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 d-usa wrote:
This threat is an exact repeat of the "evil government is making people homeless" thread we had during the shutdown with the same people making the same argument. A group of people are breaking the rules, but the Feds are the donkey-caves for enforcing them.

Agreed.

1. Do I think the BLM may be going off the deep end? You betcha
2. Do I trust the government to think before it acts and not "ball up" at the first sign of disobedience? Nope
3. Do I think the government is (not so slowly anymore) politzeiing up due to a combination of surplus equipment, keeping up with the Jones's to get a SWAT team for the freaking park rangers? You better believe it.
4. Could the BLM be going off the deep end and acting high handedly to everyone in the area? I'd take that as a matter of course.

HOWEVER, there is an old legal concept to the effect that a party cannot come to the court with unclean hands. This guy is about as clean as a pig in a mud trough.
You don't have to go Ruby RIdge on the guy, but he's wrong and needs to be curb stomped legally. He's committing theft by grazing on other people's land. As a Westerner he should know there's a long history of ending up dead when you do stuff like that. Quit it, then you can whine about the government.

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I wish there was a more neutral news source I could find on this. All I get are these guys. Police stopping you from committing trespass is not "police assaulting you"
More importantly, am I the only one who sees this pic and all I can think of is the two cops in center left doing some kind of tango rap
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

The first comment says it all:

This is the beginning of complete federal takeover of America and citizen round-up of those who resist the NWO (FEMA camps).

From the Crash News Network's site:

n Wednesday, a bureau truck driven by a civilian employee assisting in the roundup "was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle," the agencies' statement said.
In the scuffle with protesters, a police dog was kicked, and officers protecting the civilian driver were threatened and assaulted, the two agencies' statement said. "After multiple requests and ample verbal warnings, law enforcement officers deployed Tasers on a protestor," the statement said.

If only these were union members; then people would waste no time calling them the thugs that they are acting like.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

The first comment says it all:

This is the beginning of complete federal takeover of America and citizen round-up of those who resist the NWO (FEMA camps).

Put nice grasslands in the FEMA camps, the cows will get there first and the poor victims will follow them there.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

The first comment says it all:

This is the beginning of complete federal takeover of America and citizen round-up of those who resist the NWO (FEMA camps).

From the Crash News Network's site:

n Wednesday, a bureau truck driven by a civilian employee assisting in the roundup "was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle," the agencies' statement said.
In the scuffle with protesters, a police dog was kicked, and officers protecting the civilian driver were threatened and assaulted, the two agencies' statement said. "After multiple requests and ample verbal warnings, law enforcement officers deployed Tasers on a protestor," the statement said.

If only these were union members; then people would waste no time calling them the thugs that they are acting like.

Wait wait the ranchers kicked a dog?
The Great Wienie demands justice! Exterminatz Demz Roman style! Raze their land, salt the earth (looks at pic) oh er, looks like Baby Jebus already did that. Redden their ankles with holy biting wrath!

Send in the assault troops!




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 d-usa wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

The first comment says it all:

This is the beginning of complete federal takeover of America and citizen round-up of those who resist the NWO (FEMA camps).

Put nice grasslands in the FEMA camps, the cows will get there first and the poor victims will follow them there.

Back in my day we didn't have FEMA camps. We just had trailer parks and were glad to have 'em. And so were the tornadoes.


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If all this is government land why are "the protestors" even allowed to be on it? There's no need for a "free speech zone" if you're illegally tresspassing to begin with.

The more I read the more the BLM is in the right.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This threat is an exact repeat of the "evil government is making people homeless" thread we had during the shutdown with the same people making the same argument. A group of people are breaking the rules, but the Feds are the donkey-caves for enforcing them.

Agreed.

1. Do I think the BLM may be going off the deep end? You betcha
2. Do I trust the government to think before it acts and not "ball up" at the first sign of disobedience? Nope
3. Do I think the government is (not so slowly anymore) politzeiing up due to a combination of surplus equipment, keeping up with the Jones's to get a SWAT team for the freaking park rangers? You better believe it.
4. Could the BLM be going off the deep end and acting high handedly to everyone in the area? I'd take that as a matter of course.

