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 zachwho wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 zachwho wrote:
has the fmc change about assault been confirmed, or still just rumor?

Thus far I have seen no confirmation. It seems like a ludicrous change, basically ending all assaults for FMCs.

that rule alone would probably make me rage quit.

Last week I saw someone say "maybe they'll balance out the grounding rules by..." And that's it. So far, no one who has seen the book has reported that, as far as I've seen. It's possible, but I personally think it's BS.

<-- Black Templar player.


Kill the psychers!

 Red Corsair wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:
CSM get divination now! Dont have to rely on a single crimson slaughter sorcerer anymore!

Yea sadly the prescience revolution continues with even greater access

I still find it funny that so much attention is at using 2-3 powers to get a better invuln in here when invisibility literally just avoids being hit to begin with. Even had S D not been nerfed, it would have made seer councils immune.

Seriously no one else is concerned with the power ramp on invisibility?

My markerlights aren't.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also it seems Adamantium Will is a denial buff so it's not like Sisters are completely screwed.

It seems Adamantium Will only works against powers that target enemy units, and therefore do nothing to fix the horrible gakky gak of terribly bad stuff that can happens due to combining multiple blessings. Or even just using biomancy on a MC.
The condemnor boltgun would be nice if it did not have to hit then wound then failed saves then allocated to a psycher before doing anything, all while being one shot only per game.

As someone who gets purposefully shafted by the rules, still, it does seem like 1-2 disciplines, again, really stand out among the others. But alas, since when does GW know how to write rules.

 kronk wrote:
<-- Black Templar player.


Kill the psychers!

< Grey Knight player

We're still cool right?

The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

Invisibility just made Be'lakor even MORE of a must take.

In this case the rule book probably adds to the codex, they still have access to those disciplines but also have access to the others.

 warboss wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm really not liking how Psychic stuff is turning into a Fantasy-esque thing in terms of functionality and power. Not having a Psyker looks to be very detrimental in 7E, and there's *huge* numbers of factions in the game where there inclusion would be contrary to fluff.

Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Sisters. That's 4. Not really "huge".

Also it seems Adamantium Will is a denial buff so it's not like Sisters are completely screwed.

Khornate Chaos and Black Templars.

Which are both part of codexes that have Psykers in them so I'm not counting them. I was only counting actual codexes.

Though I should add "Imperial Knights" to the list I guess.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also it seems Adamantium Will is a denial buff so it's not like Sisters are completely screwed.

It seems Adamantium Will only works against powers that target enemy units, and therefore do nothing to fix the horrible gakky gak of terribly bad stuff that can happens due to combining multiple blessings. Or even just using biomancy on a MC.

Suck. Still, helping to deny psychic powers cast on my units will help.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 kronk wrote:
<-- Black Templar player.


Kill the psychers!

< Grey Knight player

We're still cool right?

*Rolls dice*

NOT TODAY! Blam, blam, blam! Forge that narrative, baby!

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

I think they do otherwise , why would some of those other armies have that listed? For example Chaos Space Marines or Space Marines. Who knows though but we do know they have Access to Malifec.

Also why would Eldar be listed?

Im sure in the FAQ it will.

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

I'm going to assume that the rulebook will make note of whom can take what. That, OR, a Day 1 or 2 FAQ.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm really not liking how Psychic stuff is turning into a Fantasy-esque thing in terms of functionality and power. Not having a Psyker looks to be very detrimental in 7E, and there's *huge* numbers of factions in the game where there inclusion would be contrary to fluff.

Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Sisters. That's 4. Not really "huge".

There's also various SM chapters and IG regiments that would fall under this, Khornate CSM's and Daemons, etc. Knights have no integrated psychic support (they could take allies, but having to take allies to counter a built in game phase feels...very wrong). But even just staying at 4, that's still pretty big.

If we really want to go down the road of listing every single faction that doesn't normally use psykers we could be here all day. There are only 6 Codexes (I'd forgotten Legion of the Damned and Imperial Knights before) with no Psykers in them. Now if you play a codex with Psykers and choose to not use them it's hardly the codexes fault now is it?

