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I know an actual former 'Eavy Metal painter (she's did the Golden Daemon entry in the duel category a few years ago with the Seraphim booting the Dark Eldar Wych in the head) and from what I've heard the painting team is pretty much all in house.

So I doubt the claims a bit.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:


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New Templates? What the hell?

6th came out with new templates:

So it's not too unlikely.

True, but they're the same internal dimensions. I'm just hoping I don't need to toss my existing templates.

 azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Hm, my contact says he works for GW as a mini painter (freelance). He frequents the office. He is a GD winner, and has a website. I have mailed things to him, and he mailed things to me. I can't vouch for him working for GW, but he is a GD winner & is in the hobby deep..... Let's hope what he is feeding me is right.

Says he works? Says he works?

So in short, even if this is a legitimate sharing of information, and not an attempt to troll/be the centre of attention, you don't actually know this person in reality, if he exists at all, and he could be simply winding you up?

Yeah....

Thats where the best rumors come from

They will be the same. They bring out new templates with every edition. Different colours and style, but no different size.

I tell you what krazy, on assurances of I'll accept a lifetime ban from Dakka if I post it publicly, PM the link to your source's website, then I can make an informed decision for myself as to if there is any likely substance to what you are/he is saying, and if I agree, I can at least be in a position to support the info.

One would suggest that further discussion with regards to this issue would be better off conducted through Pms if only to avoid cluttering the thread.

If claims don't work out..well....... people'll remember.



Mail Orders in GW stores -- in the UK anyway -- appear to be coming with laminated postcards matching the poster designs seen earlier.

There's one with the chaos marine codex and a " There is only war" heading. Which is labelled 4 of 4.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Hm, my contact says he works for GW as a mini painter (freelance). He frequents the office. He is a GD winner, and has a website. I have mailed things to him, and he mailed things to me. I can't vouch for him working for GW, but he is a GD winner & is in the hobby deep..... Let's hope what he is feeding me is right.

C ' Mon guys I know someone out there can narrow this down pretty quick.

Help us figure out who it is if 'they' exist at all.

Just a thought: why would someone who paints models be privy to pricing information before a release, especially on stuff he doesn't need to paint like cards and templates?

Just my salt kicking in.

That said this keeps up and I need more salt:

Seeing as how this is a rumor thread, my conversation has been about the rumors. "not having the new rulebook" is a stupid argument because this whole thread is about...you guessed it, the rumors. I'm not doing a hive mind negativism. I was white knighting GW until very recently. (though I always criticized the chaos dex because it was flat and boring with some unplayable units.) I love 40k and have been playing since RT times. I'm not frothing at the mouth angry and I'm not irrational. If you can't see my argument for anything more than whining or "GW hatin'" then you probably don't need to read the rest because you won't see anything except what you want to see. But if you're interested in learning why I think the way I do, then please read on.

So, assuming the rumors are true and that I can go for a pickup game and the guy there has his all heldrake army and I have my SOB tac army, then this edition will not be fun for me and I will move on to other games.

The one positive note that I see is that it'll separate the types of players that I don't like from the ones that I do enjoy playing against. Chances are, the player with his riptide army (And if you think for a second there won't be people out there with those, you're delusional.) isn't the kind of player I'd want to play against anyways. So, when I go to my store for a game, I can see the unbound players and set them aside. I frankly don't care what their armies are, I have no desire to play against them.

Here's why.

It was quite a few pages back but someone basically made the argument: "It doesn't matter if someone brought in an all Riptide army because you can just counter that with an all Devastator army!" There's a few things wrong with that. It means then that the Riptide player won't have fun because the game is one sided and if that's how all games will be then it's guaranteed that one or both players will not have fun. That's not a good game.

Second. It means that you either have to tailor each game or risk being swept off the board by the end of turn two. Not fun.

Third. This also means that you'll have to buy a lot more models of certain kinds to beat that riptide list. I don't know about you but I don't have a whole army of devastators lying around. If its heldrake spam, I'll have to buy a gak ton of AA which I currently don't have (And Sisters STILL don't have access to.) So I have to know ahead of time what the opponent is playing, go out and buy a crap load of new stuff (the hobby) and then win against them without trying. Or, bring my normal army and face the heldrake army and get wiped off the board.

