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Yeah, the one time I played against the doom, it showed up, ate a squad of guardsmen, puffed up to W10 and was immediately blown apart by one of the 20 meltaguns chilling out nearby.

Yeah, an anecdote, exactly like we're talking about, but no amount of anecdoting one way or another can erase T4 with no EW.

Kain wrote:Hand of the king 44 right?

Yup.

Scipio Africanus wrote:Can I quote you on that?

Sure. I used to even make the mistake myself, and for the same reasons.

40k is a complicated game, but it is possible to deconstruct it. You don't strictly need data points when you have a rulebook and statistics. I think that because the game is so complicated, and takes a little while to get a feel for, that new players don't have much to rely on other than a few in-game experiences until they can learn the rules well enough.

But, I mean, we could have an entire other thread posted to deconstruction errors, like assuming that more special rules always = better, or that having more special rules always = overpriced.

Oh, there's also the story of the first flyer I faced. It was a storm talon in a 500 point game so I brought no anti air.

I tossed two krak grenades at it and it went down (though in all fairness it was hovering for the second one) so only one of them was a snap shot.

"ATSKNF is worthless." <- Said because the person in question doesn't get any utility out of it because of the meta they play in where their opponents basically completely annihilate a squad completely before so they don't get to use it.

An interesting experience of mine was when my opponent in a 600 point tournament stated the following : "Sisters of Battle are overpowered."
His justification for this was that since an exorcist can potentially fire 6 S8 AP1 missiles per turn for 125 points, the whole army list was brokenly overpowered. Coming from a Tau player.

...to be fair, it did actually fire six missiles every turn that game, but it only lasted for three turns.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"ATSKNF is worthless." <- Said because the person in question doesn't get any utility out of it because of the meta they play in where their opponents basically completely annihilate a squad completely before so they don't get to use it.

I still say it's an incredibly overrated ability. Not worthless per se, but not making meq's playable, either.

I suppose this is also especially true for really streaky weapons. 40k already laughs in the face of the law of large numbers, but it laughs a little harder at some things than others.

I overheard a tau player (before new dex) complaining because his opponent brought three deathstrikes, and all fired turn 2 and pretty much tabled him. The one time, a few months later, I gave the 3x deathstrike list a try, none of the three fired turn 2, and neither of the survivors fired turn 3. Then on turn 4, the deathstrike didn't fire because I rolled a 1, and my opponent decided not to shoot at it that turn as a sign of pity. Turn 5 it finally got to fire and kill like a half dozen guardsmen in bitter, bitter rage for the failure of the entire HS section that game.

I remember arguing with someone about their Tau Army taking down 5 IK over the course of about 4 turns.

Some of the highlights included: 1.) 2 Skyrays alpha striking and taking down one IK and dealing 2-3 HP to another 2.) The opponent almost never facing the shield towards the obvious threat 3.) Getting stuck in CC with Firewarriors for three rounds because he didn't know what Stomp was 4.) A Skyray ramming the final IK and wrecking it.

"I don't know why you bother using Eldar Guardians, their terrible range makes them useless against most armies. You should field Rangers."

 koooaei wrote:
MEQ are bad cause 3+ means nothing.

"My marines shouldn't need to use cover, I pay points to get that 3+ save."

"And I pay points for my Leman Russ so that I can take out your marines."

"And terminators are terribad."

"My demolisher/plasma guns have 24 inch range and are the only counters that I have to your terminators, now that power weapons are only AP3."

""And terminators are terribad."

This is mathematically true.

 TheSilo wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
MEQ are bad cause 3+ means nothing.

"My marines shouldn't need to use cover, I pay points to get that 3+ save."

"And I pay points for my Leman Russ so that I can take out your marines."

"And terminators are terribad."

"My demolisher/plasma guns have 24 inch range and are the only counters that I have to your terminators, now that power weapons are only AP3."

None of these are anecdotes.

