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 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

With the new Necron fluff and the right dynasty, I think we could get some interesting Necron centered stories instead of just an enemy everyone else fights.

The likes of Venner do have personality though. So I'd say much like Necrons, Krieger personalities are mostly concentrated in their bosses. Who have an even bigger boner for the emperor than their soldiers.


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 Envihon wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

With the new Necron fluff and the right dynasty, I think we could get some interesting Necron centered stories instead of just an enemy everyone else fights.

I'd like to see a Necron focused novel in the future, but first an Ork book.

Preferably an Octarius war book.

Vespid. You said race, not faction. I think they could have done fly people much better than that. But also the Tau. They originated on a desert world and yet their skin is blue.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Vespid. You said race, not faction. I think they could have done fly people much better than that. But also the Tau. They originated on a desert world and yet their skin is blue.

How does that mater? They aren't really required to hide from anything, they evolved fast as hell and probably not aimed towards camouflage.

I think an ork based story could be great.

They've actually got a really rich personality and a lot of depth. It's only at first glance they seem like simple, brutish things.
Frankly, they're probably the least evil race in the galaxy. Name one other species in 40k that doesn't HATE any/everything.

The ork word for best friend is the same word for favorite enemy. If you fight back, they respect you more and enjoy themselves more. They don't really like it when people can't defend themselves. Other races prefer to fight enemies who can't fight back...

 Fos Kenos wrote:
I think an ork based story could be great.

They've actually got a really rich personality and a lot of depth. It's only at first glance they seem like simple, brutish things.
Frankly, they're probably the least evil race in the galaxy. Name one other species in 40k that doesn't HATE any/everything.

The ork word for best friend is the same word for favorite enemy. If you fight back, they respect you more and enjoy themselves more. They don't really like it when people can't defend themselves. Other races prefer to fight enemies who can't fight back...

I feel the exact opposite, they're one of the evilest purely because they don't hate everything. They just love killing, and that's terrifying. They'll rip your limbs from your body, hear your screams and laugh all the while. The Imperium atleast does it for a reason, the Orks do it for fun.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Fos Kenos wrote:
I think an ork based story could be great.

They've actually got a really rich personality and a lot of depth. It's only at first glance they seem like simple, brutish things.
Frankly, they're probably the least evil race in the galaxy. Name one other species in 40k that doesn't HATE any/everything.

The ork word for best friend is the same word for favorite enemy. If you fight back, they respect you more and enjoy themselves more. They don't really like it when people can't defend themselves. Other races prefer to fight enemies who can't fight back...

I feel the exact opposite, they're one of the evilest purely because they don't hate everything. They just love killing, and that's terrifying. They'll rip your limbs from your body, hear your screams and laugh all the while. The Imperium atleast does it for a reason, the Orks do it for fun.

In terms of evil, the Dark Eldar tend to have everyone else beat.

 Kain wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Fos Kenos wrote:
I think an ork based story could be great.

They've actually got a really rich personality and a lot of depth. It's only at first glance they seem like simple, brutish things.
Frankly, they're probably the least evil race in the galaxy. Name one other species in 40k that doesn't HATE any/everything.

The ork word for best friend is the same word for favorite enemy. If you fight back, they respect you more and enjoy themselves more. They don't really like it when people can't defend themselves. Other races prefer to fight enemies who can't fight back...

I feel the exact opposite, they're one of the evilest purely because they don't hate everything. They just love killing, and that's terrifying. They'll rip your limbs from your body, hear your screams and laugh all the while. The Imperium atleast does it for a reason, the Orks do it for fun.

In terms of evil, the Dark Eldar tend to have everyone else beat.

No doubt about that, they're 100% pure, untainted (Or incredibly tainted...) evil. And GW does nothing to shy away from that, something I dislike about them. But a bit behind them would be the orks for me.

I would have to say yes the soul vampires that are the Dark Eldar are probably one of the most evil factions in the game since they know what they are doing, torturing and disfiguring beings and then consuming their soul, yeah definitely evil.

