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RileyJessup wrote: necrons because of their new fluff it just seems that they are being overhyped as some "nobody can kill us but we kill everyone" fluff where wherever they wake up everyones just screwed its stupid. at least the tyranids have swarms so its kind of like a zombie apocalypse or alien typ of deal its interesting
I don't hate any of them, but I feel like Daemons shouldn't be a separate army from Chaos, but this probably because I played Chaos back in 2e where it was all one big army. Same with Fantasy Chaos at the time as well. Had Beastmen, Chaos Knights, and Bloodletters all working together hand in hand, toward a common goal of SLASH AND BURN.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
They did however, need a name change because that just sounds silly.
That being said if they had to go they had to go.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Dislike: Necrons (old and new fluff are both equally awful), Tau (the gundam faction when everything else is gothic/grim), SoB (equal opportunities bought them here, PC gone mad I say), Daemons (roll them back into Chaos), Gray Knights (I preferred when they were represented by a squad attached to another Imperial army, rather than a standalone)
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I must admit I am tired of seeing marine subfactions everywhere (and they are my main army). I would like to see more xenos.
‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
I must admit I am tired of seeing marine subfactions everywhere (and they are my main army). I would like to see more xenos.
I do think we could do with more minor xenos getting the spotlight and perhaps just tone down the marinefest a little.
Just a little.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I must admit I am tired of seeing marine subfactions everywhere (and they are my main army). I would like to see more xenos.
I do think we could do with more minor xenos getting the spotlight and perhaps just tone down the marinefest a little.
Just a little.
Personally something along the lines of how the Scythians were able to kill the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists would be cool. We have what happened here and it's kinda told but some stories like this and how the lesser known races have actually pulled off some crackers would be appreciated.
I must admit I am tired of seeing marine subfactions everywhere (and they are my main army). I would like to see more xenos.
I do think we could do with more minor xenos getting the spotlight and perhaps just tone down the marinefest a little.
Just a little.
Personally something along the lines of how the Scythians were able to kill the Chapter Master of the Crimson Fists would be cool. We have what happened here and it's kinda told but some stories like this and how the lesser known races have actually pulled off some crackers would be appreciated.
Give me more on the Bhargesi as well please!
I'd really like to know what makes the Barghesi so scary that the Imperium puts multiple chapters at their doorstep just for keeping them in place and keep them away from the Tyranids at all costs.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I'd really like to know what makes the Barghesi so scary that the Imperium puts multiple chapters just to keeping them in place and keep them away from the Tyranids at all costs.
Indeed
A race described as 'Hyper Violent' needs more info! What can be so violent about them when 40k in general is pretty violent. Their young come out kick boxing each other when they are born?
And Barghesi or Scythians are just two of them. There are lots of cool xenos out there in the background.
Anyway, I don´t think we are seeing any of them soon with the no-model = no-rules policy.
‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
GK. I have no problem with any other army, and pre Ward I loved the GK. The small number of very slightly better than your standard SM fighting against an unbeatable force with the best will they can made sense and was interesting and exciting. Ward made them everywhere and made them far too strong.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Steve steveson wrote: GK. I have no problem with any other army, and pre Ward I loved the GK. The small number of very slightly better than your standard SM fighting against an unbeatable force with the best will they can made sense and was interesting and exciting. Ward made them everywhere and made them far too strong.
And he reduced their numbers...which makes no sense.
Before they had at least 3000 brothers at arms.
But now they only have 1000 because DA CODEX ASSTARTEEZ.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
If I let myself think about it, I get a bit perturbed that all the Xenos, with the possible exception of Tyrranids, are really just humans made to look a little different. Most sci-fi movies and TV are the same way. Neil DeGrasse Tyson brings this up all the time.
I guess few people want to watch a movie where the main characters aren't humanish, and maybe there are few 40k players who would want to build and play an army that isnt humanish.
Steve steveson wrote: GK. I have no problem with any other army, and pre Ward I loved the GK. The small number of very slightly better than your standard SM fighting against an unbeatable force with the best will they can made sense and was interesting and exciting. Ward made them everywhere and made them far too strong.
And he reduced their numbers...which makes no sense.
Before they had at least 3000 brothers at arms.
But now they only have 1000 because DA CODEX ASSTARTEEZ.
Meh.
After all this time, my mind automatically adds a zero to that "size of a chapter" thing.
‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
Steve steveson wrote: GK. I have no problem with any other army, and pre Ward I loved the GK. The small number of very slightly better than your standard SM fighting against an unbeatable force with the best will they can made sense and was interesting and exciting. Ward made them everywhere and made them far too strong.
And he reduced their numbers...which makes no sense.
Before they had at least 3000 brothers at arms.
But now they only have 1000 because DA CODEX ASSTARTEEZ.
Meh.
After all this time, my mind automatically adds a zero to that "size of a chapter" thing.
I personally prefer the interpretation of at least a billion (usually one trillion, one million chapters of a million each) Astartes to go around, ten times that in Sororitas, even more in Scions, and Quadrillions of Guardsmen.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
SoB (equal opportunities bought them here, PC gone mad I say),
Wat?
