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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

The Treeman will probably be relatively small, I'm guessing 6" will include all those branches sticking out if it's head and given those branches are probably 20-25% of it's height, it's probably around the 4.5 to 5" mark. If it's as big as I think it is, at least in Australia it's about equivalent to other similar sized kits (giant, riptide, trygon, bastilidon, stegadon, significantly cheaper and smaller than a wraithknight). Though GW pricing is hardly consistent, it's the same price as Arachnarok even though I'm pretty sure it's a lot smaller.

Also 10 models which are 10 years old for 36 pounds doesn't sound all that awesome, no idea how much they cost before though.

How much does the age matter? I have War Dancers and they are splendid models, in fact almost all of the Wood Elf models have aged extremely well save for Treekin and the old Treeman model, both of them looked far to silly (they had their tongues out for feths sake!).

Also 10 metal models for 36 pounds does sound like normal GW pricing, but then you add in the Noble, a character somewhere around £10, you get a very well priced unit. It would be like giving away a free captain with every tactical marine squad.

Wood Elves getting some love has kind of made me interested at building a force of them. Never really gave them the time of day before (also I like the look of the new Treeman models).

Dryads are univalable on the uk webstore, rebox + price rise incoming?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????.

For faux-archaic grammar this bad, you should be mercilessly prodded wth a spork for about 10-15 minutes.

So I have WD sitting on my desk.

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.
2) The shoulders, elbows, knees, and ankles all have separate joints to allow you to pose your Treemen up differently.
3) The bearded/tabarded Treeman is in fact the Treeman Ancient...who is a Wizard. Seb Perbet(the primary sculptor on the kit) envisioned the tabard and beard as the work of the Dryads while the Ancient slumbers between battles.

Also the little weird vine thingy being "fired" by the younger Treeman is called a "Strangleroot".

 Kanluwen wrote:

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.

So is that all the Elven races done by him? Aside from the Banner which summons Experiment626 I like both of the previous books.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.

So is that all the Elven races done by him? Aside from the Banner which summons Experiment626 I like both of the previous books.

Indeed it is all three Elven races done by him.

Araloth is apparently a character he came up with back before he joined the GW design studio, when he first started playing Wood Elves.

Also Neil Langdown is the sculptor for Araloth, and the inspiration "came from an older illustration by John Blanche". The horned helm is something to potentially expect on more Wood Elf stuff in the future as he put it with "High Elves have their winged helms, Dark Elves have bladed ones, so the idea of Wood Elves having antlers fitted nicely".

Araloth's falcon, Skaryn, is a nod back to Skaw the Falconer.

Is there any indication what their "prowess" will be in the WD?

Any mention/hints of future models in the range? Thus far all we know at the deer riders as a potential further model in the range.

 Eldarain wrote:
Is there any indication what their "prowess" will be in the WD?

Not really. As mentioned Araloth has Always Strikes First and Stubborn--but Skaryn is where the real interesting thing is.
Skaryn the Eye Thief is an attack made by Araloth where you nominate a single enemy model within 18". That model takes a S4 hit. If the Wound is unsaved, and the To Wound roll was a 6 then the model suffers a -5 penalty to Weapon Skill and Initiative (to a minimum of 1) for the rest of the game. A model can only suffer this penalty once however.
Also it looks like you can pick between WS or BS, not strictly WS and I.

Asrai Spears have Armor Piercing and Fight in Extra Ranks, which is nice. There's something kind of strange though in the write-up by Dan.

If you keep him in a wood, he'll be able to re-roll To Wound rolls of 1 as well, which can tip things in his favour.

It makes me think that Wood Elves will get something similar to Murderous Prowess but only when in woods.

Also worth mentioning that Eternal Guard are mentioned by name, so they're still in.

Oh and I missed some stuff from Durthu.
So he's a L1 Wizard who uses spells from the Lore of Beasts. Tree Whack is:

Nominate an enemy model in base contact. That model must pass an Initiative test or suffer D6 Wounds with no armour saves allowed. A character with this special rule may make a Tree Whack in a Challenge.

Forest Spirit does not seem too different from what I recall in the soon to be replaced Wood Elf book:

A model with this special rule has the Forest Strider special rule and its attacks(close combat and shooting) are magical. In addition if the model is not a mount, it has a 6+ Ward save and the Immune to Psychology special rule

There was also a line in the little "tactical" write up for Durthu by Adam that stuck out:

Instead, try to interpose terrain(such as the free wood all Wood Elf armies get) between him and such monstrosities...

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 Overread wrote:
Any mention/hints of future models in the range? Thus far all we know at the deer riders as a potential further model in the range.

Just the Deer Riders, Eternal Guard, and the as yet unknown Eternal Guard looking model with the dual axes(which might just be a variant build from the main box or something).

I think that the Eternal Guard are going to get two different weapon options though. Neil Langdown very specifically talks about how the hunting spear on Araloth is "a thematic choice to show the woodland hunter nature of some of the Asrai", and it doesn't make sense to give Asrai Spears special rules and just have them limited to a few characters or Glade Riders.