HOWEVER, there is an old legal concept to the effect that a party cannot come to the court with unclean hands. This guy is about as clean as a pig in a mud trough.
You don't have to go Ruby RIdge on the guy, but he's wrong and needs to be curb stomped legally. He's committing theft by grazing on other people's land. As a Westerner he should know there's a long history of ending up dead when you do stuff like that. Quit it, then you can whine about the government.

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I wish there was a more neutral news source I could find on this. All I get are these guys. Police stopping you from committing trespass is not "police assaulting you"
More importantly, am I the only one who sees this pic and all I can think of is the two cops in center left doing some kind of tango rap
http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

I've been checking the local area paper to see what's happening, along with reports from my family down there.

http://mvprogress.com

I agree that Bundy should have long ago been off that land, and I have no defense for his actions in keeping cattle on there long past time they should have been gone.
The way this is being handled though, by the government is a sledge hammer to kill a mosquito approach, and they are hurting a whole area for the sake of one man. This is what I've had issue with from the beginning.

Blame Ted Bundy er whatever his name is.

If he were wantonly grazing his cattle on private land he'd be dead already.

Sieze all cattle on public land. Take him to court for the fees owed that are not recompensed for via cattle sale - INCLUDING THE COSTS TO GET THE CATTLE. Hammer this tosser. He's a grifter

Another rancher grazing his cattle put this in, explaining the process of grazing cattle on BLM administered land:

http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/09/open-forum-there-are-other-ranchers-with-grazing-allotments-out-there/

Relapse wrote:
by the government is a sledge hammer to kill a mosquito approach, and they are hurting a whole area for the sake of one man. This is what I've had issue with from the beginning.

A Mosquito who is using hostages in the form of townsfolk and livestock to hide behind and is heavily armed and threatening violence... He is marching his cattle into harms way intentionally to have them harmed or killed in order to drum up outrage. They are dangerous criminals which are advocating violence and are showing up with weapons, they are assaulting police and intentionally harming them. If you kicked or harmed a police dog in any other place you would have a bullet in your head for attempted murder of an officer.

There is not a single thing wrong with how the government is responding to these people. I would actually be angry if they continued to not respond to these people who are causing harm to everyone else. They need to be rounded up and forced into jail for their crimes. They need to be removed from society. That town will be better off with those people in jail or forced to leave.


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Relapse wrote:
Another rancher grazing his cattle put this in, explaining the process of grazing cattle on BLM administered land:

http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/09/open-forum-there-are-other-ranchers-with-grazing-allotments-out-there/

In very simple terms (yes, I know it’s not simple), this is much the same as licensing your vehicle. Licensing it gives you the right to drive on public roads; or paying property taxes gives you the right to own a home and live in it. If we do not pay the license fees on our vehicle, pay rent to our landlord or pay our property taxes, eventually we will be given citations or notices and finally our vehicle or property will be seized and sold to cover the costs.

Our family is paying our taxes, licenses, fees and rent; just like you are.

So let's see...
*You register with the feds correctly
*Pay your taxes and fees
*Have your cattle maintained and documented
*keep them on the section you are allocated

You can still use the land? Wow... sounds almost reasonable... Shows how refusing to register, pay your taxes and fess, refusal to stay on the allocated land and refusal to document your cattle is unreasonable and those cattle need to be removed via force to protect everyone else and to prevent a blatant criminal from causing harm.

Sounds fine to me.

The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Frankly it's nice to see some patience from a government body.
20 years of warnings, fines, court cases and finally this.
If bailiffs turned up at my house to take something away and I threatened them with violence and militias I'd be arrested. This is on a bigger scale and thus affects more people.
It's Bundy that is hurting these people, he is using them as human shields and people are so caught up in the 'government is bad hurr durr' ideology that they can't see that.
I thought nkelsch was being overdramatic by calling this man a dangerous criminal and to some extent i think he still is. He isn't doing this for his cattle or for money. He has a self-inflated ego fed on stories of underdogs fighting the good fight against the big guy and he wants to be some kind of anti-federal hero at the expense of his neighbours and his family. The man is psychotic.
The government tried to deal with this another way. They tried for 20 years. That's enough time for someone to have a long career in the BLM. That's nearly my entire damn lifetime. This is what is has come to because he didn't stop.

