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I really don't like the look of a Taurox prime for Stormtroopers, the thing costs a lot for it's size and the Rhino would look sweet in Camo. Arbites and Sisters, both Schola Progenium graduates, use the thing so I don't see why not. Or is it only limited to the named users (AdMech, Arbites, Sisters, Astartes and Inquisiton)?

what does it say in your codex?

As a count-as? Eh, just strap the proper weapon and enjoy it.

Fluff-wise, your conclusion is too logical for 40k, does not compute.

Fluff-wise, Rhinos are an expensive and luxurious piece of military hardware. Reserved for the elite of the elite of the Imperium.

A Governor might be fortunate enough to have one in his personal moterpool. An inquisitor could get one easily enough. The Sororities, Arbites, and the Astartes are the only organizations that have the clout, need, and/or money to afford using them en-mass.

Outfitting any regular Imperial units, even Stormtroopers, with a Rhino would be like a normal police force getting Lamborghinis as their standard issue squad cars. Expensive and a pain to keep in operating order, but it would run very nicely at least.

I disagree. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the Stormtroopers to have access to Rhinos.

However, until the Taurox came about, I'd also say it was a silly idea. Stormtroopers operate by infiltration and aerial insersion. There does not exist a Valkyrie variant capable of carrying a Rhino, so they do not use them.

Of course, their access to MARPS blows that out the water, so sure, go ahead. Rhinos for Stormtroopers!

As a note, back in Epic 40k, Commissars came with Rhinos as their standard transport.

Used to be that Rhinos were pretty ubiquitous in the Imperium. Astartes, Adeptus Arbites, certain sections of the Imperial Guard, etc.

But now GW wants everything to be increasingly striated into factions.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Outfitting any regular Imperial units, even Stormtroopers, with a Rhino would be like a normal police force getting Lamborghinis as their standard issue squad cars.

You obviously don't know about the Italian Highway Patrol. (-:



It would have to be counts as I'm afraid. You could use razorbacks and change the turret for the Taurox weapons you want. Just be aware that you can't assume people are going to be happy with you. Most won't mind but you can expect resistance at some point.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Outfitting any regular Imperial units, even Stormtroopers, with a Rhino would be like a normal police force getting Lamborghinis as their standard issue squad cars.

You obviously don't know about the Italian Highway Patrol. (-:

Spoiler:

It would have to be counts as I'm afraid. You could use razorbacks and change the turret for the Taurox weapons you want. Just be aware that you can't assume people are going to be happy with you. Most won't mind but you can expect resistance at some point.

I remembered that some police force used Lambos but I had forgotten which one!

Yeah, that was my plan the whole time. I was considering buying a Baal Predator and just magnetizing/weapon swapping the thing. It is a little weird how a tiny little tank like the Taurox prime manages to keep it's transport capacity and it's big guns when the larger rhino can't. I guess you could attribute that to marines being big but I guess thats GW for you.

No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

 viewfinder wrote:
No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

I own neither Codex. I am actually starting a MTS army but I didn't care much for the Taurox model. I also want to paint a Rhino in Camo since I think it would look cool. I just wanted to know if using Rhinos was a "Chaos Grey Knights" or "Anthro Space Marines" level fluff mistake.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:
No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

I own neither Codex. I am actually starting a MTS army but I didn't care much for the Taurox model. I also want to paint a Rhino in Camo since I think it would look cool. I just wanted to know if using Rhinos was a "Chaos Grey Knights" or "Anthro Space Marines" level fluff mistake.

whether it's a mistake or not, if it ain't been in the IG codex before, it probably won't be in there in the future. and if you own neither codex, how are you planning to write up a list?

 viewfinder wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:
No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

I own neither Codex. I am actually starting a MTS army but I didn't care much for the Taurox model. I also want to paint a Rhino in Camo since I think it would look cool. I just wanted to know if using Rhinos was a "Chaos Grey Knights" or "Anthro Space Marines" level fluff mistake.

whether it's a mistake or not, if it ain't been in the IG codex before, it probably won't be in there in the future. and if you own neither codex, how are you planning to write up a list?

