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Hello , I have a question, cuz i am a new player , i'm not sure if i can play dark angels as vanilla marines, can i name them for example green angels and tell everyone that they are vanilla ?
Could i play them on tournament ?

The models?

Most people would probably let you play one bunch of loyalists in power armor as another bunch of loyalists in power armor.

Anyone who adamantly refused to let you run your dark angels as vanilla marines so long as you still have reasonable approximations of the models they count as is probably not worth playing against anyway.

Provided that the correct wargear is modelled on the individual models then absolutely fine.

So another question, can I play my ravenwing as white scars ? Of course with khan.

I see no reason why you couldn't, as long as you use Codex: Space Marines units. It's just bikes with wings after all, only the visuals are different most the times. But as Jangustus said, they need to wield correct wargear.

Some people might frown upon it, but in a friendly game it's okay. Just like running Codex: Space Marines army as a Renegade Chapter.

You can always say your army is a successor of one of the Codex chapters, Dork Angels!

CatMan wrote:
So another question, can I play my ravenwing as white scars ? Of course with khan.

Only if you don't tell the opponent what they are halfway through the game

Yes, you could even still call them Dark Angels. Just tell your opponent what codex you are using before the game.

Go for it. There are those at my FLGS that find the DA codex underwhelming and do run them as vanilla marines with a pick your chapter tactics of the moment choice.
Seems to work out well.

kingleir wrote:
Yes, you could even still call them Dark Angels. Just tell your opponent what codex you are using before the game.

That is stepping out of line, as it risks confusion.

I'd even advise not to use DA colors, just to further make sure nobody gets confused.


Using the "wrong" models is fine as long the gear is correct and you make the effort that people wont get confused, but not doing so will be a bit douchy of your side.

 BoomWolf wrote:

kingleir wrote:
Yes, you could even still call them Dark Angels. Just tell your opponent what codex you are using before the game.

That is stepping out of line, as it risks confusion.

I'd even advise not to use DA colors, just to further make sure nobody gets confused.


Using the "wrong" models is fine as long the gear is correct and you make the effort that people wont get confused, but not doing so will be a bit douchy of your side.

This. Just say "I have White Scars army, dont mind the robes, everything is WYSIWYG" and you are OK. Or just call them Snotling Green Toads and say you are using White Scars rules and again, you are OK.

Of course from fluffity fluff POV its heresy (except the part where its your own homebrew chapter, than Emperor smiles on your intentions)

 BoomWolf wrote:

kingleir wrote:
Yes, you could even still call them Dark Angels. Just tell your opponent what codex you are using before the game.

That is stepping out of line, as it risks confusion.

I'd even advise not to use DA colors, just to further make sure nobody gets confused.


Using the "wrong" models is fine as long the gear is correct and you make the effort that people wont get confused, but not doing so will be a bit douchy of your side.

Colors don't matter, at all.

Most people run their Dark Angels this way this day, due to how terrible the codex is, sadly.

I know that -rule wise- it does not matter and its perfectly fine, but it would still be polite not to make them look like DA, an army that has its own rules, and can be played with pretty much identical models.

 BoomWolf wrote:

kingleir wrote:
Yes, you could even still call them Dark Angels. Just tell your opponent what codex you are using before the game.

That is stepping out of line, as it risks confusion.

I'd even advise not to use DA colors, just to further make sure nobody gets confused.


Using the "wrong" models is fine as long the gear is correct and you make the effort that people wont get confused, but not doing so will be a bit douchy of your side.

How is it douchey to use Space Marines as Space Marines? Just say you are using the vanilla codex and that should be enough.

I've actually considered making a DA army but using the Space Wolf rules. I like the DA aesthetic but would rather play a tac squad heavy army which isn't well suited to either the SM or DA codices.

It's really only a problem if you're using one chapters chapter tactics and ally with a different chapter but all your models are ultramarines.

My suggestion is make your own chapter. Therefore you can claim they're a successor chapter to whatever chapter you wanna play. One week you can be iron hands and the next you can say you're an Ultramarine successor chapter.

The only thing you'll need to be aware of is that dark angels, blood angels and vanilla marines have some equipment and vehicles only available to them.

But when it comes to bikes for instance, it don't matter, they all have bikes. I use several dark angel bikes for my vanilla successor chapter. I just cut off wings and dab on a light coat of green stuff to get rid of some detail.

Jangustus wrote:
Provided that the correct wargear is modelled on the individual models then absolutely fine.

Oh this is so wrong. You don't need correct wargear on the model. Only certain people will DEMAND this, but it's not a necessity with most people.

Just make sure it's clear and obvious what each model is supposed to represent and there should be no issue..

So another question, can I play my ravenwing as white scars ? Of course with khan.

Not a big deal at all. People have been doing that for years and years.

Heck, I have a Blood Angels Terminator army (based on the Space Hulk 3rd ed. minis) that I field as Deathwing, because that's the only way to field a force of Terminators.