Relapse wrote:
Another rancher grazing his cattle put this in, explaining the process of grazing cattle on BLM administered land:

http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/09/open-forum-there-are-other-ranchers-with-grazing-allotments-out-there/

End there's too. Don't make me start singing the tale of Minnie the Moocher.
Actually it sounds like there are law abiding people who legally use the ground. Maybe they should get togewther and have a little chat with this Bundy fellow...


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Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Too bad. Blame Bundy (hey thats catchy).

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Sorry, the Moapa Valley is not some massive hub of tourism in Clark County. Do people go there? Probably, but we are talking about some place in the middle of the desert 60 miles from Las Vegas.
Furthermore, a handful of federal police dealing with "militia" on a chunk of land in the middle of nowhere is not going to disrupt tourism so badly that the entire town will suffer.

If the townspeople really cared that much they would pressure Bundy to remove his cattle so the BLM can leave the area and be done with it.

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Another rancher grazing his cattle put this in, explaining the process of grazing cattle on BLM administered land:

http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/09/open-forum-there-are-other-ranchers-with-grazing-allotments-out-there/

End there's too. Don't make me start singing the tale of Minnie the Moocher.
Actually it sounds like there are law abiding people who legally use the ground. Maybe they should get togewther and have a little chat with this Bundy fellow...


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Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Too bad. Blame Bundy (hey thats catchy).

I thought it would be interesting to post that, showing how the process works to put cattle on the land. This is another reason I have no defense to offer for Bundy's actions. It's the people of the towns around there I feel bad for.

We had a similar issue near me. There is a small town based around a public park and a local Spa. The hotel/Spa decided 'Taxes are too high, we have been here forever, we simply won't pay them.' Pocketing millions of dollars in taxes for themselves.

The entire economy of the town was based around tourism for the spa. The owners continued to make profit, simply not pay taxes. They fought and fought and refused to pay taxes but no one wanted to shut down the Spa out of fear it would crush the town. People were whipped into a frenzy over 'Derterkerjerbs' and 'Government taxes, don't tread on me!' even though this spa is based upon using the natural public springs which are maintained by these taxes, along with schools and infrastructure (like the new courthouse which had to be built due to it burning down)

So after threatening the town, whipping them into a frenzy and getting them to fight battles, the owners took their money and ran. Literally closed the doors, had everything of value taken and abandon the place with the doors locked. people showed up to work and faced a locked door. Customers showed up for a week-long stay in a hotel/spa and found a closed hotel. They took their money and fled and did it in such a way to cause the greatest damage to the town and the supporters. Apparently they were also defaulting on their loans while pocketing cash so it was a double whammie, they had planned to default on loans and taxes and flee. If the government would have stepped in and sized things earlier, the people would have still had jobs and the reputation of the town wouldn't have been hurt and tourism destroyed. there could have been a transition and auction and a new owner. It would have been rough but not as bad as what happened.

It has been 6+ months, the spa still closed. They finally had a public auction and there is a new owner and the taxes are being dealt with but they now have to get the place back to functioning order and then hope they can make a profitable business. The town was manipulated into fighting the hotel's battles with false claims that it was oppression and in their interest and it was all lies. The people were not hurt because of the government and in this case, the in-action lead to worse consequences.

The town will survive, but lots of people feel like they were lied to and now see 'why taxes might be important' in an area which is all about 'this is mah land, no zoning, no taxes'

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Why don't the citizens form a posse, arrest Bundy and turn him over.

Or form a class action suit against him for wrecking the local economy.

I thought it would be interesting to post that, showing how the process works to put cattle on the land. This is another reason I have no defense to offer for Bundy's actions. It's the people of the towns around there I feel bad for.

not disagreeing with you there. They should actually be cheering on the feds and helping corral the errant cattle instead of being on his side.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Why don't the citizens form a posse, arrest Bundy and turn him over.

Or form a class action suit against him for wrecking the local economy.

Well this is the West. I was thinking more Lincoln County War style myself. Come on people. Entertain me!