Also it seems Adamantium Will is a denial buff so it's not like Sisters are completely screwed.

That'll help them, but not really anyone else.

Black Templars.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:
CSM get divination now! Dont have to rely on a single crimson slaughter sorcerer anymore!

Yea sadly the prescience revolution continues with even greater access

I still find it funny that so much attention is at using 2-3 powers to get a better invuln in here when invisibility literally just avoids being hit to begin with. Even had S D not been nerfed, it would have made seer councils immune.

Seriously no one else is concerned with the power ramp on invisibility?

I'm just imaging a Jetseer council with Shrouded +Jink+Fortune+Invisibility on it.

I'd just pack up I think.

If they don't have access to it then there would be no point to including Eldar on that Quick Reference Chart at all.

Notice that they didn't put Tyranids or Dark Eldar or other races that did not have access to those powers on there.

Eldar have access to those powers now. Otherwise they'd have left them off like the Nids.

Same with Daemonlogy.

You still get d6 dice to DtW and if you are truly worried about Psykers you can always ally in as many Inquisitors as you want with null rods. Poof youre immune.

So Invisibility on a Knight would be hilarious

Hollismason wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

I think they do otherwise , why would some of those other armies have that listed? For example Chaos Space Marines or Space Marines. Who knows though but we do know they have Access to Malifec.

Also why would Eldar be listed?

We need an FAQ since the chart doesn't specify which psykers can take which schools, example here being warlocks and farseers, regular grey knights and gk libbys, or simply tigurius and sm psykers.

. At least just for that there should be either info on the rulebook(which would be a bit silly since it can go obsolete with a codex change) or an faq just like the one we had when 6th came.

Also that reference chart could just be wrong, I would not be surprised at all of GW making something that is completely fething useless.



Invisibility on a Seer Star is pretty much end game.

Invisibility on anything is CRAZY TOWN

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So Invisibility on a Knight would be hilarious

CREEEEEEED!

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

You can't be serious.

He is serious and don't call him Can't.

Oh, Thousand Sons..... Let's do this.

So my local GW guy just turned down a $100 bribe to give me my book today. Oh well, it seems other people got thiers so maybe they can share the goods.

NamelessBard wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

You can't be serious.

Last edition, they put out an FAQ within 24 hours that specified who exactly got access to what. Expect the same, but it is hinting that Chaos will get Divination.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm really not liking how Psychic stuff is turning into a Fantasy-esque thing in terms of functionality and power. Not having a Psyker looks to be very detrimental in 7E, and there's *huge* numbers of factions in the game where there inclusion would be contrary to fluff.

Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Sisters. That's 4. Not really "huge".

There's also various SM chapters and IG regiments that would fall under this, Khornate CSM's and Daemons, etc. Knights have no integrated psychic support (they could take allies, but having to take allies to counter a built in game phase feels...very wrong). But even just staying at 4, that's still pretty big.

If we really want to go down the road of listing every single faction that doesn't normally use psykers we could be here all day. There are only 6 Codexes (I'd forgotten Legion of the Damned and Imperial Knights before) with no Psykers in them. Now if you play a codex with Psykers and choose to not use them it's hardly the codexes fault now is it?

I would add Farsight enclave also. Still Tau but also a seperate codex now.

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

By that logic, no armies can take demonology psychic disciplines, because the codex doesn't list it...

I think its quite obvious that the chart is referencing the new psychic discipline a availability. CSM has divination.

NamelessBard wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The question is whether we will see an FAQ specifying that certain psykers have access to the different powers or not. Just because the reference card says Chaos has divination, that doesn't override the sorceror's codex entry that specifies what tables they may roll on.

You can't be serious.

There are 3 psychers in the Imperial Guard codex. They do not all have access to the same powers. Why would you assume that ALL Imperial Guard types of psychers get both Sanctic and Maelfic?

<--- Expects a Day 1 or Day 2 FAQ with which psychers get which powers.

Maybe that all get it. That's perfectly fine. But don't assume anything.

*Cough*Chaos Knights*Cough*