The SoB go all the way back to Rogue Trader.
^This.
And they were taken from Dune (together with Navigators, the lack of intelligent machines and the God Emperor). People get the impression Sisters are female-marines because, well, they haven´t read their background. They are, literally, from different universes.
Steve steveson wrote: GK. I have no problem with any other army, and pre Ward I loved the GK. The small number of very slightly better than your standard SM fighting against an unbeatable force with the best will they can made sense and was interesting and exciting. Ward made them everywhere and made them far too strong.
And he reduced their numbers...which makes no sense.
Before they had at least 3000 brothers at arms.
But now they only have 1000 because DA CODEX ASSTARTEEZ.
Meh.
After all this time, my mind automatically adds a zero to that "size of a chapter" thing.
I personally prefer the interpretation of at least a billion (usually one trillion, one million chapters of a million each) Astartes to go around, ten times that in Sororitas, even more in Scions, and Quadrillions of Guardsmen.
Keeping on the "elite" thing, a million sounds too bold for me. And 10000 somehow fits the Legions breaking up. If a 100000 thing gets broken in 4 pieces after a great war, 10000 seems fine. 1000 seems too low.
Sure, 10000 marines could barely do anything given the scale of the Imperium, but then again they do highly specialized operations and they are there mostly to serve as living propaganda.
I also imagine the Sisters and Stormtroopers at the same level. And they are all ultra-elite units.
The force doing the work is the IG, and its size defies imagination. And don´t forget the humble pdf.
‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
In my redesigned 40k (redesigned from the perspective of an actual military man who knows enough science to make vaguely plausible sounding technobabble), the legions were tens of billions strong, a lynchpin for the wider imperium. So millions is still very much broken up into bite sized pieces.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
MarsNZ wrote: SoB (equal opportunities bought them here, PC gone mad I say)
Their origins aside, what's so inherently wrong with adding some diversity to things? It's nice having some female representation in things. Besides, they're not defined by their gender, they bring more than that to the fluff and the game.
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Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far.
MarsNZ wrote: SoB (equal opportunities bought them here, PC gone mad I say)
What's so inherently wrong with adding some diversity to things? It's nice having some female representation in things. Besides, they're not defined by their gender, they bring more than that to the fluff and the game.
I'm not sure if arguing with sexists is the best thing to do. Especially when they're wrong about an Army's origins.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I think the Tau are best explained by my good friends Quark and Garrick
[Garak takes a drink of root beer]
Quark: What do you think?
Elim Garak: It's vile.
Quark: I know. It's so bubbly and cloying and happy.
Elim Garak: Just like the Tau.
Quark: And you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Elim Garak: It's insidious.
Quark: Just like the Tau.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
My least favourite, both in terms of fluff, and how they play, are the Tyranids.
Fluff-wise, a galaxy-transcending superrace that simply devours everything in its path just doesn't do a lot of for me.
What's more, if they're a threat to everyone else, they should've been destroyed by now. It's not like all the other races don't make tentative alliances when under greater threat.
Gameplay-wise, I think they've been given too many ridiculously good shooty units for what should play as an assault army. It irks me that carnifexes and hive tyants are used as gun platforms. Bugs running around with smaller bugs that shoot out even smaller bugs as ammunition...
They're also the one army that's hard to place into any sort of group game. Most of the xenos races can be placed with some degree of buy-in, in alliances with one side or another of a larger game. Tyranids are just out of place, like, why are they there. You can't explain why they've sided with the imperium, or the orks, or chaos. They're just more hungry to eat those guys than these guys.
Redbeard wrote: My least favourite, both in terms of fluff, and how they play, are the Tyranids.
Fluff-wise, a galaxy-transcending superrace that simply devours everything in its path just doesn't do a lot of for me.
What's more, if they're a threat to everyone else, they should've been destroyed by now. It's not like all the other races don't make tentative alliances when under greater threat.
Gameplay-wise, I think they've been given too many ridiculously good shooty units for what should play as an assault army. It irks me that carnifexes and hive tyants are used as gun platforms. Bugs running around with smaller bugs that shoot out even smaller bugs as ammunition...
They're also the one army that's hard to place into any sort of group game. Most of the xenos races can be placed with some degree of buy-in, in alliances with one side or another of a larger game. Tyranids are just out of place, like, why are they there. You can't explain why they've sided with the imperium, or the orks, or chaos. They're just more hungry to eat those guys than these guys.
They're powerful enough to stand against all the factions, perhaps even win too. The fluff is explicit in that the galaxy either unites or dies. It is also explicit that the Orks can kill everyone, that the Necrons can kill everyone, that Chaos can kill everyone, the Eldar will kill everyone when Ynnead is good and ready, the Tau will kill everyone if allowed to advance, the Imperium will kill everyone when the Primarchs and Emperor return, and your dog will kill everyone when he eats your rulebook.
Gameplay wise: Dakkafexes are good yes, but Lootas are better, as are Dakkajets, just to name ork units.
Also: Genestealer cults.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
5000 
Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far. 
What's so inherently wrong with adding some diversity to things? It's nice having some female representation in things. Besides, they're not defined by their gender, they bring more than that to the fluff and the game.