As as been mentioned before, these are black and white examples that won't come up much but they aren't unrealistic and when they do occur they're not fun unless you like winning without a challenge in which case I suggest going back to picking on your little brother.

The problem is the grey areas where the guy shows up with his unbound army that isn't riptide spam that he thinks is fair and fluffy. An unbound army by nature is going to be unbalanced which means the chances of total loss or total victory have increased. Which for me means the chances of a less fun game have increased. If you like the idea of either winning totally or being completely steam rolled, then perhaps 7th ed is indeed for you. Different strokes for different folks.

So, automatically I won't be playing against unbound armies. Which means that If I play against someone with a bound army, chances are they have at least a desire for a balanced game where the game isn't decided before the first dice roll. So my player pool has shrunk but the quality of players has gone up within that given player pool.
I'm not a tournament player and have never wanted to be. What I do want is a fair game where both players have a chance of winning.

Do I have reason to be optimistic? Not really. At most it seems the latest GW books have been sideways moves with a few backwards ones. (Nids) The IG dex was pretty good, but they took away too many units including many characters for no reason. There's a lot of ctrl+C, ctrl+P going on at the GW headquarters so I don't expect a lot of originality with 7th. I expect a lot of the same old fluff, art and photos as before, only with a higher price tag. Assuming the rumored $100 for the book is true, I'm not getting it. It's not that I can afford it or that its a waste of money or whatever, I won't get it because I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to buy expensive books every two years. I just bought the warmachine book for $35 and it's lasted longer than two years.

Many of the codices have been criticized as bland and boring lately. So, arbitrary changes, copy and paste, not addressing serious play issues, and boring books does not inspire me to assume that this 7th is going to be great. I'd put it on the side of the "this edition is going to be great" for them to justify their optimism, but maybe such things are too subjective to do so. For me, I see no reason to be optimistic. If you thought the Nid dex was a fantastic work of originality, depth, fun and fluffy rules and competitiveness, then yes, you have ample reason to be optimistic about 7th.

On a personal note, GW refuses to support the main army I play, Sisters of Battle. They have a dex but it's digital only with no new units added and the figures being a decade old and very expensive. So that's one more nail in the coffin for me. AA would have been nice or maybe if they hadn't arbitrarily nerfed the two weakest units in the army to the point of uselessness I'd have higher hope. Such moronic moves show me that GW doesn't actually play their own game or they just don't care. (There are many more examples but I won't bother because most people know the many offenders already.)

So, again, going off the rumors because that's all we have because GW takes a Soviet Iron Curtain approach to PR, I don't believe this edition is going to be a step up for me. I'll keep playing but I'll probably be switching over to Warmachine for the time being. I still love 40k, but GW is ruining it. (I haven't even gotten into their shady and often counter-productive business practices.) I hope the meta at my local store won't change too badly because I'll still want to bring my SOB or IF armies in for a fight, but the chances of that fight being good have dropped.

 reds8n wrote:




Mail Orders in GW stores -- in the UK anyway -- appear to be coming with laminated postcards matching the poster designs seen earlier.

There's one with the chaos marine codex and a " There is only war" heading. Which is labelled 4 of 4.

So we have "There is no Time for Peace" (Commissar), "No Respite" (Knight) and "There is only War" (CSM). Only "No Forgiveness" left.

Wall of Text Crits you for over 50% of your Health.

Roll Fortitude Save or fall Unconscious.

 easysauce wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

It doesn't matter if the new edition has a gold flake cover, the point is still the same- the cost barrier of entry continues to rise at a significant rate.

There is no pessimism or optimism on the lifespan of the 6th edition, it has lasted literally half the time of any previous edition. Compounded with the higher cost of the 7th (no matter what awesomeness it could possibly be), and I don't think there is any way to say this is....er, great news. .

so then you consider the ork codex, that is 4th ed, to be of more value then any other codex, because it has lasted so long.... hey less $ per year! awesome! because everyone was lauding how awesome it was to only have to buy one ork dex over the past million years and complaining that they had to buy a new SM dex every edition...

