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 d-usa wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and assume that they are legit.

To do otherwise would mean that I am putting my faith in people that post 18 examples of how the cattle is causing problems only to ignore 17 of the examples that they just posted.

To do otherwise would throw your argument to pieces.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and assume that they are legit.

To do otherwise would mean that I am putting my faith in people that post 18 examples of how the cattle is causing problems only to ignore 17 of the examples that they just posted.

To do otherwise would throw your argument to pieces.

Says the man so paranoid that he ignores his own links.

 Frazzled wrote:
Some places should never be fought for. Chernobyl, the Sahara Desert, New Mexico, Hobokken. Nevada?

Hey now, Texan, learn your history. Your state has yet to successfully defeat mine throughout your lackluster invasion history.

 d-usa wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and assume that they are legit.

To do otherwise would mean that I am putting my faith in people that post 18 examples of how the cattle is causing problems only to ignore 17 of the examples that they just posted.

To do otherwise would throw your argument to pieces.

Says the man so paranoid that he ignores his own links.

So, you think this government has NEVER lied before or hid things? At all?

WOW, I guess ignorance IS bliss.

If the government is doing it then its going to skewer everything into its favor.

Example be EPA trying to enforce two barracks full of soldiers to move one hundred meters away from a nesting Wood Cockaded Woodpecker at Ft Bragg. Before the birds got comfy the tree was removed at Oh Dark thirty something

Oh Wait

FAA trying to close down Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan being the emergency response vehicles were not enough to handle a airfield accident. Let's ignore the fact we're getting rockets, mortars, and insurgent attacks on the Airfield itself

 mr_bruno wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Some places should never be fought for. Chernobyl, the Sahara Desert, New Mexico, Hobokken. Nevada?

Hey now, Texan, learn your history. Your state has yet to successfully defeat mine throughout your lackluster invasion history.

This is true. New Mexico has the advantage of being a true deathworld. Even Texans die off there.

I rememebr the expense between Texas and Artesia. Miles and miles of rolling empty with buzzards. It was...otherworldly. I just knew that if the car broke down we were going to die.

New Mexico, the only land Aussie killer drop bears fear to tread.

There has been zero proof that they lied about him not paying, considering that he admits that he hasn't paid.

And also admits he does not accept that the USA exists as a legal entity. When you're saying that, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAY IS COWCHIPS.

The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

 Jihadin wrote:
The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

Considering it is Federal Land, and that there is an actual Federal Government, and that the state is part of that system, the whole argument it pants on head.

 d-usa wrote:
There has been zero proof that they lied about him not paying, considering that he admits that he hasn't paid.

He maintains he should be paying Nevada state. And has repeatedly tried to do so.

I think we're not seeing the full scope of this.

 Jihadin wrote:
I think we're not seeing the full scope of this.

I said way back in this thread, theres something fishy going on.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

Considering it is Federal Land, and that there is an actual Federal Government, and that the state is part of that system, the whole argument it pants on head.

Exactly. If you don't recognize the federal government you're either a foreign alien or a traitor. Choose carefully. The gallows awaits.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

Considering it is Federal Land, and that there is an actual Federal Government, and that the state is part of that system, the whole argument it pants on head.

Exactly. If you don't recognize the federal government you're either a foreign alien or a traitor. Choose carefully. The gallows awaits.

I heard Texas wanted out of the union.

 loki old fart wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
There has been zero proof that they lied about him not paying, considering that he admits that he hasn't paid.

He maintains he should be paying Nevada state. And has repeatedly tried to do so.

Its not state land. he knows it, Nevada said it. he's a joke and he's lying. its like me saying "well I tried to pay income taxes to the Confederate States of America. Its not my fault they wouldn't give me the correct mailing address or cash my checks der der derp."

Bogus.

 loki old fart wrote:
I heard Texas wanted out of the union.

They are the rug that really holds the place together. They ain't going nowhere.

 loki old fart wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

Considering it is Federal Land, and that there is an actual Federal Government, and that the state is part of that system, the whole argument it pants on head.

Exactly. If you don't recognize the federal government you're either a foreign alien or a traitor. Choose carefully. The gallows awaits.

I heard Texas wanted out of the union.

Such a yankee. You heard incorrectly. We wanted you out of the nation of Greater Texas. You still haven't accepted our peaceful annexation of your country in 1845. learn to sing the Yellow Rose and get over it already.

Texas, the only nation in the world who's theme song is named after a famous "entertainment specialist."

If they leave they convert over to Mexico in about 50 years. Border has holes in it like window screen

Yes but we eat well.

