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2014/05/13 16:08:04
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
GuardStrider wrote: I am kind of surprised they didn't release a new set to get some extra money from the mini collectors.
That won't drop until next fiscal year and won't help this years bottom line.
The fact that they don't have a new set of models to run a new starter set is another indicator that this was a rush to get a new rule book out to affect sales and not a thought out release. I'm wondering how many(if any) differences there will be to the fluff and painting sections compared to 6th ed. It would be very easy to separate the three sections into different bindings and only make changes to the rules portion.
But the rules were "Gently Massaged" due to "gamer feedback" over "Thousands of games"!
That's love, right there.
Our group must be out of it then. Because I have never heard anyone, since Second Edition, say - "we really need the ability to summon Greater Daemons"!
2014/05/13 16:09:01
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Sir Arun wrote: GW being GW, they will never sell the books individually.
However, at least GW arent complete douchenozzles this time around, and the idea of splitting the core BRB into 3 individual parts is GOOD IDEA as this means you no longer have to lug a 500 page hardback around to every game.
Nah they'll wait 6 months, forcing you to buy or pirate it to stay current. Group buy the rulebook with some friends and make some colour binded photocopy versions or "reference copies" 100% legal. Done, you stuck it to GW and you get your game. Everybody wins. Or digitally just group buy the rulebook and use a generic apple ID with 10 of your friends. Everyone gets the book, you pay $6 for a codex (less with the fact iTunes cards go on sale constantly).
Moral of the story is stop paying full price like a sucker.
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/05/13 16:10:54
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Ratius wrote: Im actually really fething excited by 7th, absolutely loving the new objective card idea and psychic phase, a lovely homage to 2nd ed.
Bring it on for me
I am more reserved. Psychic was a complete mess in second edition and it seems we are getting that back in spades (now with daemon summoning).
I have a sinking suspicion that psychers are now about to dominate the battefield.
The biggest issue, for me, anyways, was the power cards in second were what issued you your Nullify cards, so if you were screwed over by the deck (or your opponent got fething Ultimate Force) then you got owned.
This new system seems to prevent all that, so I'm quite keen.
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Ratius wrote: Im actually really fething excited by 7th, absolutely loving the new objective card idea and psychic phase, a lovely homage to 2nd ed.
Bring it on for me
I am more reserved. Psychic was a complete mess in second edition and it seems we are getting that back in spades (now with daemon summoning).
I have a sinking suspicion that psychers are now about to dominate the battefield.
Yayyy let's make the flying circus even better!
In all seriousness though I'm more intrigued than I am excited, I just want to see what comes out of the new edition and how much different the game is on the table but am afraid of how bad it could be.
2014/05/13 16:14:49
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
I have a sinking suspicion that psychers are now about to dominate the battefield.
Yayyy let's make the flying circus even better! :
If this need 4+'s equal to warp charge on dice to cast is true, they will be substantially worse.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2014/05/13 16:16:31
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2014/05/13 16:17:05
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Megalith games, Godslayer game split there books into rules in one and background into another. It's a great idea and I can see other companies following suit.
2014/05/13 16:17:33
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
I think the new covers are appropriate for each book. You buy the fluff for the imperium of man's struggle(space marine), you get into the hobby for well detailed miniatures(like the DV helbrute). And you disect the rules like the master surgeon Urien. I'm liking the detailed sketch over the simplified background. Looks keen to me.
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
IF it roll's a 6 when generating powers at the start of the battle, and IF it can roll at least 3 4+'s during the psychic phase, after the opponent subtracts all 4+'s that have been denied.
Also we have no word on how peril's of the warp works - but in this case the psyker dies if the power goes off, so perils won't matter if some 1's sneak into it's psychic roll i guess.
Bottom line? I think it's possible, but we don't quite know how it all works together just yet and there might be something we're not seeing here that would prevent this from happening.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2014/05/13 16:22:28
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
That is of course if daemons get daemonology....
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/05/13 16:25:49
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
I have a sinking suspicion that psychers are now about to dominate the battefield.
Yayyy let's make the flying circus even better!
If this need 4+'s equal to warp charge on dice to cast is true, they will be substantially worse.
The comment was mostly a joke, but...
I'm guessing the rules for Tzeentch Daemons psychic test bonuses will be changed, otherwise the +3 LD will be completely useless as it only affects psychic powers and nothing else. The Psychic Phase invalidates a handful of rules that are in current codices, so it's gonna be a bit of a mess if there isn't a built in errata/FAQ to correct some of that stuff. If the 4+ to activate powers rumor is true, I could see Tzeentch Daemons having it bumped down to a better roll, or the roll getting better with Mastery Level like DTW supposedly will.