The #1 complaint I was hearing pre 6th was about the long wait times between rules/codex updates.

Now we get updates at a good pace to bring everything into the same "era" and people complain non stop that they cant use their codex/BRB for XXXX years.

(and 100% it is not even confirmed your rule book is unusable, combined with FAQ/errata it may very well be usuable still...)

Hey easy, I wanted to make sure I addressed this:

I think the Ork codex has been great value!

My belief is that what people are asking for when they call for a quicker release schedule is relevance of their armies.

When a consensus builds that a particular army is not very competitive on the tabletop, people start hoping that a new edition will be released to rectify this and bring their army back into relevance- back into winning (a fair number of) games, having something unique to their army, and so forth. Some armies like the Orks have been lucky and have maintained relevance throughout these last few editions. Sure the book is a bit lopsided, but Orks have been shown to hold their own a reasonable amount of time. Allies have dampened that a bit (as with all forces that don't have BB allies), but I don't think Orks have ever been considered objectively bad. This has kept some people from clamoring for a new book, because the one they have works pretty well! And all a new book would do it shake up the internal balance and add a little new artwork, so that is why I don't think a new book for them is as big of a deal.

Could the Orks have received an update by now? Sure, that wouldn't have been an issue, they lasted past a minimum average time for codex lifespan (I'm not sure what that is but I'm guessing it's a couple of years).

What I want from new releases (and again this is me personally) is substance to the release. I don't like releases like C: Militarum Tempestus, which takes an already established unit from an army, gives it a couple of rules tweaks and additional background, and is priced at regular codex cost levels. I'm not rallying against people buying it, that's their own decision, but I think that there is a distinct lack of substance to a release like this, especially when there are many forces that are entirely neglected (i.e. Sisters, Orks).

And if it ends up being the case that this release is backwards compatible with the 6th edition codex, I will GW credit where credit is due and post saying I am happy that they did not obsolete the LE rulebooks loyal customers bought a couple of years ago. I'm not a GW hatemonger or anything, I just have certain expectations of them as a customer that I apply to any miniature company I buy from.

Anyway, I hope that makes sense.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
496 pages. That is the new page count. Or so I'm told.

Is that told to you by the same guy who has spectacularly failed to provide you with a single accurate piece of information about anything unless it is after an official announcement?

No, that was my Memphis GW employee. I'm txting my contact in London who is in GW HQ. He paints the minis we see in WD and stuff...


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GW HQ is not in London. Also, if you leave clues that enable GW management to identify your friend, he may lose his job.

Don't be silly, Kilkrazy, nobody loses their jobs over silly things people say on the internet! They're totally anonymous!

/sarcasm.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Seeing as how this is a rumor thread, my conversation has been about the rumors. "not having the new rulebook" is a stupid argument because this whole thread is about...you guessed it, the rumors. I'm not doing a hive mind negativism. I was white knighting GW until very recently. (though I always criticized the chaos dex because it was flat and boring with some unplayable units.) I love 40k and have been playing since RT times. I'm not frothing at the mouth angry and I'm not irrational. If you can't see my argument for anything more than whining or "GW hatin'" then you probably don't need to read the rest because you won't see anything except what you want to see. But if you're interested in learning why I think the way I do, then please read on.

So, assuming the rumors are true and that I can go for a pickup game and the guy there has his all heldrake army and I have my SOB tac army, then this edition will not be fun for me and I will move on to other games.

The one positive note that I see is that it'll separate the types of players that I don't like from the ones that I do enjoy playing against. Chances are, the player with his riptide army (And if you think for a second there won't be people out there with those, you're delusional.) isn't the kind of player I'd want to play against anyways. So, when I go to my store for a game, I can see the unbound players and set them aside. I frankly don't care what their armies are, I have no desire to play against them.

Here's why.

It was quite a few pages back but someone basically made the argument: "It doesn't matter if someone brought in an all Riptide army because you can just counter that with an all Devastator army!" There's a few things wrong with that. It means then that the Riptide player won't have fun because the game is one sided and if that's how all games will be then it's guaranteed that one or both players will not have fun. That's not a good game.

