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No IEDs, but Harry Reid is pretty involved. There's a reason people around the world question the US governments integrity. Bundy ranch isnt about tortoises or allegedly unpaid fees. It's about Harry Reid raising his personal wealth:
But do we have any evidence that Reid actually exercised that influence in the agency to get what he wanted? Well that brings us to claim number three: Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project, but the BLM has since removed the page. The website that made this claim posted a screen shot split into two files and a link to a text version of the page that someone had copied. This is pretty weak. Though it does seem to match the overall narrative here, this would never be admissible in court. But let's dig a little deeper shall we. What if there is a version of the site cached somewhere on the web? Let's try the way back machine on archive.org. Nope, no dice, the page was never cached on way back machine. Let's try google's cache... BINGO! Here it is folks. This is google's record of what used to be on the site.
"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"
They specifically referred to the solar project as a justification to seize Cliven Bundy's cattle.
Funny thing, we found the mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy zone, and guess who wrote it? That would be the BLM. Pretty convenient, for Harry Reid isn't it?
Now I took a screen shot of the Google cache right away. As I'm compiling this information I go back and I look at it again an hour later and what do you know, somebody came and took the cached version down. Somebody is trying to cover this thing up and fast. But you know what, they missed one. I found this cached version of the page on archive.is. If you follow the link in the description to our website SCG News.com you'll find a direct link to this page. I highly recommend that each and every one of you go and verify its contents for yourself before someone has it taken down.
Click here to view the cached version of the page that the BLM was desperately trying to hide.
Or click here to get to that link from another path.
But even if they take this last link down they left trail. Google's server logs will still have a record of the exact date their cached snap shot was taken, chances are they still have that snap shot, and you know what? Even if someone tried to erase it completely, with modern technology It is very easy for forensic technicians to recover data like this even if it seems to be deleted from the system. The digital trace is still there. The BLM's servers and every computer involved also have a trail, and trying to remove that trail would leave an even bigger trail.
Spacemanvic wrote: No IEDs, but Harry Reid is pretty involved. There's a reason people around the world question the US governments integrity:
But do we have any evidence that Reid actually exercised that influence in the agency to get what he wanted? Well that brings us to claim number three: Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project, but the BLM has since removed the page. The website that made this claim posted a screen shot split into two files and a link to a text version of the page that someone had copied. This is pretty weak. Though it does seem to match the overall narrative here, this would never be admissible in court. But let's dig a little deeper shall we. What if there is a version of the site cached somewhere on the web? Let's try the way back machine on archive.org. Nope, no dice, the page was never cached on way back machine. Let's try google's cache... BINGO! Here it is folks. This is google's record of what used to be on the site.
"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"
They specifically referred to the solar project as a justification to seize Cliven Bundy's cattle.
Funny thing, we found the mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy zone, and guess who wrote it? That would be the BLM. Pretty convenient, for Harry Reid isn't it?
Now I took a screen shot of the Google cache right away. As I'm compiling this information I go back and I look at it again an hour later and what do you know, somebody came and took the cached version down. Somebody is trying to cover this thing up and fast. But you know what, they missed one. I found this cached version of the page on archive.is. If you follow the link in the description to our website SCG News.com you'll find a direct link to this page. I highly recommend that each and every one of you go and verify its contents for yourself before someone has it taken down.
Click here to view the cached version of the page that the BLM was desperately trying to hide.
Or click here to get to that link from another path.
But even if they take this last link down they left trail. Google's server logs will still have a record of the exact date their cached snap shot was taken, chances are they still have that snap shot, and you know what? Even if someone tried to erase it completely, with modern technology It is very easy for forensic technicians to recover data like this even if it seems to be deleted from the system. The digital trace is still there. The BLM's servers and every computer involved also have a trail, and trying to remove that trail would leave an even bigger trail.
And what part of this, if any, suddenly makes the cattle legal?
Did part of Bundy land get federalized for tortoise? GOT THE SPELLING DOWN!!!
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Spacemanvic wrote: No IEDs, but Harry Reid is pretty involved. There's a reason people around the world question the US governments integrity:
But do we have any evidence that Reid actually exercised that influence in the agency to get what he wanted? Well that brings us to claim number three: Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project, but the BLM has since removed the page. The website that made this claim posted a screen shot split into two files and a link to a text version of the page that someone had copied. This is pretty weak. Though it does seem to match the overall narrative here, this would never be admissible in court. But let's dig a little deeper shall we. What if there is a version of the site cached somewhere on the web? Let's try the way back machine on archive.org. Nope, no dice, the page was never cached on way back machine. Let's try google's cache... BINGO! Here it is folks. This is google's record of what used to be on the site.
"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"
They specifically referred to the solar project as a justification to seize Cliven Bundy's cattle.
Funny thing, we found the mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy zone, and guess who wrote it? That would be the BLM. Pretty convenient, for Harry Reid isn't it?
Now I took a screen shot of the Google cache right away. As I'm compiling this information I go back and I look at it again an hour later and what do you know, somebody came and took the cached version down. Somebody is trying to cover this thing up and fast. But you know what, they missed one. I found this cached version of the page on archive.is. If you follow the link in the description to our website SCG News.com you'll find a direct link to this page. I highly recommend that each and every one of you go and verify its contents for yourself before someone has it taken down.
Click here to view the cached version of the page that the BLM was desperately trying to hide.
Or click here to get to that link from another path.
But even if they take this last link down they left trail. Google's server logs will still have a record of the exact date their cached snap shot was taken, chances are they still have that snap shot, and you know what? Even if someone tried to erase it completely, with modern technology It is very easy for forensic technicians to recover data like this even if it seems to be deleted from the system. The digital trace is still there. The BLM's servers and every computer involved also have a trail, and trying to remove that trail would leave an even bigger trail.
