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Hi Dakka, I was wondering what is the best load out for an Orc warboss on boar, and/or should I stick with big boss? And what would be good to take in terms of gear? (I'm getting a orc warboss box, so I'm thinking about weapons to glue on him)

Perhaps upgrade it to a Black Orc to get that +2 to armor from Heavy Armor. Give him the Charmed Shield for the 2+ to discount the first hit, in case he becomes the target of some cannon fire or other sniping abilities. By now he'll be at a 2+ armor save ( Heavy Armor, shield and the War Boar).

Talisman of Preservation is good for the 4+ Ward Save.

Sword of Striking is another favorite ( +1 to hit for 15pts).

And if you want to make sure he sticks around a little longer in combat, give him the Crown of Command to make him stubborn.

So.....Talisman of Preservation, Crown of Command, Charmed Shield, and Sword of Striking. 100pts Total.

I thought crown of command and talismans were in the same slot?

Nope, one is a Talisman and the other is enchanted.

Thanks for replying, I can easily make him wear a shield and a sword to represent his weapons, will stick some cut off head as a talisman , I guess giving him a crazy helmet with a mask will make him a black orc and for a crown I guess I can make some extra spikes on a helmet in the circle to represent it like that. Damn, I think it'll get a nice look in the end as well it will be decent in play. Also should I put him in some fast unit like boar boyz and try to go fast in combat or should I hold him back to support my boyz with Ld aura, and, if so, will a unit of goblins on wolf be good body guards to eat up some fire targeted at him ?

You really need to keep your general in your center mass.
O&G are the most panicky army in the game.

But at the cost, you could run a stripped down warboss on foot (who hides and gives out LD), a level 4 shaman, and still take that guy on the boar.

-Matt

There isnt anything stopping you from modelling WYSIWYG (particularly with the Orcs because bits just look great on them). However you shouldn't feel pressured into gluing a bit on the model to represent every specific item you'll use. This is markedly true for Fantasy, as you will probably be changing your Boss' loadout from game to game, or more often depending on how you write your list.

I would go with the following

Orc warboss - not a black orc they cost too much.
Pig - size XXL
Armour of Destiny - here is your heavy armour and 4++
Shield - an orc with a 2+ save
Choppa of Striking, Choppa of Swift Slaying or Choppa of Battle - S5/S6 on the first round is good enough, choose either ASF, +1 to hit or +1A for maximum effectiveness.
Ironcurse Icon - To protect the boar boyz you will take with him.
9+ Boar Boyz - You can take more, but dont take less.
Full command - The works, but you dont need big'uns if you dont want to. I recommend you save your big'uns upgrade for your infantry, big'un boar boyz serve well but is often overkill the S4 will be sorely missed elsewhere.
Spears and shields - Essential upgrades for boar boyz

Notice that cavalry characters shouldnt be separated from the unit that accompanies them during list creation. If you want a cavalry lord especially you must account for adequate cavalry support; if the total is too costly rethink your cavalry character.

You could downgrade to a big boss, consider keeping Armour of Destiny or Talisman of Preservation and Ironcurse Icon.

You don't need Crown of Command, save it for an infantry unit. Boar boys are all about repeat attack, more so than most heavy cavalry they are charge reliant. Boar boyz cap out at 3+ save and are S3, but S5 on the charge both for orc and pig.. So you need to pick fights to win break and move on to the next charge. If you dont think you can pull that off attack somewhere else. Orcs remain a horde army even with expensive cavaltry units, charge da ladz into iffy fights and rely on massed ranks and steadfast and give one of your infantry core leaders Crown of Command..

Thanks for help , im just begining fantasy so don't.know much yet, I play orks in 40 k . So I gueas I need to get boar boyz for shure , but can I get away with 5 ? Until I get to 1500?

 Orlanth wrote:
I would go with the following

Orc warboss - not a black orc they cost too much.
Pig - size XXL
Armour of Destiny - here is your heavy armour and 4++
Shield - an orc with a 2+ save
Choppa of Striking, Choppa of Swift Slaying or Choppa of Battle - S5/S6 on the first round is good enough, choose either ASF, +1 to hit or +1A for maximum effectiveness.
Ironcurse Icon - To protect the boar boyz you will take with him.
9+ Boar Boyz - You can take more, but dont take less.
Full command - The works, but you dont need big'uns if you dont want to. I recommend you save your big'uns upgrade for your infantry, big'un boar boyz serve well but is often overkill the S4 will be sorely missed elsewhere.
Spears and shields - Essential upgrades for boar boyz

It would probably be worth to swap the AoD and shield for HA, Enchanted Shield and the 4+ ward talisman, its like 1 or 2 points more and you get a 1+ out of it.

 Krellnus wrote:

It would probably be worth to swap the AoD and shield for HA, Enchanted Shield and the 4+ ward talisman, its like 1 or 2 points more and you get a 1+ out of it.

Nice idea, but.... how much does heavy armour cost for a non-black orc warboss?

Not having access to the book, I wouldn't know, but the trend I have seen in 8th ed books is that HA on a lord is 1 or 2 less then enchanted shield, is that not so in the O&G book?

You can't give them Heavy Armour, Light armour only for the Boss.

That sucks, may as well take a Black Orc then? They are heavy armour and full mundane stock, with +1 WS iirc?

Black Orcs are +1WS and have Immune to Psychology, Quell Animosity, and Armed To Da' Teef.
...but they cost a lot more. So you're almost always better off getting a regular Orc character and giving him heavy armour.
Sometimes, that ItP and Quell Animosity is nice. But not very often. Least of all when he's in a unit of Black Orcs, which is stupid.

And by "give him heavy armour" I mean of the magical variety. Just to be clear.

This was the point of my comment. Armour of Destiny is a good choice for an orc warboss and with a regular shield does the same job as enchanted shield and 4++ talisman.

Eh, I actually think Black Orc Warbosses are better. The ability to reach a 1+ save on a Boar, especially when combined with the Dawnstone, and a 3+ save on foot; the extra point of WS, which pips many other combat character choices; plus the extra bonuses, makes him well worth the points in my mind.

Ok. I cant agree to this, but if you can afford to swallow the 45pts fair play to you.

Can't go much wrong with a ward save item.

I like armour of destiny and bashas axe. With a shield he has 2+ 4++ with 5 S6 AP attacks, S7 in the first round of combat. More than enough to add punch to the unit.

Don't bother giving him ToP as it takes it away from your main caster. AoD is a much better choice.

 The Shadow wrote:
Eh, I actually think Black Orc Warbosses are better. The ability to reach a 1+ save on a Boar, especially when combined with the Dawnstone, and a 3+ save on foot; the extra point of WS, which pips many other combat character choices; plus the extra bonuses, makes him well worth the points in my mind.

+1 armour and +1WS are pretty decent. Immune to Psychology is pretty meh on your General, whose got a better chance of resisting that stuff anyway. Quell Animosity is a situational blessing. In or two units, it's great to have that reliability. But doing D6 S5 hits to your Big 'Uns can hurt. Especially if they're Boar Boyz. Especially since the most likely result is that they'll just end up charging like you wanted.

So I got my boss couple days ago , damn his so small just like orc boy , anyways I glued nob arms from 40 k to him but didn't attach weapons yet and a mask , Im thinking to give him shield and sword I guess itl be good to proxy him from there ...

Did you get the plastic boxset. The orcs inside are regular size, its the boar that gets a big model.

You could get hold of a Black Reach ork warboss and convert.

Black reach on is already siding on the bike for my 40 k orks I think that 40 k nobs do best job.for a fantasy warboss becose of ranks and such , to big would not fit among other boyz :(