Second. It means that you either have to tailor each game or risk being swept off the board by the end of turn two. Not fun.

Third. This also means that you'll have to buy a lot more models of certain kinds to beat that riptide list. I don't know about you but I don't have a whole army of devastators lying around. If its heldrake spam, I'll have to buy a gak ton of AA which I currently don't have (And Sisters STILL don't have access to.) So I have to know ahead of time what the opponent is playing, go out and buy a crap load of new stuff (the hobby) and then win against them without trying. Or, bring my normal army and face the heldrake army and get wiped off the board.

As as been mentioned before, these are black and white examples that won't come up much but they aren't unrealistic and when they do occur they're not fun unless you like winning without a challenge in which case I suggest going back to picking on your little brother.

The problem is the grey areas where the guy shows up with his unbound army that isn't riptide spam that he thinks is fair and fluffy. An unbound army by nature is going to be unbalanced which means the chances of total loss or total victory have increased. Which for me means the chances of a less fun game have increased. If you like the idea of either winning totally or being completely steam rolled, then perhaps 7th ed is indeed for you. Different strokes for different folks.

So, automatically I won't be playing against unbound armies. Which means that If I play against someone with a bound army, chances are they have at least a desire for a balanced game where the game isn't decided before the first dice roll. So my player pool has shrunk but the quality of players has gone up within that given player pool.
I'm not a tournament player and have never wanted to be. What I do want is a fair game where both players have a chance of winning.

Do I have reason to be optimistic? Not really. At most it seems the latest GW books have been sideways moves with a few backwards ones. (Nids) The IG dex was pretty good, but they took away too many units including many characters for no reason. There's a lot of ctrl+C, ctrl+P going on at the GW headquarters so I don't expect a lot of originality with 7th. I expect a lot of the same old fluff, art and photos as before, only with a higher price tag. Assuming the rumored $100 for the book is true, I'm not getting it. It's not that I can afford it or that its a waste of money or whatever, I won't get it because I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to buy expensive books every two years. I just bought the warmachine book for $35 and it's lasted longer than two years.

Many of the codices have been criticized as bland and boring lately. So, arbitrary changes, copy and paste, not addressing serious play issues, and boring books does not inspire me to assume that this 7th is going to be great. I'd put it on the side of the "this edition is going to be great" for them to justify their optimism, but maybe such things are too subjective to do so. For me, I see no reason to be optimistic. If you thought the Nid dex was a fantastic work of originality, depth, fun and fluffy rules and competitiveness, then yes, you have ample reason to be optimistic about 7th.

On a personal note, GW refuses to support the main army I play, Sisters of Battle. They have a dex but it's digital only with no new units added and the figures being a decade old and very expensive. So that's one more nail in the coffin for me. AA would have been nice or maybe if they hadn't arbitrarily nerfed the two weakest units in the army to the point of uselessness I'd have higher hope. Such moronic moves show me that GW doesn't actually play their own game or they just don't care. (There are many more examples but I won't bother because most people know the many offenders already.)

So, again, going off the rumors because that's all we have because GW takes a Soviet Iron Curtain approach to PR, I don't believe this edition is going to be a step up for me. I'll keep playing but I'll probably be switching over to Warmachine for the time being. I still love 40k, but GW is ruining it. (I haven't even gotten into their shady and often counter-productive business practices.) I hope the meta at my local store won't change too badly because I'll still want to bring my SOB or IF armies in for a fight, but the chances of that fight being good have dropped.

TL DR (try not to clog things up with too many real world examples boss)

The hopeful limitation still falls to psychic ability... this has been a game balancer for fantasy in that outrageous spell casters launch spells that could potentially pull the battle to insane levels of comedy in dice rolling... ALAS, the opponent is able to block my psychic ability... oops... it'll be curious to see if this mechanic carries over... I love seeing those 6's rolled while playing dwarves, it would be no different in 40K lol

I think GW can get away with not releasing / addressing issues with Orks because those who play them are generally more laid back and play them for the fun of Orks.