Not heard, but I passed about 4-5 6+ FNP agaisnt a... Mawloc I think, therefore the DKoK Quartermaster is the best thing since sliced bread, of course

It's not an ancidote but one arguement I hear often is that X unit is horriable, because Unit Y kills them.

problem is Unit Y is like 5 times the point cost.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Not heard, but I passed about 4-5 6+ FNP agaisnt a... Mawloc I think, therefore the DKoK Quartermaster is the best thing since sliced bread, of course

How are you even getting FNP against a mawloc's S6?

I'm the king of these.

"Well, that's why I always bring plasma pistols. They just kill Eldar Titans." - me.

"What do you mean, Brit?! You JUST SAW me kill that riptide with a single pathfinder a couple weeks ago! Of COURSE they're great at killing MCs! They can kill anything!" - me, actually said, last night.

The idea is to see how outrageous I can get while keeping a straight face.

About to play some young guy telling him I have Black Templar, him Tau (only one Riptide!!).

He said: "They suck, I tabled a guy before he got half way up the table!"

Then I pulled out my drop pods.
I shot, flamed and assaulted him to death.

 Talizvar wrote:
About to play some young guy telling him I have Black Templar, him Tau (only one Riptide!!).

He said: "They suck, I tabled a guy before he got half way up the table!"

Then I pulled out my drop pods.
I shot, flamed and assaulted him to death.

He must have been playing against a Black Tide list the first time.

I never bring troops transports, their basically free first blood and kill points -said by an ultrasmurfs player locally here.

That's right his entire army teleport deepstrikes or footsloggs it up the board like it's 1st edition week and nobody brought any long range. It's bloody embarrassing to sm players in General. He fields a land raider as an mbt and doesn't carry troops in it either.

 Kain wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Not heard, but I passed about 4-5 6+ FNP agaisnt a... Mawloc I think, therefore the DKoK Quartermaster is the best thing since sliced bread, of course

How are you even getting FNP against a mawloc's S6?

..Ogryn?

"Terminators are useless."

This time, not me.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Not heard, but I passed about 4-5 6+ FNP agaisnt a... Mawloc I think, therefore the DKoK Quartermaster is the best thing since sliced bread, of course

How are you even getting FNP against a mawloc's S6?

..Ogryn?

The death korps doesn't get Ogryns.

Yeah, then its not a Mawloc, its something else, the one that digs out and shoots S5 stuff. Can never tell them apart :/

 Bobthehero wrote:
Yeah, then its not a Mawloc, its something else, the one that digs out and shoots S5 stuff. Can never tell them apart :/

Trygon, one fires 5 S5 AP- hits, the Trygon prime gets a fairly impressive 12 S5 Ap- hits.

That one then, fired a lot, passed a lot of FNP, one HWT lost 1 wound and then it died.

 Bobthehero wrote:
That one then, fired a lot, passed a lot of FNP, one HWT lost 1 wound and then it died.

Yeah the Trygon's main threat is that a WS6 6 wound 3+ save MC with 7 S6 attacks (and possible biomorphs) is now in your face and may be followed by other Tyranid deep strikers.

Not it's shooting.

If you can kill it quick then the Tyranid player's probably just blown 200+ points.

He used it as a distraction Trygon, bit expensive, but he managed to get more stuff closer to the relic and forced me to move units back, which I could have used to counter his push in the middle.

I once shot the last wound off an Avatar with the final remaining marine from a squad of Chaos Marines. Chaos Marines are therefore the best models in the game.

Big Meks with Shokk attack guns suck, they always kill themselves.

"Grav guns are useless because horde armies exist"

 Archangel-Dreadnought wrote:
Big Meks with Shokk attack guns suck, they always kill themselves.

I've had him kill himself three games in a row, twice in a row on turn one. Also causing the grots he was with to fail leadership and route. Fourth game he launched himself at my foe to actually draw firstblood but eventually gave my opponent slay the warlord. Anecdotal? He sat on the shelf for a month I was soo mad.