Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Let me clarify. Do you have to disembark in the movement phase to make an assault in the assault phase? And this is all of course from assault vehicles. Of course the benefit would be that if you failed the charge distance, you are not sitting out there in the open.

How would you assault from within a transport?

In order to charge you need LOS. Charging is not shooting, so you cannot use FPs. Therefore an embarked unit cannot declare a charge.

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

but you may not declare a charge with a unit that isn't.on the table. how are you determining line of sight? how does overwatch work?

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

First, you can only disembark in the Movement phase.
Second, even if you did have permission to disembark, you need LOS, which the embarked unit does not have.

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

Disembarking is done during your movement phase, there is no rule under transports granting permission to assault out of it if embarked.

so yes you have to disembark in the movement phase if you'd like to attempt an assault.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

Disembarking is done during your movement phase, there is no rule under transports granting permission to assault out of it if embarked.

so yes you have to disembark in the movement phase if you'd like to attempt an assault.

Really too bad.

In regards to the LOS question, I usually put at least one model in the trukk bed. So since it is open-topped, and there is a model in LOS, that would seem to get around it. But Even the wording for assault vehicle doesn't seem to support the idea.

 Icculus wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

Disembarking is done during your movement phase, there is no rule under transports granting permission to assault out of it if embarked.

so yes you have to disembark in the movement phase if you'd like to attempt an assault.

Really too bad.

In regards to the LOS question, I usually put at least one model in the trukk bed. So since it is open-topped, and there is a model in LOS, that would seem to get around it. But Even the wording for assault vehicle doesn't seem to support the idea.

really not how any of that works at all. does everyone let you get away with that where you play?

Icculus,
Where in the Rules does it state one is legally allowed to do that?

Even Chariots, which are designed to have a 'rider,' don't have permission to do what you are describing.

JinxDragon wrote:
Icculus,
Where in the Rules does it state one is legally allowed to do that?

Even Chariots, which are designed to have a 'rider,' don't have permission to do what you are describing.

If it said it somewhere I couldn't find it. If I found it as explicitly described, I wouldn't bring it up here, I would just use it as common rule. But it was an idea, and I wanted to talk over the rule-sets regarding it. Perhaps I had missed something.

 Icculus wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Icculus wrote:

Zimko wrote:
How would you assault from within a transport?

Same way you disembark, except you end up base-to-base with an enemy unit, and then start fighting.

Disembarking is done during your movement phase, there is no rule under transports granting permission to assault out of it if embarked.

so yes you have to disembark in the movement phase if you'd like to attempt an assault.

Really too bad.

In regards to the LOS question, I usually put at least one model in the trukk bed. So since it is open-topped, and there is a model in LOS, that would seem to get around it. But Even the wording for assault vehicle doesn't seem to support the idea.

the one man riding on the transport is usually done for pg 118. to make clear what unit is in what transport. the model is not really there though, he's embarked with the unit. it is a such a common practice that it can be misleading to make it seem there is a rule telling you to do so.

You can accomplish the same thing by painting squad markings on the transport that match the embarked unit's markings.

No. If the assault vehicle is wrecked from hull point loss in the friendly shooting phase, then the occupants can still charge in their assault phase.

So, I suppose that to be MOST accurate, I should say that it's possible for a unit to assault without disembarking in their movement phase. Disembarking from a wrecked tank is still disembarking.