stormtroopers and commisars backed up by some avenger strike fighters is getting me all kinds of excited.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
So what the heck do these guys offer an imperial army?

Cheap backfield disruption and scoring.

This!
I had wondered earlier that these guys would then be listed as "troops" so deep-strike and a good AP would make a good support unit if-not a cheap grab for objectives.
Could have easily been put into the IG codex but got to monetize everything you can.
I hate to say I would use them for normal guard since the mobility they offer is "refreshing" not sure if I would make use of that Ork-trukk though...

 Purifier wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:
The hot-shot lasgun is still the same it was before, 18" S3 RF. Although with luck, the warlord trait can extend the reach some.

I can't " " this hard enough

They're AP3! Even at S3 they are marine destroyers.

Yes they're AP3, they've been AP3 for 5 years, but S3 means they're wounding on 5's, and 18" means RF double tap is 9" (making it awkward to use), and even a modicum of cover will drastically reduce the effectiveness.

Answering more questions

Yep, even Grey Knights are battle-brothers to these guys.


Nope, no mention of Black Templars (unless they're the ones from the Officio Assassinorum. as i admit, as a fairly new player, i don't know ALL the fluff that exists. If they are the assassinorum, then they get little foot-notes here and there type mention).

The fluff does mention the Sisters of Battle, taking the female scions with lots of spirituality to them for final training.

No-where in this fluff does it specifically state yes or no on female commissars, however as all the training occurs together until late in the line, where they show their particular talents to become the individual groups (such as very spiritual women going to join the sisters of battle.), I'd vote that commissars can be female.

shenshinoman wrote:
Answering more questions

Yep, even Grey Knights are battle-brothers to these guys.


Nope, no mention of Black Templars (unless they're the ones from the Officio Assassinorum. as i admit, as a fairly new player, i don't know ALL the fluff that exists. If they are the assassinorum, then they get little foot-notes here and there type mention).

The fluff does mention the Sisters of Battle, taking the female scions with lots of spirituality to them for final training.

No-where in this fluff does it specifically state yes or no on female commissars, however as all the training occurs together until late in the line, where they show their particular talents to become the individual groups (such as very spiritual women going to join the sisters of battle.), I'd vote that commissars can be female.

"female scions with lots of spirituality".....

Huh, does that mean there are now female stormtroopers?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:
Answering more questions

Yep, even Grey Knights are battle-brothers to these guys.


Nope, no mention of Black Templars (unless they're the ones from the Officio Assassinorum. as i admit, as a fairly new player, i don't know ALL the fluff that exists. If they are the assassinorum, then they get little foot-notes here and there type mention).

The fluff does mention the Sisters of Battle, taking the female scions with lots of spirituality to them for final training.

No-where in this fluff does it specifically state yes or no on female commissars, however as all the training occurs together until late in the line, where they show their particular talents to become the individual groups (such as very spiritual women going to join the sisters of battle.), I'd vote that commissars can be female.

"female scions with lots of spirituality".....

Huh, does that mean there are now female stormtroopers?

Don't see why they wouldnt, the Imperial is an equal opportunity meat grinder

"remember, if you can hold a lasgun, you're in the guard!"

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


"female scions with lots of spirituality".....

Huh, does that mean there are now female stormtroopers?

Again, it technically does not specifically say there are female storm-troopers. Just females students at the same Schola progenium. The graduates of which, based on their abilities and tested faith, get separated between the adeptus terra, the commissars, the storm troopers, the sisters of battle, the inquisition, the assassinorum, adeptus arbites, etc. etc. It only makes note of what is required to join for some of them. The sisters of battle, outside some of its priests that also come from the progenium,, being specifically mentioned as female because, well, they're obviously a bit picky about gender there.

Edited for some grammar fixes.

Previously, the women who would become Stormtroopers became Sisters of Battle instead, as they were basically the same "template" at that stage, and simply divided along gender lines.

 Psienesis wrote:
Previously, the women who would become Stormtroopers became Sisters of Battle instead, as they were basically the same "template" at that stage, and simply divided along gender lines.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Apparently we have female stormtroopers / scions now though. Which is nice. Different, but nice.

shenshinoman wrote:
Answering more questions

Yep, even Grey Knights are battle-brothers to these guys.


Nope, no mention of Black Templars (unless they're the ones from the Officio Assassinorum. as i admit, as a fairly new player, i don't know ALL the fluff that exists. If they are the assassinorum, then they get little foot-notes here and there type mention).

The fluff does mention the Sisters of Battle, taking the female scions with lots of spirituality to them for final training.

No-where in this fluff does it specifically state yes or no on female commissars, however as all the training occurs together until late in the line, where they show their particular talents to become the individual groups (such as very spiritual women going to join the sisters of battle.), I'd vote that commissars can be female.

Thanks - that all sounds good - female Commissars and Stormtroopers appear reasonably often in the BL novels - so not ruling them out in the Codex is good. Interesting about the female scions of great Faith going to the Sororitas

re the Black Templars - in the BRB they have a separate line in the Allies Matric but following C:SM this was removed in subsequent codexes (which is much more in tune with the fluff) but some people still think that they have their own (flawed) matrix line but the evidence is very heavily against this with the lack of presence in the Codexes.

Thinking of a Airborne army of these guys (no fliers) backed by some IG Allies and thinking of an Imperial Knight or 2. Liking the orders a lot and think this will be a fun army to run.

 Purifier wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:
The hot-shot lasgun is still the same it was before, 18" S3 RF. Although with luck, the warlord trait can extend the reach some.

I can't " " this hard enough

They're AP3! Even at S3 they are marine destroyers.

Hahahahaha, no.

Hotshot lasguns are very much not very good at killing marines who are almost certainly going to be in cover.

 Purifier wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

shenshinoman wrote:
The hot-shot lasgun is still the same it was before, 18" S3 RF. Although with luck, the warlord trait can extend the reach some.

I can't " " this hard enough

They're AP3! Even at S3 they are marine destroyers.

Not really. Wounding on 5's and short range really doesn't help. Bolter marines actually do the same number of wounds per round firing to the ST as the ST do to the Marines, but the Marines have a longer range so can spend more time in control and will squish them if it comes to close combat. Given the hot shot guns are basically the Marine killing version of the lasgun, that's really not all that impressive (when you think a typical Marine army probably has enough AP4 to splatter a lot of ST).