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 Kilkrazy wrote:
If I were the BLM I would wait a couple of weeks until the militia have to go home.

Looks like you were right on this.

 Ouze wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
You know, it's funny that certain people celebrate this because Bundy and his supporters (wrongfully) stood up to the government while threatening violence because they see it as a free exercise of their rights as citizens and at the same time decry people engaging in peaceful protest (in an exercise of their first amendment rights) in favor of a better living wage.

Truly, America is the shining light of freedom in an otherwise dark world.

Too bad these guys hadn't said they were also standing up to wall street, the police would have moved in with pepper spray and flashbangs to the resounding cheers of the same people decrying their jackbooted tactics here.

In any event, now this guys neighbors, who presumably dislike taxation, will be paying a little extra from now on. The Bundy tax, to cover the costs of what he hasn't and won't pay, along with the costs of this aborted roundup.

People are taking up a collection to pay his fines, from what I've been told.

To tell the truth, the BLM was brainless when they tore up the watering troughs and took them out. Some of the few places where the cattle were certain to gather and be easy to round up in the middle of the desert and they remove them. Brilliant


I wonder now what is going to happen in Texas with the ranchers there that are dealing with the government land grab.

Relapse wrote:
People are taking up a collection to pay his fines, from what I've been told.

You know, my personal property taxes are due next month, but I don't think I should have to pay them because of a completely irrelevant and arbitrary reason. I'll just not pay them for two decades and when they finally come to take my stuff, I'll hole in my garage with my guns and call a couple of my friends to come over and bring their guns and declare a Cul-de-sac War on the feds. Hopefully, after enough threats they'll just leave me alone and my neighbors can pay all the money I owe.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Relapse wrote:

We can only hope this image is called: Mantits of freedom.

So does this mean we have to actually deal with more idiots like this popping up? Please don't let it be so...

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Relapse wrote:
People are taking up a collection to pay his fines, from what I've been told.

You know, my personal property taxes are due next month, but I don't think I should have to pay them because of a completely irrelevant and arbitrary reason. I'll just not pay them for two decades and when they finally come to take my stuff, I'll hole in my garage with my guns and call a couple of my friends to come over and bring their guns and declare a Cul-de-sac War on the feds. Hopefully, after enough threats they'll just leave me alone and my neighbors can pay all the money I owe.

Relapse wrote:

Whatever, Scooty. It is impacting the area financialy, no matter what you try to say.

I don't see why I should care about the minuscule economy of a region that would be flyover were it not for the presence of natural tourist attractions maintained by the federal government.

I wonder how the situation in Texas is going to play out. It seems like the ranchers there, unlike Bundy,have a legitimate claim.


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 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Whatever, Scooty. It is impacting the area financialy, no matter what you try to say.

I don't see why I should care about the minuscule economy of a region that would be flyover were it not for the presence of natural tourist attractions maintained by the federal government.

You've stated multiple times in posts over the years that you don't care about what happens to other people, so this pronouncement comes as no surprise


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Bundy just got his cattle released.

Relapse wrote:

You've stated multiple times in posts over the years that you don't care about what happens to other people, so this pronouncement comes as no surprise

Let me put it differently:

Per your argument much of the region's economic activity is based on tourism associated with natural attractions. These attractions are on federal land, and maintained by the federal government. As such, the federal government is essentially subsidizing the region. This means that opposition to BLM actions is biting the hand that feeds, in a "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" sort of way.

A link from towards the end of the standoff:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/12/federal-agency-pulls-back-in-nevada-ranch-standoff-but-legal-fight-remains/

The sheriff in the area I am told is a joke. He just bothered to show on the scene today, when every thing is winding down.

It's a federal matter is it not?
Why would the sheriff need to be involved? Is he not a county or state official?

 purplefood wrote:
It's a federal matter is it not?
Why would the sheriff need to be involved? Is he not a county or state official?

Sheriffs come in on situations like this to protect the people and try to calm things by having a familiar face. The word going around about him in that area now is that he's a disgrace and a cowardly son of a bitch that didn't dare show his face until things were winding down today. Some of this talk comes from other sherriffs around the area.

Relapse wrote:
The word going around about him in that area now is that he's a disgrace and a cowardly son of a bitch that didn't dare show his face until things were winding down. Some of this talk comes from other sherriffs around the area.

First thing I thought of.

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The word going around about him in that area now is that he's a disgrace and a cowardly son of a bitch that didn't dare show his face until things were winding down. Some of this talk comes from other sherriffs around the area.

First thing I thought of.

Good 'un!




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Bundy's supporters going to recover his cattle:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3XZQVs6MUWY&feature=youtu.be

 purplefood wrote:
It's a federal matter is it not?
Why would the sheriff need to be involved? Is he not a county or state official?

