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Straight up Russ spam. Form a wall of AV14 infantry hide behind hoping nobody notices them:

Pask: Vanquisher w/ lascannon & multimeltas, relic plating, 2 Executioners 548
Tank Commander: Vanquisher w/ lascannon & multimeltas, relic plating, 2 Executioners 508
2 Primaris Psykers 100

Veterans 60
Veterans 60

2 Vanquishers: lascannons 290
Exterminator: lascannon 140
Exterminator: lascannon 140

10 Russes, 2 Russtars. Lots of Ap2 and tank killing power. Perhaps lacking against deathstars. But not many builds can deal with 10 Russes. Obviously has bad match ups and is rock paper scissors type list. But 10 Russes. Also the subtle thing I like about this list is that you have 10 Leman Russes in it. Did I mention TEN LEMAN RUSSES?

Drop the Lascannons on the Exterminators and give them Heavy Bolters, or even better drop both Exterminators and take Eradicators with Heavy Bolter Sponsons. With that many Vanquishers and Executioners with Multi-Meltas you need some more Horde Killing power, taking Exterminators or IMPO Eradicators with Heavy Bolters will help give your list more balance to deal with most armies.

You are relying really heavily on the split fire order. I would homogenise your tank selections, and simply use the split fire when you want to avoid overkill. You want to use the smoke order too, which will be less useful with the differences in your squads. May organise them like this:

Pask: Exterminator w/ lascannon & multimeltas, 2 exterminators (lc/mm) 550
Tank Commander: Vanquisher w/ lascannon & multimeltas, 2 vanquishers (lc/mm) 525
2 Primaris Psykers 100

Veterans 60
Veterans 60

Executioner: lascannon, meltas 185
Executioner: lascannon, meltas 185
Executioner: lascannon, meltas 185

One less russ but more homogenous squads. Good AA on everything, good AT on everything. I mean, the idea of russ spam is pretty horrible, it will die against any melee army so fast, but if you want to do it this isn't too bad. I think Pask gives more benefit to an exterminator than a vanquisher. A punisher could be better though.

But thats only a meagre 9 Russes. Plus the splitfire is a 2+ roll so I don't mind relying on it. Pask on a Vanquisher just seems too good.

I wanted HBs on the exterminators but didn't have the points. Unless you can find me 20 points that doesn't really hurt another unit.

 FlingitNow wrote:
But thats only a meagre 9 Russes. Plus the splitfire is a 2+ roll so I don't mind relying on it. Pask on a Vanquisher just seems too good.

I wanted HBs on the exterminators but didn't have the points. Unless you can find me 20 points that doesn't really hurt another unit.

Drop the Exterminators for Eradicators, you save a bunch of points and they would be better suited for dealing with Anti-Infantry detail then the Exterminators. Also you could drop the Primaris Psykers for x2 Psyker Squads and save 40pts. each.

I do think swapping the exermintators for stock Punishers would balance the list a bit, and really tick off FMC spam. That many dice will hit even without skyfire forcing the grounding check.

Couple of hellhounds for anti horde would work.

What are you going to use to contest and claim objectives? It's very light on troops..

Psyker battle squads are more expensive than Primaris so that swap would not save me any points.

Droping the exterminators would hurt me against Serpent spam but would help against FMC so I think I'll do that.

Hellhounds? Why would I take them even the woeful Eradicator is better and the same points.

I don't plan on contesting objectives with anything. Objectives aren't hugely important anymore. I'm going for the tabling and possibly winning on secondaries. Perhaps holding 1 objective with the Vets if my opponent lacks any Barrage weapons.


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Pask: Vanquisher w/ lascannon & multimeltas, relic plating, 2 Executioners 548 
Tank Commander: Vanquisher w/ lascannon & multimeltas, relic plating, 2 Executioners 508 
2 Primaris Psykers 100 

Veterans 60 
Veterans 60 

2 Vanquishers: lascannons 290 
Punisher 140
Punisher 140

 FlingitNow wrote:


I don't plan on contesting objectives with anything. Objectives aren't hugely important anymore. I'm going for the tabling and possibly winning on secondaries. Perhaps holding 1 objective with the Vets if my opponent lacks any Barrage

Really? Assuming your two vet squads die, you can only score by making sure the enemy has no troops left either. Even one enemy troop model near one objective will wipe out any gains you might get from those secondary objectives. For some armies, this is going to be pretty difficult.

Why not drop a tank and make the veterans survivable, useful units with chimeras and a lascannon each?

Really? Assuming your two vet squads die, you can only score by making sure the enemy has no troops left either. Even one enemy troop model near one objective will wipe out any gains you might get from those secondary objectives. For some armies, this is going to be pretty difficult. 

Why not drop a tank and make the veterans survivable, useful units with chimeras and a lascannon each?