And what part of this, if any, suddenly makes the cattle legal?
Considering all the BS going on in this story, How do you know the charges against bundy are legit
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I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
You cant know the charges are legit. This government has lost a certain amount of credibility. I think people are coming around to the idea they've had enough. If OWS had any legitimacy, they may have reached that point first.
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I'm with Space somewhat Well i think we're in the same lane. If the land was federalized for the Desert Tortoise then why is it being re-tasked for the Solar Panel Factory. Wait. Is that at another place or same area?
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Jihadin wrote: I'm with Space somewhat Well i think we're in the same lane. If the land was federalized for the Desert Tortoise then why is it being re-tasked for the Solar Panel Factory. Wait. Is that at another place or same area?
They want to relocate the tortoise to bundies place
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Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
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I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
18 points of how the illegal cattle has impacted the area.
One single point is "an NGO is worried that it might impact the mitigation strategy of the environmental impact of a Solar Energy Zone".
None of the 18 points change the fact that they are illegal cattle and that Bundy has convinced large amount of idiots to break the law for him and to assault cops.
People want to hate the government so badly, that they become unreasonable. That doesn't make the government look bad, it just makes the supporters look like idiots.
You cannot handle the Desert Tortoise For if you pick them up they will pee themselves thereby they might stand a very good chance of dying of dehydration. No lie. We have the same thing at NTC. A huge desert expanse where armor track vehicles rolling all over the place doing combat exercises.
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Jihadin wrote: You cannot handle the Desert Tortoise For if you pick them up they will pee themselves thereby they might stand a very good chance of dying of dehydration. No lie. We have the same thing at NTC. A huge desert expanse where armor track vehicles rolling all over the place doing combat exercises.
Well it was from the BLM pdf I linked earlier page 36 I think.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
This whole incident a goat rope, steaming poo pile, soup sandwich, ate up from the floor up, and/or fingerpucked 20 ways to Sunday.
I'm siding with Bundy. He's like my little version of OWS
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If you hit a freaking cow in broad daylight then you need not be driving.
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Well it is a state he is massively involved in, so just about anything large will involve him. Just because he isn't liked on a national level doesn't mean that the feelings on the state level are the same.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
whembly wrote: Huh? I thought the whole Solar Power thingy was debunked (as it was shelved).
O.o
This is ANOTHER project Reid is involved in.
Truncated video, boiled down to the important parts. At least give it a view before commenting, asking for intellectual honesty here gang. Leave your Left/Right leanings at the door, give this a tumble Start at the 4:22 mark, seems that youtube clipping isnt working in this forum:
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I don't give a feth what illegally trespassing cattle get in the way off. They are still illegally trespassing cattle.
That's the issue that gets ignored. But I guess we are fine with criminals as long as they get in the way of something or someone we don't like...
As an aside, arguing this issue on a more "interesting" gun related sight has brought out the militia types. Their argument is essentially: all the courts represent the federal government, and that the federal government is out to get us. Thanks OBAMA! Its difficult to argue when basic assumptions like "is the US government legitimate" are disputed.
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So Bundy exposing ccorruption in BLM? Maybe a heft amount of personnel gain and interest of family members and politicians?
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Spacemanvic wrote: You cant know the charges are legit. This government has lost a certain amount of credibility. I think people are coming around to the idea they've had enough. If OWS had any legitimacy, they may have reached that point first.
So what. H wasn't paying the fees. His cattle are tresspassing.
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Spacemanvic wrote: You cant know the charges are legit. This government has lost a certain amount of credibility. I think people are coming around to the idea they've had enough. If OWS had any legitimacy, they may have reached that point first.
So what. He wasn't paying the fees. His cattle are tresspassing.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Spacemanvic wrote: You cant know the charges are legit. This government has lost a certain amount of credibility. I think people are coming around to the idea they've had enough. If OWS had any legitimacy, they may have reached that point first.
So what. H wasn't paying the fees. His cattle are tresspassing.
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Spacemanvic wrote: You cant know the charges are legit. This government has lost a certain amount of credibility. I think people are coming around to the idea they've had enough. If OWS had any legitimacy, they may have reached that point first.
So what. He wasn't paying the fees. His cattle are tresspassing.
If the fees aren't legit, he doesn't owe them a dollar
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If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
whembly wrote: Um... the OWS pretty much had their way during the protest. They wouldn't leave.
At least some cities had OWS sites torn apart by riot police and tear gas/water canons used on people.
Apparently OWS's failing was prioritizing construction of a library instead of an armoury.
Guess they didn't get far enough along the tech tree...
But having read through this, I'm surprised how many people are okay with people breaking the law as long as they're heavily armed enough to give law enforcement cause for concern. Like... that's the exact opposite of okay in my opinion.
Hopefully some others are correct and a bunch of people end up arrested (for completely legit reasons and with thoroughly documented evidence) for doing absolutely ridiculous stuff like threatening people with firearms and whatnot.
It doesn't matter how mean they're being, this was started by someone breaking the law, and having a bunch of buddies show up with guns doesn't make those actions any less illegal.
Jihadin wrote: If you hit a freaking cow in broad daylight then you need not be driving.
If you hit a cow, you wouldn't be driving again. They'll feth up your ride.
Ayah, a full grown hefer is a big mamma. They'll destroy both the car and you.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I'm going to go ahead and assume that they are legit.
To do otherwise would mean that I am putting my faith in people that post 18 examples of how the cattle is causing problems only to ignore 17 of the examples that they just posted.
