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Finecast failed because Games Workshop didn't care. They just wanted to A) Save money and B) Rush out products. If the quality of their products suffer, who cares? Most of their customers either don't care or don't complain. They'll just keep on buying their crap just because it has Games workshop on it.

It boggles my mind that people have had models that are "fine". I can go through the shelves of my local GW and find blister after blister with flaws visible through the blister and the ones that don't, I'm 95% sure you could open and find flaws that you just couldn't see through the plastic. That you could get a dozen models and not have one with huge glaring flaws is astonishing.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Calling Finecast resin is an absolute insult to the quality of resin. Sure, it's all actually resin when you go by the definition, but when I use that term, I am talking of awesome things. Like for instance the Flesh Golem I got for Confrontation: Age of Ragnorok. I can't even find a good pic that adequately shows off the souls flowing across the detail on it's back.

I have a friend that loves Epic, but can't find the models to purchase anymore, no matter how hard he looks. He happens to be a decent sculpter and knows other sculpters, so he created armies for his own use in Epic and cast them in resin himself.
His Adeptus Mechanicas army is flawless, right down to the human sized figures, and those that have played Epic know how small those figures can be.
He uses a far better quality resin then GW, for openers, and I would dare say that his process is far more efficient.

Relapse wrote:
He uses a far better quality resin then GW, for openers, and I would dare say that his process is far more efficient.

Of course - because he gives a gak.

I've ordered tons of miniatures from Maxmini, Kromlech, Puppetswar, Mad Robot, Micro Art Studio, Secret Weapon, and even Jacqueline's micro-batch Space Corsair miniatures. None have ever had the problems Finecast or Forge World had, save for a few Armorcast bits.

I find it curious that way back in the beginning, the guys pushing Finecast at GW- who had to know everything both good and bad pertaining to using the material they are for Finecast- thought it could honestly compete quality-wise with all the other resin miniatures producers out there. Even companies that are a tiny percentage the size and power of GW are putting out better quality stuff, and usually for more competitive prices, too.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

A lot of the models in finecast were originally metal, yes. They just switched materials without making new moulds. A lot of people at the time said the problems were due to this but then new models came out in finecast which had the same issues.

AIUI, Finecast requires new moulds, done using old master models.

I don't have any FC models, but not because I've tried to avoid them, I just haven't happened to need any model which has been available in FC (yet). OTOH, many of the metal models were so horrible to work with that I'd happily take them in Finecast: BFG capital ships, aforementioned original Broadsides, Jump Pack chaplain which just keeps tipping over etc.

I present you exhibit A)..... The warboss with attack squig. WHO THE FETH in the nine hells has mounted the boss poll on this model!

Its a complete joke. If some one breaths on the model it snaps off. Well worth the money GW.... thank you.

Rune priest - axe missing the top portion and is completely hallowed out.

Wolf lord on thunder wolf mount - Boot completely missing replaced with bubble. Back pack missing the bottom section.

Warboss - see above

Wolfpriest - good model

Ragnar - good model.

I own 5 crapcast models and 3 of them showed up with extreme and in some cases multiple defects.

On the Bright side GW sent out replacement parts no real questions asked. So good job to those guys!

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
He uses a far better quality resin then GW, for openers, and I would dare say that his process is far more efficient.

Of course - because he gives a gak.

I've ordered tons of miniatures from Maxmini, Kromlech, Puppetswar, Mad Robot, Micro Art Studio, Secret Weapon, and even Jacqueline's micro-batch Space Corsair miniatures. None have ever had the problems Finecast or Forge World had, save for a few Armorcast bits.

He does indeed care. That and the other armies he sculpts and casts are definite labors of love that put shame all over the GW resins. More so because he does them in his living room.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I find it curious that way back in the beginning, the guys pushing Finecast at GW- who had to know everything both good and bad pertaining to using the material they are for Finecast- thought it could honestly compete quality-wise with all the other resin miniatures producers out there. Even companies that are a tiny percentage the size and power of GW are putting out better quality stuff, and usually for more competitive prices, too.

Again, they're not trying to compete on quality. Finecast's goal isn't producing the best possible models, it's maximizing the profit margin on selling $15 space marine characters to 12 year olds who don't care if their model is garbage because they're going to treat it like garbage anyway.

Most of my Finecast experience has been models in terminator armor. Fat, bulky models are usually safe.

Spindly models are just a non-starter. My Changling's staff broke as I was getting it off the sprue. I just cut it up and used brass rod instead. I have a Finecast Shadowseer I won in a raffle... haven't popped her open yet, but afraid to...


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 Peregrine wrote:
... it's maximizing the profit margin on selling $15 $19~$25 space marine characters..

Remember, prices went up. You could get the same character in metal, a more costly and durable material, for $15.

 TheKbob wrote:
Most of my Finecast experience has been models in terminator armor. Fat, bulky models are usually safe.

Spindly models are just a non-starter. My Changling's staff broke as I was getting it off the sprue. I just cut it up and used brass rod instead. I have a Finecast Shadowseer I won in a raffle... haven't popped her open yet, but afraid to...


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 Peregrine wrote:
... it's maximizing the profit margin on selling $15 $19~$25 space marine characters..

Remember, prices went up. You could get the same character in metal, a more costly and durable material, for $15.

That's the crazy thing about the stuff my bud sculpts and casts. They are tiny in many cases, but equal in strength to their Epic equivelents that were made in plastic. None of this reinforced whipped cream material for him!

Relapse wrote:
That's the crazy thing about the stuff my bud sculpts and casts. They are tiny in many cases, but equal in strength to their Epic equivelents that were made in plastic. None of this reinforced whipped cream material for him!

Nah, nothing crazy about it, just using high-quality resin instead of the cheapest garbage you can find. Resin done right is a great material that beats plastic in everything but cost of mass production.

the material sucks, the molds suck and GW's idiotic designs such as this really dont help anything

 Peregrine wrote:

Relapse wrote:
That's the crazy thing about the stuff my bud sculpts and casts. They are tiny in many cases, but equal in strength to their Epic equivelents that were made in plastic. None of this reinforced whipped cream material for him!

Nah, nothing crazy about it, just using high-quality resin instead of the cheapest garbage you can find. Resin done right is a great material that beats plastic in everything but cost of mass production.

I will agree with you on that.

The one thing I can say about finecast is that it doesn't weigh much. Try making the Dynamic Entry meme model with a metal Farsight

OT edit. I had no idea the meme came from Naruto... (My favorite show)

I impulse bought a finecast Venomthrope this weekend.

One big problem that made me think of this thread...the blister came with 2 left sides instead of a left side and a right side. I assume someone out there got a pack with 2 right sides.

I have to say, GW Customer Service agreed to send me a replacement with absolutely no hassle whatsoever.

 Peregrine wrote:

Relapse wrote:
That's the crazy thing about the stuff my bud sculpts and casts. They are tiny in many cases, but equal in strength to their Epic equivelents that were made in plastic. None of this reinforced whipped cream material for him!

Nah, nothing crazy about it, just using high-quality resin instead of the cheapest garbage you can find. Resin done right is a great material that beats plastic in everything but cost of mass production.

Also in having straight parts. One thing I hate about resin is wonky gun barrels, spears, swords, etc. My DKOK Grenadier chainsword is damned near impossible to get straight. Often even if you do get them straight, they go wonky again after a while. Things that are obviously supposed to be straight but aren't is one thing I'm OCD about, you can see even on the FW site many of the studio painted models have barrels that aren't perfectly straight or drooping. Granted that can happen with plastic, but it's far less common and while it's harder to fix if it is bent, the fix is usually pretty permanent.