I don't plan on just wiping out the troops I'm playing to table with this. So I'm not overly concerned about just killing their troops. Armies with lots of troop bodies tend to not be at all competitive and tend not to have Barrage.

Why would I take Chimeras? Taurox is cheaper if I wanted to do that. I could do it by dropping sponsons and secondary guns. But I want those as they are for a purpose. Also it means the Psykers are either on their own or not able to function. Plus unless you have ignores line of sight weaponry you're not getting my troops until you've come through my Russes if you've done that you've already won so the troops are irrelevant anyway.

Pask is still way better in a Punisher so I would still suggest putting him in that over a Vanquisher. Also I don't get why people knock the Eradicator, easily one of the best and underrated tanks in the game.

 FlingitNow wrote:

Really? Assuming your two vet squads die, you can only score by making sure the enemy has no troops left either. Even one enemy troop model near one objective will wipe out any gains you might get from those secondary objectives. For some armies, this is going to be pretty difficult. 

Why not drop a tank and make the veterans survivable, useful units with chimeras and a lascannon each?

I don't plan on just wiping out the troops I'm playing to table with this. So I'm not overly concerned about just killing their troops. Armies with lots of troop bodies tend to not be at all competitive and tend not to have Barrage.

Why would I take Chimeras? Taurox is cheaper if I wanted to do that. I could do it by dropping sponsons and secondary guns. But I want those as they are for a purpose. Also it means the Psykers are either on their own or not able to function. Plus unless you have ignores line of sight weaponry you're not getting my troops until you've come through my Russes if you've done that you've already won so the troops are irrelevant anyway.

Chimeras as they have more utility as an armed vehicle at range. Your infantry could easily be taken out by out flankers, deep strikers, drop pods, units disembarking from flyers, or any of the other things that can easily get to the back of the field.

But fair enough, I would always consider planning to table every army a pretty risky strategy, but if you're happy, go for it..

Autocannons are better than Multilasers. You seem to assume I'll deploy like a moron I won't. Deepstrikers and outflankers will still need to go through Russes likewise people disembarking from flyer

I pretty much always play to table and rarely bring much more than minimum troops in 6th. I still win fairly consistently. I'm going to Doubles at WHW at the end of the month and we have 12 fire warriors between us. But also 12 Broadsides and 2 Riptides

Autocannons may be better then Multilasers but the 12 front armor goes a long way, that and the cheaper point cost in regards to more conventional Astra Militarium lists. However since you have plenty of armor 14 to hide behind or you can even come in from reserve with them I can see the pros of theTaurox Prime being used in your army list. Also the fact they are fast vehicles would benefit you so you could get onto objectives faster.

Taurox was what I was suggesting no Primes. Vets can't take primes.

I made a thread about using 9 lehman russes a while back, granted in 5th ed codex, but I think the points still stand. Main reason why it didnt work was not enough troops, to weak troops, and just all around bad troops.

how do you hold objectives with that many tanks o-o if the vets are killed you have to table the opponent?

The Vets are only dead if you've got barrage or you've killed most of the Russes. So not a massive concern. And no I don't have to table you even if you do kill all my Vets this is 6th Ed not 5th...

With so many SM lists featuring TFCs i think you're "only if they have barrage" argument is a little weak.

Yeah but guess what dies first... So yeah barrage is around and can kill them but not overly common. Normally in the less competitive builds and in 1-2 units which can be killed early game.

This is true. You don't see a problem with fliers getting to them at all either? Outflankers? This list seems like it would have trouble with fliers in general, though admittedly I'm not completely familiar with all the Russ variants

And to be perfectly honest, I just don't like it

Just curious but also, won't the tanks block each others line of sight?

I mean like, the front of the wall would be harsh but if something came around the side how would you deal with that (assuming they do block each others line of sight?) as its not like infantry shooting over / past infantry.

Tanks don't block LoS for other tanks in the same unit so that's not a massive problem. Also you deploy to deal with the opponent you're facing.

You do not have enough fire power to reliably table durable lists, especially horde lists. A list that just spams infantry will win.

You do not have enough troops to score objectives.

You have no objective contesting capability.

You will get tabled turn 2 against a good FMC list that gets into assault with your Russes.

Reserve the troops dont walk them behind. That way you have time to kill the barrage

Additionally,

if there is any line of site blocking terrain to hide artillery behind, you will be doing zero damage to the barrage units.

You executioners without prescience will kill themselves.

I do not see this list winning against really bad foot Space Marine lists.

The Executioners in Pasks unit get rerolls anyway due to PE so gets hot shouldn't be a huge problem. LoS blocking terrain makes the barrage full scatter and could enable me drploying out of range. I'd table a marine footlist every time with this regardless of what he did to my troops.

@flingitnow: Could this type of list work in the 1500pt range if so how? What would you do to alter the list for lesser point value? Thanks.

Id consider a enginseer + 4 servitors for auto repair on your warlords' tank