Lets say you are the owner of a fast food franchise. The CEO of the company decides he wants to show up and start directing how things are done in your store.

Would you just sit in your house, and do nothing? I doubt it.

Is it not possible that the sheriff had more pressing matters to attend to?

 djones520 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It's a federal matter is it not?
Why would the sheriff need to be involved? Is he not a county or state official?

Lets say you are the owner of a fast food franchise. The CEO of the company decides he wants to show up and start directing how things are done in your store.

Would you just sit in your house, and do nothing? I doubt it.

That is a horrible analogy.

He has never legally owned that land and even admits that, something Info Wars and other right-wing news sources tend to leave out. That land has always been the property of the government and he had been under a grazing lease until the BLM changed some conditions in 1993 and he didn't like it. Add a couple of court case, tons of money he owes, threats of militia violence, and fast forward to today.

Relapse wrote:

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Bundy's supporters going to recover his cattle:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3XZQVs6MUWY&feature=youtu.be

Good, once the trespassing cattle are removed from federal land, the federal government can begin seizing Bundy's personal assets for the 1.1million dollars he now owes. If you or I owed 1.1mil in taxes and fees, we would be in jail with Wesley Snipes while they liquidate everything we own. The same should happen to him and his family.

Sooner his personal assets are seized to cover his debts, the better.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Is it not possible that the sheriff had more pressing matters to attend to?

More pressing than heading off a major shootout involving hundreds of people?

Out of state sheriffs were coming in to calm tempers because they were disgusted with the way the local sheriff was being a non entity. From whay I hear, they did a lot in keeping the situation from boiling over.

Relapse wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Is it not possible that the sheriff had more pressing matters to attend to?

More pressing than a major shootout involving hundreds of people?

He should be working roadblocks at the state borders arresting people illegally transporting firearms across state lines for illegal purposes and stopping these militia members and putting them in chains as they enter the state.

nkelsch wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Is it not possible that the sheriff had more pressing matters to attend to?

More pressing than a major shootout involving hundreds of people?

He should be working roadblocks at the state borders arresting people illegally transporting firearms across state lines for illegal purposes and stopping these militia members and putting them in chains as they enter the state.

He wasn't even doing that. He was no where to be seen from what people there tell me.


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Looks like the BLM got their hands slapped by a judge at least once playing this game:

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/11/court-rebuffs-government-overreach-in-nevada/

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It's a federal matter is it not?
Why would the sheriff need to be involved? Is he not a county or state official?

Lets say you are the owner of a fast food franchise. The CEO of the company decides he wants to show up and start directing how things are done in your store.

Would you just sit in your house, and do nothing? I doubt it.

That is a horrible analogy.

He has never legally owned that land and even admits that, something Info Wars and other right-wing news sources tend to leave out. That land has always been the property of the government and he had been under a grazing lease until the BLM changed some conditions in 1993 and he didn't like it. Add a couple of court case, tons of money he owes, threats of militia violence, and fast forward to today.

Some folks have reading comprehension issues it seems...

We were discussing why the Sheriff hadn't been present to the site where a large build up of armed federal agents had been present. The Sheriff is responsible for law enforcement in the county. Even if it is a Federal matter, he should have been present to keep oversight of his jurisdiction. When something this big is going down in your back yard, you don't wait until a week later to make an appearance for the news cameras.

He has no jurisdiction...

 d-usa wrote:
He has no jurisdiction...

Yes... this is a Federal matter. That has been made clear time and time again.

If you guys are absolutely cool with the local law enforcement being completely hands off on the matter, then that is your thing.

I for one see it as being rather irresponsible myself.

Bundy may be the short term winner, but no one is a long term winner.

 WarOne wrote:
Bundy may be the short term winner, but no one is a long term winner.

It was ugly all around, alright. I hope that the ranchers in Texas are helped by this, somehow.

I'm guessing the Obama administration didn't want to be tied to a Ruby Ridge / Waco style blunder - especially going into the mid-term elections.

 Breotan wrote:
I'm guessing the Obama administration didn't want to be tied to a Ruby Ridge / Waco style blunder - especially going into the mid-term elections.

November 5th, 2014

 Ouze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'm guessing the Obama administration didn't want to be tied to a Ruby Ridge / Waco style blunder - especially going into the mid-term elections.

November 5th, 2014

Needs more dakka.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I'm guessing the Obama administration didn't want to be tied to a Ruby Ridge / Waco style blunder - especially going into the mid-term elections.

November 5th, 2014

Needs more dakka.

For a police vehicle?
What kind of criminals does the police face, that it needs weapons like that?
Such weapons should be reserved solely for the army, not law enforcement.
Law enforcement should only use weapons as the very last resort, and for that it does not need tanks.