I'm thinking the Eternal Guard will have a Spear/Shield option and a 2h weapon option.

Sounds like the WE might be mirroring the HE; HE having White Lions and Pheonix Guard whilst WE have the Eternal Guard with Spears or these newer units with two handed axes.

I'd suspect it would be 1 kit with two alternative model types rather than 1 kit with two weapon types; alternative weapons just isn't something really much done in Fantasy models. They instead tend to split things with different models - like the HE have both Sisters and Shadow Warriors on the same kit.

Entirely possible that it's two different units, but something about Eternal Guard getting weapon options feels right. The way they talk about Araloth and what units to place him in they only suggest "Glade Guard and Eternal Guard" units.

I do think that the Eternal Guard will be a Core choice rather than Special though.

The other option is that Glade Guard are going to be kinda/sorta "revamped" and have Glade Guard refer to shield/spear armed units while the archer unit that we saw get a new name.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
How much does the age matter? I have War Dancers and they are splendid models, in fact almost all of the Wood Elf models have aged extremely well save for Treekin and the old Treeman model, both of them looked far to silly (they had their tongues out for feths sake!).

Also 10 metal models for 36 pounds does sound like normal GW pricing, but then you add in the Noble, a character somewhere around £10, you get a very well priced unit. It would be like giving away a free captain with every tactical marine squad.

It's relevant that they're 10 years old because it means these are the exact same models you could buy for less than 30 pounds a few years ago I have no idea what the prices were for them a few weeks ago though.

As for aging well, meh, I never like the Wardancer models to begin with, and I'm saying that despite the fact I own them including the limited direct-only. The only one I like is the one doing a side kick, which I believe was one of the limited ones. The female Wardancers look like dudes with boobs (far more than the Witch Elf models) and at least half the poses look silly (obviously beauty in the eye of the beholder, but to me they just look "awkward" not "dancing a war"). They scream "how can we pose this model to save us money by making it only 1 piece?".

I'm actually struggling to think of anything to compare them with though because GW don't have many metal infantry models anymore. There were the Kasrkin, not sure what the UK pricing for them was but it was a lot less than the Wardancer pricing in Australia. They're more expensive than the metal IG squads, more expensive than the Last Chancers, cheaper than Sisters of Battle (not sure if that's something to get excited about?).

I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

I'm not saying GW is a spectacular deal, but those celt archers remind of old 1980-1990s Ral Parth D&D figures.

That Treeman looks pretty narly dude! I hope that this gives them a nice boost looking forward to checking out the rules and playing against them!

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

The fact that sculpts like those are considered "great" for historical miniatures is why I just can't get into historical gaming. Maybe it's just the paintjobs, but those sculpts are really subpar. Of course, the Wardancers aren't that great, either.

~Tim?

True, those are not the best. I was comparing costs. OK, Gripping Beast has nice minis, so for 92 dollars US you can have 41 minis
http://www.grippingbeast.com/photos/s%20for%20ws.jpg

This is entirely subjective but of all the 8th edition army books, this one I have to say has the worst cover art of the lot. The sneer/smile expression through to the downright gawdy colour pallete and awkward stance make even the Vampire Counts army book image look dignified. The treeman in the background looks awesome, why can't THAT be on the front cover?

I have to admit, I really do like the new Treeman model/kit. It's much more a Greater Tree-Fey-Kin, or Greater Daemon of Nature - which works, actually, using the original definition of Daemon ≠ "Demon" - than a "proper" treeman, or Ent kit, though. I wonder how much it costs? (US/AU$) That will decide whether I get three of them or none of them...

 Azazelx wrote:
It's much more a Greater Tree-Fey-Kin than a "proper" treeman, or Ent kit

Agreed -- that is why I like it so much. He comes in at 96 Aussie Dollars.

Ouch! What's the US price?

61 USD

Of course!

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was also a line in the little "tactical" write up for Durthu by Adam that stuck out:

Instead, try to interpose terrain(such as the free wood all Wood Elf armies get) between him and such monstrosities...

Just for the record: Wood Elves have the "free wood" rule currently as well.

So looks like if I bother to buy it, I'll have to import it. Not that it's hard, but it's nice when GW occasionally releases something that I can buy locally.

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

 Overread wrote:
Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

No. The problem is that GW is a stupid company. A big company should always have the advantage over a small company, because many parts of a company don't become twice as expensive just because the company is twice as big. The cost is only higher if you start shovelling money into white elephants like stores that don't increase your sales enough to cover their own cost.

 Overread wrote:

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

This makes no sense. Firstly, big doesn't mean the models should cost more unless you've made yourself too big for the amount you can sell. Look at any other form of retail and being big almost always results in being able to deliver lower prices. Secondly, why is maintaining stores going to result in higher prices unless you don't know how to run a store? If running a store were a liability instead of potentially being profitable, no one would run stores, lol. If GW is running stores at a loss they need to stop running stores and put things back in the hands of FLGS's who actually know how to run a store instead of passing their losses on to the customer.