You don't really need a codex for an army...
Just a playable one. Many people enjoy the painting and modelling aspect of an army. If that's all you want use the rhinos but if you want to be able to actually play the army you won't be able to use it. The size and shape would be too different for it to work properly...

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

The Predator probably has far more redundant systems to keep it ticking, far more fuel and far more ammo/capacitators for weapons to stay in the fight longer before needing resupply. The marines fight in quite a different fashion than the IG, even if it's an elite formation like the Stormtroopers.

> Ally in Space Marines

> Take rhinos

> Put the scions in the rhinos

> ???

> Profit!

Fluff wise, it might be a matter of price or utility; it could just be that rhinos don't fit the scion's brand of combat.

awful kludgey way to put scions in rhinos. cross your fingers that you don't go second...

 purplefood wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:
No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

I own neither Codex. I am actually starting a MTS army but I didn't care much for the Taurox model. I also want to paint a Rhino in Camo since I think it would look cool. I just wanted to know if using Rhinos was a "Chaos Grey Knights" or "Anthro Space Marines" level fluff mistake.

whether it's a mistake or not, if it ain't been in the IG codex before, it probably won't be in there in the future. and if you own neither codex, how are you planning to write up a list?

You don't really need a codex for an army...
Just a playable one. Many people enjoy the painting and modelling aspect of an army. If that's all you want use the rhinos but if you want to be able to actually play the army you won't be able to use it. The size and shape would be too different for it to work properly...

I don't think it's that much of an issue using it as a count as if it's all WYSIWYG but I can see why people would be opposed to it. The Rhino is a bit shorter.

@Spetulhu
I guess that makes a little sense. The Predator is also noted to be internally reinforced which takes up some space.

@CthuluIsSpy
I thought it was because Games Workshop wants to keep Rhinos with Power Armored units to avoid confusion.

let's see a Taurox and a Rhino side-by-side.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 viewfinder wrote:
No, it's not a "that's GW for you" reason. it's a totally different vehicle from a Rhino.

GW whines are becpming as monotonous as Mat Ward whines.

And did you find where Rhinos weren't in the MT or AS codexes? or how did you notice how different the models are?

I understand that but the Taurox is actually smaller than a Predator and, at times, can be more heavily armed but still manages to maintain a troop capacity as opposed to a Predator. It's a little strange is what am I saying.

I own neither Codex. I am actually starting a MTS army but I didn't care much for the Taurox model. I also want to paint a Rhino in Camo since I think it would look cool. I just wanted to know if using Rhinos was a "Chaos Grey Knights" or "Anthro Space Marines" level fluff mistake.

whether it's a mistake or not, if it ain't been in the IG codex before, it probably won't be in there in the future. and if you own neither codex, how are you planning to write up a list?

You don't really need a codex for an army...
Just a playable one. Many people enjoy the painting and modelling aspect of an army. If that's all you want use the rhinos but if you want to be able to actually play the army you won't be able to use it. The size and shape would be too different for it to work properly...

I don't think it's that much of an issue using it as a count as if it's all WYSIWYG but I can see why people would be opposed to it. The Rhino is a bit shorter.

@Spetulhu
I guess that makes a little sense. The Predator is also noted to be internally reinforced which takes up some space.

@CthuluIsSpy
I thought it was because Games Workshop wants to keep Rhinos with Power Armored units to avoid confusion.

Could be.
But then again, Arbites don't use PA; they use carapace, iirc.

This is true. Well, perhaps then the reason is that when the Storm Troopers were initially conceived they were rapid insertion assault units who used Valkyries as their main way of getting around. With the new Codex they wanted to expand the Storm Trooper's role from rapid aerial insertion units to elite Shock Troopers with the flexibility to be both airborne and mechanized assault as the mission requires. I could see why since there could be targets that need to taken out but are behind a large wall of aerial defenses/air dominance. So, in this new design paradigm, Games Workshop could either turn to the Rhino or the Chimera as the Storm Trooper's main ride. Both kits are commonly owned by their HHHobbyists and they wanted the "New Shinies" factor to maximize sales. In comes the Taurox.