"The British in India will be slaughtered. Then we will overrun the Moslems and force their "Allah" to bow to Kali. And then the Hebrew God will fall and finally the Christian God will be cast down and forgotten."
- Genghis Connie, on plans for the summer. 8th in her class you progs!

Texas becomes a Bio Hazard area

 Frazzled wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
The "Federal Government" Frazz He does not recognize the Federal Government He stop paying grazing rights to the feds being he started trying to pay the State the fee Went FUBAR at that point.

Considering it is Federal Land, and that there is an actual Federal Government, and that the state is part of that system, the whole argument it pants on head.

Exactly. If you don't recognize the federal government you're either a foreign alien or a traitor. Choose carefully. The gallows awaits.

I heard Texas wanted out of the union.

Such a yankee. You heard incorrectly. We wanted you out of the nation of Greater Texas. You still haven't accepted our peaceful annexation of your country in 1845. learn to sing the Yellow Rose and get over it already.

Texas, the only nation in the world who's theme song is named after a famous "entertainment specialist."

I already know the words to the yellow rose of Texas, heard elvis sing it often enough.

 loki old fart wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
There has been zero proof that they lied about him not paying, considering that he admits that he hasn't paid.

He maintains he should be paying Nevada state. And has repeatedly tried to do so.

So if I say "screw the IRS" and try to send money to the Oklahoma Tax Commission they shouldn't be able to touch me?

 Jihadin wrote:
Texas becomes a Bio Hazard area

Wait, its not now? Have you been to Killeen? There be dragons!

 Jihadin wrote:
Texas becomes a Bio Hazard area

With all the Queso Cheese, Beer, BBQ... and cows.

Surprised?

So dragons blowing fire from both ends eh

Gotta say, I'm agreeing with Fraz on this one. If you're on Federal land and you're not paying due to not being happy with how the system works you shouldn't really be surprised when the Feds roll over to tell you to stop it. You don't get to pick and choose what laws to follow.

Wow, this thread has taken a decidedly tin-foil hat turn since I last checked in...

Let's recap, shall we?

No, the land was not "federalized" for the tortoise. It was and always has been property of the United States government as per the stipulations of Nevada's entrance to the Union. He claims he has rights to his land because he ancestors ranched there in the 1870s. That's fine and dandy, but the state of Nevada entered the Union on October 31, 1864 (Nevada Day!). It was at this time that all “unappropriated land” became property of the federal government, as written in the Nevada State Constitution that was approved by voters, including the land he is laying claim to. Of course, the ridiculous claim he has in "believing in the sovereignty of the State of Nevada" while at the same time not even "recognizing the Federal Government as existing," directly contradicts the Nevada State Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

He had a grazing lease with the BLM until they changed the conditions in 1993 (to have less than 150 cattle on the land) after the desert tortoise was placed on the list of federally protected species. He refused to do so and the BLM canceled his grazing lease. He took them to court and lost, disputed that ruling and lost again. Whether you like them or not, the BLM has exhausted every possible avenue to remove the cattle short of removing it themselves. In 2012, he was informed that the BLM would remove the cattle from the land and was ordered by the court not to interfere with the removal. He was also notified by the BLM that he could collect his cattle after they were removed from public lands. It was at this time that Bundy began threatening the BLM and its contractors with violence through a "range war." It is also worthy to note that at no time during any of the original legal proceedings regarding his cattle or the grazing lease, did he ever claim ancestry ownership of the land in question. There had also been issue wither overgrazing on this allotment before the entire thing started in 1993.

Here is the 2012 injunction against Bundy to again remove his cattle if you care to read it: https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/bundy-document-19-2-pdf.6859/

Another item of note:
If you get past your paranoia and read the PDF document, it specifically states that the area where the untagged, unbranded illegal cattle are grazing is to be kept the way it is as a response to the ecological impact the now-shelved solar array would have made to its location, which is not the land in question. Also, since the government owns and maintains the land in question, if they really wanted to use the land for mining, fracking, build a solar array, or another nonsensical thing has been flying around the internet, they could go ahead and do no matter what.

 Spacemanvic wrote:
It makes the governments actions very questionable, heavy handed, unethical and beyond the scope of their original mandate. Tyrannical in many ways.

Ignoring the hyperbole, what part of that article indicates that the BLM extended beyond its original mandate?

Also, even Fox News has "debunked" any Reid-BLM-Chinese solar farm-former staffer conspiracy: http://www.newsmax.com/US/Dana-Perino-Harry-Reid-son-debunked/2014/04/15/id/565825/