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 d-usa wrote:
Isn't the National Guard lost alot?

They sure were in a documentary I saw once.

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
For me, it's the methods and timing of the BLM and now the way evryone seems to be willing to give them a pass.
I don't think anyone here supports Bundy for staying on the land. .

We keep saying this. Yeah, he's wrong, but... but nothing, really. And the BLM has had infinite fething patience with him. He's been pulling this gak since the Clinton administration, since before Carl on The Walking Dead was born. When the protestors are kicking police dogs and obstructing justice, and no ones even been arrested, I don't want to hear about how heavy handed the government has been.

They were then being filmed. Before that, they weren't shy about trying to restrict people to "1st ammendment zones" or jepordizing the area's livlihood by shutting down ridiculous amounts of land that had nothing to do with the cattle drive. Their incompetence in ripping out the watering troughs, eliminating areas where cattle would automatically gather together in the middle of that desert, making it easy to round them up, was incredible to me.

Relapse wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
For me, it's the methods and timing of the BLM and now the way evryone seems to be willing to give them a pass.
I don't think anyone here supports Bundy for staying on the land. .

We keep saying this. Yeah, he's wrong, but... but nothing, really. And the BLM has had infinite fething patience with him. He's been pulling this gak since the Clinton administration, since before Carl on The Walking Dead was born. When the protestors are kicking police dogs and obstructing justice, and no ones even been arrested, I don't want to hear about how heavy handed the government has been.

They were then being filmed. Before that, they weren't shy about trying to restrict people to "1st ammendment zones" or jepordizing the area's livlihood by shutting down ridiculous amounts of land that had nothing to do with the cattle drive. Their incompetence in ripping out the watering troughs, eliminating areas where cattle would automatically gather together in the middle of that desert, making it easy to round them up, was incredible to me.

The police had every right to pull out their guns and shoot the idiots that kicked the dog. So no, they were not heavy handed at all.

And again, none of that would have happened if some idiot wouldn't have spend the last 20 years being an idiot.

I've agreed previously and continue to agree the very concept of "first amendment zones" are offensive and ridiculous. On that, at least, there is consensus.

I agree with you about Bundy. It's the needless suffering they put on everyone else around him and what they propose to do in Texas I take issue with.

Relapse wrote:
I agree with you about Bundy. It's the needless suffering they put on everyone else around him...

Bundy put the needless suffering on everyone else around him.

I don't blame the fire department if some idiot runs a meth lab and it catches on fire and they have to block the street while fighting the fire and I can't get home.

As a connoisseur of fine analogies, I tip my my hat to you.

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I agree with you about Bundy. It's the needless suffering they put on everyone else around him...

Bundy put the needless suffering on everyone else around him.

I don't blame the fire department if some idiot runs a meth lab and it catches on fire and they have to block the street while fighting the fire and I can't get home.

I disagree with the analogy because when there is a fire, there has to be immediate response. Here, the situation dragged for 20 years and could have been allowed to go another couple of months, letting the businesses in the area benifit from a peak tourist time. They had already suffered and were just starting to recover from when the parks were closed.
To use your analogy, however, when they tore out the troughs, making it far more difficult to round up the cattle, it was equivalent to the fire fighters deciding to cut the water pressure on the hoses and potentially drawing out the situation.

Relapse wrote:
I disagree with the analogy because when there is a fire, there has to be immediate response. Here, the situation dragged for 20 years and could have been allowed to go another couple of months, letting the businesses in the area benifit from a peak tourist time.

This is a legitimate argument. This, I can agree with. I know the argument about whether or not tourism is a big deal or not in that area was a fact in dispute and I don't know enough to weigh in on it but, presupposing that's true, it's compelling. I'm sure they have to service the sewer lines at Disneyworld, but they don't necessarily need to do them on July 4th, for example.

I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

 d-usa wrote:
I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

To be fair, his justification was that his family was there first.