They've been a side project due to their lack of MEQ models. They've always been a pain for TAC lists: tons of AP2 anti-tank weaponry? Here shoot some grots. Really the only thing helping keep Orks playable (not viable) is the new Toughness rule for bikes, allowing allies, and allowing Lootas to snap fire after movement and Going to Ground. And with everyone but Orks (seems like) getting good, reliable ignores cover, the one hall mark of Orks is completely obliterated.

Personally I would love to hear what GW's reasons as to why they do anything. Other than to make things "more exciting".

I don't wish them anything bad but if they don't listen to their customers, they will go extinct. Hell, reading Dakka, BoLS, etc should be a full time job for someone at GW. We're providing them with very valuable customer feedback, daily, for free!

Other companies have whole divisions dedicated to trying to figure what their customers wants are.

So no convo about breaking up the Bros4Lyfe Marines/Tau?

EDIT: eh, maybe not polite

@MWHistorian: I understand where you're coming from. I would really like this edition to be a step-up in the game, and it very well may be, but the stuff talked about in regards to some of the army mechanics (more than the psychic phases which I don't have a problem with) is discouraging.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Blegh double post

Locked themselves in a room with Cruddace?
That doesn't sound good.

..."I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with ME!"

"desperate alliance" sounds a lot like "allies of desperation"

"sideways glances" and "shifty manoeuvres" sounds like some of the stuff from "one eye open"

Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

Doesnt look like that 4 VP is based off of model wounds, though MCs being worth more VPS does make more sense

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

I have a feeling the 4 VP is from an amalgamation of things that result in it being worth that much at the time not in general.

I hope the rule is something like "for every full 50 points in a units cost it is worth 1 VP when destroyed fully. Units that cost less than 50 points award 1 VP when fully destroyed. "

Or something similar. And only for purge the alien.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

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So no convo about breaking up the Bros4Lyfe Marines/Tau?

Thanks for posting that Wren. Personally I would be very happy, if just from a fluff perspective, if Space Marines weren't Battle Brothers with Tau.

Although I would still like a toning down of BB overall to prevent some of the shenanigans between some armies (i.e. Dark Eldar and Eldar, etc.).

If Battle Brothers are really going to be changed around to be a bit more realistic then it bodes well.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
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I believe the thought is the "shifty looks" being exchanged between the Marines and the Tau have people hoping that they're now Distrusted Allies.

hope not. Tau/SM was my army of choice. Gonna wait this new book before buying SM stuff

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I hope the rule is something like "for every full 50 points in a units cost it is worth 1 VP when destroyed fully. Units that cost less than 50 points award 1 VP when fully destroyed. "

Or something similar. And only for purge the alien.

This would be interesting. that way everyone has basically the same amount of VPs instead of some of the insanely lopsided VP totals in games against deathstars. I don't see why we can't go back to the 3rd (4th maybe? my memory fails me) edition way of doing the Purge the Alien equivalent: When you destroy a model or unit you score points equal to that model or unit's cost. When you bring a unit below half strength or half of its total wounds, you get half as many points as that unit or model cost. Simple enough.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

I have a feeling the 4 VP is from an amalgamation of things that result in it being worth that much at the time not in general.

It could be worth 3 easily under 6th rules,

Slay The Warlord
Purge The Alien
Warlord Trait that awards bonus VPs for killing other warlord

All you have to find is one more from the Strategy Cards and there your answer.

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

I have a feeling the 4 VP is from an amalgamation of things that result in it being worth that much at the time not in general.

It could be worth 3 easily under 6th rules,

Slay The Warlord
Purge The Alien
Warlord Trait that awards bonus VPs for killing other warlord

All you have to find is one more from the Strategy Cards and there your answer.

Or First Blood.

Riptides aren't Warlords though.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

I have a feeling the 4 VP is from an amalgamation of things that result in it being worth that much at the time not in general.

It could be worth 3 easily under 6th rules,

Slay The Warlord
Purge The Alien
Warlord Trait that awards bonus VPs for killing other warlord

All you have to find is one more from the Strategy Cards and there your answer.

Or First Blood.

Riptides aren't Warlords though.

They might be in Unbound lists? Who knows, really?