 Frazzled wrote:

I thought it would be interesting to post that, showing how the process works to put cattle on the land. This is another reason I have no defense to offer for Bundy's actions. It's the people of the towns around there I feel bad for.

not disagreeing with you there. They should actually be cheering on the feds and helping corral the errant cattle instead of being on his side.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Feds kept the sledgehammer in the tool shed for over a decade. There has been opportunity after opportunity for this to be settled without any type of force. The reactions at the scene (people running their ATVs into workers, blocking them in, making threats, calling up "militias") make it seem like the amount of force and preparation that went into this operation was not exactly over the top.

One of the things people there are having a huge issue with is the timing. After 20 years, the government moves in during a part of the year when the Moapa valley makes most of it's money from tourism. They were just barely recovering from the park closures last year, and now this happens.

Why don't the citizens form a posse, arrest Bundy and turn him over.

Or form a class action suit against him for wrecking the local economy.

Well this is the West. I was thinking more Lincoln County War style myself. Come on people. Entertain me!

They're pretty close knit down in those towns and tend to circle the wagons to help and comfort each other in times of trouble, so it doesn't surprise me that this is playing out the way it is. I see that every time I go down to visit family. Ifsomeone has something bad happen to them, it isn't even a couple of hours before there's a huge group of people at their house, offering to do whatever they can.


I did like the county commissioner telling an armed group from Utah, "To quit the crazy talk and get their inbred asses back north." He also asked them if they had their funeral plans payed up.

So sheltering a grifter is ok with them?

You know if this was minecraft he'd be dead already...

 Frazzled wrote:
So sheltering a grifter is ok with them?

If you saw the town meeting videos, and read the editorials in the local news, you get a pretty good idea of the attitude at the moment. At a guess from what I've been told, it's falling into three groups: Those that support Bundy, those pissed at the Feds for shutting down thousands of acres and hurting the economy( memories of the park closures are playing into this), and those that are going, "What the hell, Bundy?"
The Nevada governor is now weighing in against the feds, it seems, but hasn't really done anything.



I hope the crazy crap outlined in this article doesn't pan out, because this could easily turn into a bloodbath if anyone mis calculates:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militias-route-bunkerville-nv-will-start-2nd-american-revolution/

Relapse wrote:


I hope the crazy crap outlined in this article doesn't pan out, because this could easily turn into a bloodbath if anyone mis calculates:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militias-route-bunkerville-nv-will-start-2nd-american-revolution/

If it does, it is more than justified... Those people taking up arms and violence based on a false premise know the result. Bundy will gladly whip them up into a frenzy and march them to their deaths from behind safe lines. That is his plan all along, to manipulate the poor and ignorant to think that the government is somehow oppressing them via proxy due to his illegal actions and they need to stand up for HIM before it happens to them.

If causing violence and getting some of his townfolk killed helps him out or saves him some money, he is fine with it. They are all expendable like his cows.

If this was in a city and the people were violent and armed, everyone involved would have been shot dead or already put in jail and no one would have blinked an eye.

nkelsch wrote:

Relapse wrote:


I hope the crazy crap outlined in this article doesn't pan out, because this could easily turn into a bloodbath if anyone mis calculates:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militias-route-bunkerville-nv-will-start-2nd-american-revolution/

If it does, it is more than justified... Those people taking up arms and violence based on a false premise know the result. Bundy will gladly whip them up into a frenzy and march them to their deaths from behind safe lines. That is his plan all along, to manipulate the poor and ignorant to think that the government is somehow oppressing them via proxy due to his illegal actions and they need to stand up for HIM before it happens to them.

If causing violence and getting some of his townfolk killed helps him out or saves him some money, he is fine with it. They are all expendable like his cows.

If this was in a city and the people were violent and armed, everyone involved would have been shot dead or already put in jail and no one would have blinked an eye.

I'm thinking you are wrong on your city premise, and you would realize that to if you were old enought to remember the LA riots or similar incidents.

Relapse wrote:



I'm thinking you are wrong on your city premise, and you would realize that to if you were old enough to remember the LA riots or similar incidents.

