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Hello my fellow Dakkadakka's, i have recently started to look at my rather small steam library and i have been thinking of trying to add some good 4x games to it,hopefully any games that are closed to the old Master of Orion games.

That being said, i'm not sure what good games to pick up since there are a lot of them out there,the only current 4x games that i'm currently owning are GC 1-2. so mabey any one out there could give me some good suggestions.

Added to that i'm also looking more into adding some Rpg games since i only currently have both Borderlands games,and i see little if any point in buying a single player rpg game on steam since i'm more of a multi player/co op person when it comes to steam games.

Sins of a Solar Empire.
Get it.

Looking for games close to Master of Orion but you don't own Master of Orion? You should do something about that.
And you're also looking for good RPGs?

Yes i do have Master of Orion 2-3 laying around here some where though not on steam lol. and yes good rpgs are indeed something i'm looking for.

Also thanks for suggesting Sins, i'll look it up.

Star Wars Supremacy was very good back in the day. Unsure of running it on newer OS's though.

Sins of a solar empire and all add-ons, then go download

Sins of a galactic empire mod

Star trek mods

Then get the battlefleet gothic mod

Thank me later

Has the main ST mod for Sins been updated recently? Or are the Borg still OP as all hell?

Age of Wonders 3 is a great 4x game available on Steam. I would also recommend looking into Endless Legend, which is currently in early access on Steam. By the way, when is someone going to create an ultimate Warhammer 40K 4x style game?!? Now that would be awesome!

Haegemonia: Legions of Iron is a good game, was recently released on steam. A better 4x game than Sins anyway.

For a MOO style 4x game, I'd highly recommend Galactic Civilizations, by Stardock. There have been two iterations of it so far, and a third one has been announced.

Galcivs is excellent, and I also recommend it.

If you want rpgs the best place would be gog.com but if you are into more modern then anything from obsidian is great.

ps. borderlands is not an rpg.

Some solid RPG suggestions for you:

Dark Souls 1 and 2
Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 (only if you get the mods for 2)
Deus Ex
Deus Ex: Human Revolution

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Has the main ST mod for Sins been updated recently? Or are the Borg still OP as all hell?

Which trek mod? One is pretty much finished and the other is broken and feth, it's the latter I think you mean.

 Formosa wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Has the main ST mod for Sins been updated recently? Or are the Borg still OP as all hell?

Which trek mod? One is pretty much finished and the other is broken and feth, it's the latter I think you mean.

It was called Armada 3 last I checked.

What about non-steam games for RPGs? If you've got a 3DS Bravely Default is worth checking. out. It's the first game I've played that manages to capture the feel of the old SNES-era jRPGs without all the belt-buckle character design and navel-gazing-angst baggage the genre starting picking up around the PS2 era. It's seriously solid, if you're into that sort of thing.

 Chongara wrote:
What about non-steam games for RPGs? If you've got a 3DS Bravely Default is worth checking. out. It's the first game I've played that manages to capture the feel of the old SNES-era jRPGs without all the belt-buckle character design and navel-gazing-angst baggage the genre starting picking up around the PS2 era. It's seriously solid, if you're into that sort of thing.

Do the characters improve? I played a bit of it and met the first girl Agnes and remember one of the first conversations being like:

Agnes: I MUST DO THIS ALONE
Hero guy: But I can help you, you know, like I just totally helped you back there?
Agnes: ALONE.EXE
Fairy companion: Hey Agnes, this guy is probably the guy in the prophecy who is supposed to help you
Agnes: DON'T CARE BECAUSE I'M THICK

 curran12 wrote:

 Chongara wrote:
What about non-steam games for RPGs? If you've got a 3DS Bravely Default is worth checking. out. It's the first game I've played that manages to capture the feel of the old SNES-era jRPGs without all the belt-buckle character design and navel-gazing-angst baggage the genre starting picking up around the PS2 era. It's seriously solid, if you're into that sort of thing.

Do the characters improve? I played a bit of it and met the first girl Agnes and remember one of the first conversations being like:

Agnes: I MUST DO THIS ALONE
Hero guy: But I can help you, you know, like I just totally helped you back there?
Agnes: ALONE.EXE
Fairy companion: Hey Agnes, this guy is probably the guy in the prophecy who is supposed to help you
Agnes: DON'T CARE BECAUSE I'M THICK

Yes and No. I'll grant Anges is pretty insufferable and develops to only become even more insufferable for the most part. Tiz "Hero Guy" stays for the most part pretty bland but inoffensive.

However, I found they're more than made up for by Edea, the blonde girl on the cover. The character kind of hams up these big forceful statements about right, wrong, honor and such that just really work for me. I mean the character is still mostly playing to an archetype here but it's well executed and charming, if you like that sort of thing. She's also probably got the most significant arc, being that she betrays the big-bad-empire(TM) to join you early on. I also thoroughly enjoy voice directing here, such as the characters direct pronunciation of what might normally be read as more a groan or grunt, this is conversational and a point some people found really irritating.

The final character is closer to your sort stock lecherous-guy comic relief character but is well executed again, if you like that sort of thing.

You're definitely sort of getting two "mehs/ok" and an "ugh" to one really enjoyable character here. At least in my view. The game certainly has bigger strengths than its cast,but I enjoy the Edea character enough to give it a pass on the weaknesses with the rest of the crew.