Wood Elves in May (second week release pics in first post)

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**Darkmoonlight**

Any news on the new hawk riders?

**Mantle**

Did anyone notice that shadowdancers are described as wizards on the GW website.

**Pacific**

Love some of the new artwork, it's good to see GW commissioning some fresh pieces.

Treeman is very characterful and OTT (in a good way), and love the little owl sitting on the models shoulder!

**Kanluwen**

Pacific wrote:
Love some of the new artwork, it's good to see GW commissioning some fresh pieces.

Treeman is very characterful and OTT (in a good way), and love the little owl sitting on the models shoulder!

The owl has three eyes and is affectionately called "Blinky" at the Studio.

It is also a separate piece, as are all the Spites. There are 13 in all according to Neil Langdown and Seb Perbet.

**Coyote81**

Mantle wrote:
Did anyone notice that shadowdancers are described as wizards on the GW website.

Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

One vote for Shadowdancers being Level 1 Shadow wizards.

**His Master's Voice**

Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Right in time for 9th, where magic will get nerfed into oblivion.

**Sigvatr**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Right in time for 9th, where magic will get nerfed into oblivion.

Both thumbs pressed for this to happen.

**Bull0**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Overread wrote:
RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)
This makes no sense. Firstly, big doesn't mean the models should cost more unless you've made yourself too big for the amount you can sell. Look at any other form of retail and being big almost always results in being able to deliver lower prices. Secondly, why is maintaining stores going to result in higher prices unless you don't know how to run a store? If running a store were a liability instead of potentially being profitable, no one would run stores, lol. If GW is running stores at a loss they need to stop running stores and put things back in the hands of FLGS's who actually know how to run a store instead of passing their losses on to the customer.

I don't think it's really that simple - if it were, iPads would be the cheap option because there's an Apple store in every city, so they can deliver lower prices, right? No, they deliver extremely high prices, and they run the stores to back that up. The GW stores are kind of like that, I guess. They could cut the retail arm out and lower their prices a bit, maybe, or they could keep their retail arm and keep their high prices. Much of a muchness. They could close the studio tomorrow if cost-cutting was their whole MO.

Should we be getting into this again? Probably not

**Kroothawk**

Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Just for the record: Currently all treemen can cast a level 3 spell called treesinger, so they already ARE a kind of wizard.

**Avian**

The alternative build for the Eternal Guard, the guys with the axes, are apparently called Wildwood Rangers.

**Krellnus**

Bound spell =/= wizard.

**Avian**

Darkmoonlight wrote:
Any news on the new hawk riders?

No such animal. Story entirely made up.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Bull0 wrote:
I don't think it's really that simple - if it were, iPads would be the cheap option because there's an Apple store in every city, so they can deliver lower prices, right? No, they deliver extremely high prices, and they run the stores to back that up. The GW stores are kind of like that, I guess. They could cut the retail arm out and lower their prices a bit, maybe, or they could keep their retail arm and keep their high prices. Much of a muchness. They could close the studio tomorrow if cost-cutting was their whole MO.

Should we be getting into this again? Probably not

The high price doesn't COME from having a store though, if it does all it means is you fail at running a store. Properly run stores make money, the fact FLGS's can sell GW product at a discount emphasizes that.

But yes, I'm sorry for going off topic, can't help myself

I'll try and stop now.

**Samurai_Eduh**

Someone on 4chan seems to have some of the iPad version of the book:

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/31762564/wood-elves

Edit: Seems its the iPad preview. But looks like you see one of the new warhawk riders maybe.

**Azreal13**

They're just the old Warhawk riders, nothing new there.

**Overread**

Shame - I always liked the idea of warhawk riders; but the small hawk and surfing rider always looked odd. Kind of like someone just got a man standing and glued them to the back of the bird (its one of those things that likely looked great in concept art but didn't translate as well to the scale of the model).

I hope GW can revisit some of hteir older bird models - the newer LotR eagles and the phoenix from HE prove that they can certainly do some great birds

**Agamemnon2**

Okay, the treemen don't look like any treemen I've ever seen, which isn't necessarily bad, but... they're weird. Especially Durthu, with his jack-o-lantern face. And why does a gigantic walking tree need a sword? Or a loincloth? Surely they don't have loins?

I can't help noticing that "small, easily breakable spikes and spires" is the new GW hallmark for Fantasy models. Transporting these new models must be a colossal headache. And ironically, making good money for Battlefoam, I should imagine.