How so? The riots were an ignorant and unreasonable response to a bad situation. Was not at all 'the second US American revolution'. People were killing each other int he streets, looting, vandalizing for no reason. They were beating random people to death simply for being "not Black"(mostly latino and koreans were murdered by rioters) and they were 'mad'. I am perfectly old enough to remember those riots.

All those people were 'wrong' and force was used to arrest them and put those who were armed and violent 'down'. And while stopping the criminals, murderers and looters, they still allowed and help support peaceful rallies to happen. The government actually was able to arrest most people and most of the deaths were caused by murderers, not the government. overwhelming force by the government saved lives and was needed.

No one was defending the rioters, everyone was perfectly ok with the massive show of force used to stop the rioting and from a national standpoint it was a fully justified act and everyone went about their business. These 'militias' don't realize the latitude they are being given to even exist right now. if this was a city, the first hint of organization and arming themselves they would have all be arrested and the first sign of violence, shot dead. The fact they can ride around with their weapons, assault federal agents and mostly not even be charged or arrested shows amazing latitude for their bs. I still stand firm that if this was a dispute over city park land, and the armed, violent 'militia' who were assaulting federal officers were black, they would all be dead or in jail right now.

You are saying everyone would have been shot dead or arrested which is a huge overstatement, then you compund the error by playing a race card.
I do agree, however, that it is asnine to an extreme degree for these guys to be bringing in weapons and Bundy should tell everyone to go home before someone gets hurt.

I've got an outside bet going that Cliven Bundy (Still a silly name) will become the next M Bison.

"COWS"-M Bison

Relapse wrote:
You are saying everyone would have been shot dead or arrested which is a huge overstatement, then you compund the error by playing a race card.
I do agree, however, that it is asnine to an extreme degree for these guys to be bringing in weapons and Bundy should tell everyone to go home before someone gets hurt.

If they are violent and brandishing a weapon at authorities, in every other situation they will most likely be shot dead. This happens daily in our cities. No one questions a violent criminal assaulting authorities with deadly weapons. In the LA riots, most people were unarmed and murdering with their bare hands and mob attacks, so the police were simply arresting people. If those people were 'armed militias' they would have been put down to the man and no one would have blinked an eye because you simply don't take up arms and attack law enforcement.

Why these 'militias' feel they are different (and are being treated differently) is beyond me. Why they are not being immediately rounded up and arrested for violence and why those whoa re violent and armed are being allowed to 'continue' to be that and 'claim victory' by disengaging them instead of confronting them is not how regular people would be treated. If you were in a city, they wouldn't 'disengage' a violent and armed person, they would shoot them to death.

The federal officials in this situation *ARE* showing amazing restraint, and if they do have escalate their response, I feel it will be totally justified. They should make sure they have their wills in order before they decide to take up arms against the federal government.

To be fair to the good people of LA, washing their cars on their lunch breaks, the riots were sparked off when the LAPD squad who had been filmed beating the feth out of a black guy astonishingly managed to get acquitted.

Once the spark was lit, the forest fire pretty much burned out of control until it had consumed the available fuel.

In the Bundy case, the narrative is very different.

Relapse wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
So sheltering a grifter is ok with them?

If you saw the town meeting videos, and read the editorials in the local news, you get a pretty good idea of the attitude at the moment. At a guess from what I've been told, it's falling into three groups: Those that support Bundy, those pissed at the Feds for shutting down thousands of acres and hurting the economy( memories of the park closures are playing into this), and those that are going, "What the hell, Bundy?"
The Nevada governor is now weighing in against the feds, it seems, but hasn't really done anything.



I hope the crazy crap outlined in this article doesn't pan out, because this could easily turn into a bloodbath if anyone mis calculates:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militias-route-bunkerville-nv-will-start-2nd-american-revolution/

What could the Nevada governor do? Its federal land correct?


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I hope the crazy crap outlined in this article doesn't pan out, because this could easily turn into a bloodbath if anyone mis calculates:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militias-route-bunkerville-nv-will-start-2nd-american-revolution/

If they take up arms against the State, especially when they are in the wrong, they should be treated like the traitors they are at that point.

And another lovely example from LA is Christopher Dorner. He took up arms against police and it did not end well for that man. Not well at all.