The flying circus and Seer Council will probably come out worse, but the sheer numerical advantage in dice during the psychic phase over pretty much any other army is hilarious. Also, be honest, when playing a circus do you really need every single random power you end up with? You typically have about 9-15 rolls on various tables depending on your list, and half of them will probably be situational or crappy (on the current tables at least). There are usually a few key things you need to make use of, and I doubt another psychic army is going to have a ton of dice to throw at you to deny if they want to use any of their own powers (could work differently, I dunno). We still don't know for sure if you can attempt to DTW against blessings, or whether or not this ML4 DTW on a 3+ against anything you cast is true.
We also still have no idea what other psychic powers have changed/remained/disappeared, so yes I agree they will probably come out worse off than they were, but this is all just hearsay at this point.
2014/05/13 16:44:16
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Sinful Hero wrote: I think the new covers are appropriate for each book. You buy the fluff for the imperium of man's struggle(space marine), you get into the hobby for well detailed miniatures(like the DV helbrute). And you disect the rules like the master surgeon Urien. I'm liking the detailed sketch over the simplified background. Looks keen to me.
Surely you mean Urien reflects the complete horror of the jumbled mess of broken and ruined parts forged into an unholy yet somehow functioning wholeness that is called the rules?
2014/05/13 16:45:33
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
That is of course if daemons get daemonology....
Someone earlier mentioned that the WD states "everyone except Tyranids" gets it.
So I assume Daemons have access to Malefic Daemonology...
If true it opens up a compounding problem. An ever growing amount of daemons, and spawning ML 3 heralds that can turn themselves into greater daemons. All with the potential of having 2++ rerollable saves.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/05/13 16:48:37
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
That is of course if daemons get daemonology....
Someone earlier mentioned that the WD states "everyone except Tyranids" gets it.
So I assume Daemons have access to Malefic Daemonology...
If true it opens up a compounding problem. An ever growing amount of daemons, and spawning ML 3 heralds that can turn themselves into greater daemons. All with the potential of having 2++ rerollable saves.
You can't make an ML3 herald with 30pts (I think it said 30, scan was sort of bad) of upgrades IIRC, so there will be no endless chain of GDs running around.
2014/05/13 16:48:43
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
Great. The new edition didn't even arrive and we allready have exploits. So a Lord of Change can sacrifice himself to get another Lord of Change at full hitpoints...
I just hope they redo some of the greater demons. The bloodthirster is such an outdated sculpt, it hurts just from looking at it...
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Souleater wrote: I was really hoping that the BA Vs Orks starter was going to be true. I will be disappointed if they continue with the Horus Heresy for beginners box.
HH in the beginners box? Expensive FW modells in a starter kit? Did I miss something? I think you mean Dark Vengeance...
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2014/05/13 16:53:39
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
Sinful Hero wrote: I think the new covers are appropriate for each book. You buy the fluff for the imperium of man's struggle(space marine), you get into the hobby for well detailed miniatures(like the DV helbrute). And you disect the rules like the master surgeon Urien. I'm liking the detailed sketch over the simplified background. Looks keen to me.
Surely you mean Urien reflects the complete horror of the jumbled mess of broken and ruined parts forged into an unholy yet somehow functioning wholeness that is called the rules?
Oh, how silly of me! Thank you for the correction!
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
Great. The new edition didn't even arrive and we allready have exploits. So a Lord of Change can sacrifice himself to get another Lord of Change at full hitpoints...
I just hope they redo some of the greater demons. The bloodthirster is such an outdated sculpt, it hurts just from looking at it...
It's been said a few times already, but it's a bit early to get worked up about this. We don't know the rules for conjured units yet, we don't know if they have to DS onto the field, or if they're placed and can act normally. The sky isn't falling ... yet
Jidmah wrote: So, a Lord of Change can sacrifice itself to summon a Bloodthirster?
Potentially.
Or, even more heretically, a Great Unclean One.
Great. The new edition didn't even arrive and we allready have exploits. So a Lord of Change can sacrifice himself to get another Lord of Change at full hitpoints...
I just hope they redo some of the greater demons. The bloodthirster is such an outdated sculpt, it hurts just from looking at it...
From how it appears you won't be able to give them any gifts if you do that. A LoC without ML3, 2 greater, and 1 lesser gift isn't that big of a deal tbh, that's what makes them more durable and killy. Obviously it still sucks that they'll possibly be able to jump back to 5W, but remember they have to roll this specific power and would then lose out on at least 1 more that they might have wanted from Divination/Change. Not a reliable or sound strategy tbh, more of a lucky late game gimmick.
2014/05/13 17:01:04
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post, updated 5/13
oni wrote: Who cares about the damn slip case... I still have to see that complete abortion of a cover on my rulebook.
Art being called an "abortion", really?
And it's not like you can't put another cover over it. Say make a protective cover out of a paper bag for instance. Or printing something you prefer and pasting it over it.
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