**Flashman**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Okay, the treemen don't look like any treemen I've ever seen, which isn't necessarily bad, but... they're weird. Especially Durthu, with his jack-o-lantern face.

The jack-o-lantern face is largely a result of the paintjob. As others have pointed out, I think a more muted colour scheme would work better. I'd go back to hollow pits for the eyes and mouth like the treemen paintjobs of old.

**avedominusnox**

Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?

**AllSeeingSkink**

avedominusnox wrote:
Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?

Definitely not a Chariot base, if that were a chariot base then the model would be huge, 8 or 9" tall. Looks like a new base size to me, maybe 75mm x 50 mm, judging by the Dryad which they've included on one of the pics.

**streamdragon**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?
Definitely not a Chariot base, if that were a chariot base then the model would be huge, 8 or 9" tall. Looks like a new base size to me, maybe 75mm x 50 mm, judging by the Dryad which they've included on one of the pics.

Isn't 75mm x 50mm the old giant base?

**Wyrmalla**

Ooh, I like the art style on the books, but they'll need a better sculptor before I'd spend any amount of cash on those models. Far too basic for the prices GW are asking. Those old Dryads don't look too horrible in comparison though.

**avedominusnox**

streamdragon wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?
Definitely not a Chariot base, if that were a chariot base then the model would be huge, 8 or 9" tall. Looks like a new base size to me, maybe 75mm x 50 mm, judging by the Dryad which they've included on one of the pics.

Isn't 75mm x 50mm the old giant base?

I think it's the 100mm x 50mm. I don't think it's anything else or new...

**AllSeeingSkink**

streamdragon wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?
Definitely not a Chariot base, if that were a chariot base then the model would be huge, 8 or 9" tall. Looks like a new base size to me, maybe 75mm x 50 mm, judging by the Dryad which they've included on one of the pics.

Isn't 75mm x 50mm the old giant base?

Yeah possibly. I have a giant but I can't be bothered pulling it out of it's case right now, lol.

It's definitely not 100x50 like a chariot base, not unless they're lying about it only being 6" tall. You can see it's over 2 base widths tall, so if it's a 100x50mm base, that would make it over 8" tall. I'm thinking in the 70 to 80mm wide region.

**Daba**

The Monstrous Cavalry base is 75x50mm - maybe it's that on the side?

**Kroothawk**

Second week's releases:

Eternal Guard 31 €
Sisters of the Thorn 29€
Also. Guardians of the Deepwood Box 190 €
Plus "Orion: The Council of Beasts" BL novel 12.50 €

**Accolade**

Thanks for the info, Kroot!

I have some interest in this release, something about Wood Elves pulls me into having genuine interest in Fantasy.

So, Eternal Guard will be about $45 then...I'm guessing they are not a dual kit then? So $5 discount from the Dwarf dual-kit costs.

**avedominusnox**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
Do we know what is the base the treeman is mounted? Is it the chariot one?
Definitely not a Chariot base, if that were a chariot base then the model would be huge, 8 or 9" tall. Looks like a new base size to me, maybe 75mm x 50 mm, judging by the Dryad which they've included on one of the pics.

Isn't 75mm x 50mm the old giant base?
Yeah possibly. I have a giant but I can't be bothered pulling it out of it's case right now, lol.

It's definitely not 100x50 like a chariot base, not unless they're lying about it only being 6" tall. You can see it's over 2 base widths tall, so if it's a 100x50mm base, that would make it over 8" tall. I'm thinking in the 70 to 80mm wide region.

Well in the pic with the dryad it seems to me appropriate for the 100x50. Can someone with a knowledge of that inform us, it is important for me to know. Thank you

**Kanluwen**

Accolade wrote:
Thanks for the info, Kroot!

I have some interest in this release, something about Wood Elves pulls me into having genuine interest in Fantasy.

So, Eternal Guard will be about $45 then...I'm guessing they are not a dual kit then? So $5 discount from the Dwarf dual-kit costs.

They are a dual kit, the second build are the 2h axes and apparently called "Wildwood Rangers"...which is a dumb name for a rank and file unit in my opinion.

**Kroothawk**

Accolade wrote:
So, Eternal Guard will be about $45 then...I'm guessing they are not a dual kit then? So $5 discount from the Dwarf dual-kit costs.

I am quite certain, that both boxes are dual kits in some form. Sisters of Thorn could be the dual rider kit.