Now let us find some Indians that were there first and then have them graze some cattle on his property.

 d-usa wrote:
I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

I now have this image in my mind of the buch of us sitting at a circus watching a clown show going on with Bundy, center stage as pratfalls abound throughout.

Betcha this gets turned into a movie, though, with latger than life heroes and villains.


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 WarOne wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

To be fair, his justification was that his family was there first.

Now let us find some Indians that were there first and then have them graze some cattle on his property.

Which Indians though, because they also dispute with each other.


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 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I disagree with the analogy because when there is a fire, there has to be immediate response. Here, the situation dragged for 20 years and could have been allowed to go another couple of months, letting the businesses in the area benifit from a peak tourist time.

This is a legitimate argument. This, I can agree with. I know the argument about whether or not tourism is a big deal or not in that area was a fact in dispute and I don't know enough to weigh in on it but, presupposing that's true, it's compelling. I'm sure they have to service the sewer lines at Disneyworld, but they don't necessarily need to do them on July 4th, for example.

Relapse wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

To be fair, his justification was that his family was there first.

Now let us find some Indians that were there first and then have them graze some cattle on his property.

Which Indians though, because they also dispute with each other.

Just ask Frazzled, he should have watched them go past his cave when they first settled.

 d-usa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I agree that there are idiot decisions being made. Such as free speech zones and screw ups during the round up.

None of which would have happened if the main idiot would have followed the rules.

To be fair, his justification was that his family was there first.

Now let us find some Indians that were there first and then have them graze some cattle on his property.

Which Indians though, because they also dispute with each other.

Just ask Frazzled, he should have watched them go past his cave when they first settled.

I thought he was busy domesticating feral Weiner Dogs at the time

 Ouze wrote:

We keep saying this. Yeah, he's wrong, but... but nothing, really.

But his case is libertarian!

Circle the wagons!

If this guy wants to claim "ancestral rights" I think some natives were first in line.

 easysauce wrote:
If this guy wants to claim "ancestral rights" I think some natives were first in line.

And maybe some dinosaurs from Jurassic Park.

Beef prices gone up yet?

A friend of mine drove through that on the way back from Disneyland on Saturday and told me there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.
My sister was in the middle of it taking pictures and said the same thing.

Relapse wrote:
there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.

I hope that doesn't "impact the regions economy"

Now I realize the only mistake OWS made was not being heavily armed. If they had been, the police would have let them break whatever laws they like and they would have been heroes.

Evidently so. Maybe next time the Man should just bring out a firetruck and spray everyone with water.

Whoa now. Them there Ranchers look serious. From what I've seen there's no good looking female in need of a soaking from water cannon along that highway.

'Murica.

Enough said.

So you just come in swinging with the 'America is ridiculous' point in multiple threads, without adding anything useful? Good job

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.

I hope that doesn't "impact the regions economy"

They drove out the BLM, so I guess it did, in a good way!

Relapse wrote:

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.

I hope that doesn't "impact the regions economy"

They drove out the BLM, so I guess it did, in a good way!

Fabulous, and now they slow down traffic. I wonder how that will help the region.

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.

I hope that doesn't "impact the regions economy"

They drove out the BLM, so I guess it did, in a good way!

Fabulous, and now they slow down traffic. I wonder how that will help the region.

If they hadn't done what they did, the BLM still would have been down there messing with the area.

Relapse wrote:

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Minx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
there were gak loads of people on all sides of I15 with just about any kind of gun you could imagine.
It took him 4 hours to go from Vegas to Mesquite, a drive which usually only takes about an hour. The mass of people in the area really slowed things down.

I hope that doesn't "impact the regions economy"

They drove out the BLM, so I guess it did, in a good way!

Fabulous, and now they slow down traffic. I wonder how that will help the region.

If they hadn't done what they did, the BLM still would have been down there messing with the area.

No, without interference the whole problem would have been solved much faster. Instead the BLM or some other law enforcement organisation have to come back and inconvenience everyone anew.

Relapse wrote:
If they hadn't done what they did, the BLM still would have been down there messing with the area.

Don't you mean "enforcing a lawful court order"?