The Rhino gels well with the Stormtroopers. It's easy to repair, it's quick and it's reliable meaning it can get the Stormtroopers to where they need to go with minimal support. It can be customized for the mission easily as well.

Ah, but isn't it slower?
The stormtroopers don't the taurox; they use the taurox prime, which is a lot faster and comes with more firepower.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ah, but isn't it slower?
The stormtroopers don't the taurox; they use the taurox prime, which is a lot faster and comes with more firepower.

The Rhino? I do not know. I think the prime and them go the same speed. If the Prime goes faster I could just say the Rhino variant my particular regiment uses trades armor for speed.

And I apologize, I did mean the Prime. I forget to distinguish between the two.


@Viewfinder

I think it's too soon to get a side by side but I've heard the Taurox as being Land Speeder sized. If so, the Rhino is much wider and somewhat wider. The Taurox appears to be a lot taller though.

The prime is a fast vehicle.
It also comes with a bigger gun.

It's an IFV really. Like the chimera or razorback.

Edit: Really, land speeder size? It looked bigger in the pictures.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The prime is a fast vehicle.
It also comes with a bigger gun.

It's an IFV really. Like the chimera or razorback.

Edit: Really, land speeder size? It looked bigger in the pictures.

Yeah. The poster may have been exaggerating but he said that it was smaller than a Rhino so I don't think it's bad form to use it as a counts as.

Actually, the Taurox reminds me of that one Israeli tank that can also transport people. The thing is armed like a Predator.

Honestly, if you were playing against me, I wouldn't see the issue with using a Rhino as a count-as Taurox Prime. It's a bit bigger, sure, but that's not really an issue in my eyes.

If it's the fluff that's posing an issue, then you can just say that these Stormtroppers/Scions are under the command of a rather respected Inquisitor. With his prestige, he can have access to nice shiny toys like Rhinos for his men.

Just for the record, Stormtroopers predate Valkyries by more than a decade. Pretty sure their inception was in 2nd edition.

I've no problem with people using rhinos as stand ins, it'd look cool

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I disagree. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the Stormtroopers to have access to Rhinos.

However, until the Taurox came about, I'd also say it was a silly idea. Stormtroopers operate by infiltration and aerial insersion. There does not exist a Valkyrie variant capable of carrying a Rhino, so they do not use them.

Of course, their access to MARPS blows that out the water, so sure, go ahead. Rhinos for Stormtroopers!

As a note, back in Epic 40k, Commissars came with Rhinos as their standard transport.

Sky talons can carry Venators, they're roughly the same size.

I guess a Taurus would be a lot lighter than a Rhino though, given its Buggy aesthetic.

Inb4 I'm not talking about the taurox, I'm talking about the Taurus. It's forgeworld.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Used to be that Rhinos were pretty ubiquitous in the Imperium. Astartes, Adeptus Arbites, certain sections of the Imperial Guard, etc.

But now GW wants everything to be increasingly striated into factions.

"But now"?

The Imperial Guard lost access to Rhinos almost two decades ago, lol.

Indeed, the fluff at that time barely resembled the current fluff. Half-eldar Librarians, Marines being criminal thugs, everyone carried the same weapons, etc...

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Used to be that Rhinos were pretty ubiquitous in the Imperium. Astartes, Adeptus Arbites, certain sections of the Imperial Guard, etc.

But now GW wants everything to be increasingly striated into factions.

"But now"?

The Imperial Guard lost access to Rhinos almost two decades ago, lol.

Yeah, I'm bringing back the spirit of the 80's/90's.

It's a little weird that the Rhino isn't more widespread than it is. It's ease of manufacture and simplicity of repair would make it a perfect vehicle for backwater PDFs, police forces and more rudimentary guard regiments. But I guess that's the Imperium for you.