Orks on the other hand, I don't see as evil, barbaric yes but not evil simply because they are a warrior culture. From what I have seen they don't exactly relish dismemberment like the Dark Eldar do but the relish the battle itself. They love fighting and that is how you earn respect. It isn't a culture that I identify with but it is one that I can understand and respect. I would read an Ork centered story as well as a Necron one. The Dark Eldar got their novels for Emperor's sake.

As far as I can tell, while fighting does gain them respect, they dont really care about that. They fight for the sake of fighting, and if they get respect, then thats more boyz to crush the hummies with!

Even though I play space marines.... space marines!

It's not that I hate them, I like all the races, I just like them the least.

 luky7dayz wrote:
Even though I play space marines.... space marines!

It's not that I hate them, I like all the races, I just like them the least.

You play Ultramarines so that is understandable. I like space marines as a whole but there are chapters I can't stand.

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

Your two posts sum it up perfectly.

The best way to use the extremely 0-dimensional Kriegsmen is to be plot punching bags. Something Guardsmen luckily tend to be specialists at.

Orks are better punching bags.

0 dimensional Kriegsmen, best Kriegsmen.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Orks are better punching bags.

0 dimensional Kriegsmen, best Kriegsmen.

Let's make a compromise; they share the #1 position.

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

They dont have emotion, they have thought. Pure logic and tactical genius, no morals or emotions to stop them

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

They dont have emotion, they have thought. Pure logic and tactical genius, no morals or emotions to stop them

Their logic however is as extensive and lengthy as is their nose, as they see nothing beyond it. While they do have a good logical view of events in the immediate short-term, their foresight tends to be terrible and their typical doctrine of engaging and enemy they nothing about is to immediately attack them.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

They dont have emotion, they have thought. Pure logic and tactical genius, no morals or emotions to stop them

Their logic however is as extensive and lengthy as is their nose, as they see nothing beyond it. While they do have a good logical view of events in the immediate short-term, their foresight tends to be terrible and their typical doctrine of engaging and enemy they nothing about is to immediately attack them.

And they dont really need any long term logic. They find the best way to win this battle, win, continue till planets destroyed, eat, then die. Not much use for long term planning, the Hive Minds got that covered.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

They dont have emotion, they have thought. Pure logic and tactical genius, no morals or emotions to stop them

Their logic however is as extensive and lengthy as is their nose, as they see nothing beyond it. While they do have a good logical view of events in the immediate short-term, their foresight tends to be terrible and their typical doctrine of engaging and enemy they nothing about is to immediately attack them.

And they dont really need any long term logic. They find the best way to win this battle, win, continue till planets destroyed, eat, then die. Not much use for long term planning, the Hive Minds got that covered.

Except that often renders their entire actions both wasteful and pointless. You should only lay down your life for the Emperor if you absolutely know for certain that it is more beneficial than staying alive and "tactically consolidating your forces in a different sector behind some very big orbital guns".

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also for one of the specific factions I hate the most- the Death Korps of Krieg. They're annoyingly dull and have no character, and thus are as interesting as a pile of dirt. The bloody Necrons have more personality than the Kriegers, who are little more than emotionally dead biological robots who are brainwashed to even be more emotionally dead. You can't have a character without any real internal struggle- you just get a flat piece of cardboard that a child could write.

Less personality than the Necrons and Tyranids?

That's quite low praise.

The BL doesn't seem to consistently portray the Kriegers, though Forgeworld does show them as mostly martyrdom hogs with a boner for the Emperor longer than their lasguns.

Necron personality depends on the Dynasty, and Tyranid stories seem to draw on man vs nature tales and monster movies like Jaws.

The Kriegers more or less tend to just be horribly flat and terribly boring. Tyranids do actually have more chatacter than the Death Korps going by Genestealers, Broodlords, Hive Tyrants, and the Swarmlord, all of whom do on some level feel emotion and are written as such (they aren't "just" the animals some in the Imperium believe them to be). But damn. I've not read one book on the Death Korps of Krieg that had me interested at all in the Kriegers. Just the Commissars. Still better than Ben Counter books though.

I hear that there's a short story involving old one eye and teilion that almost reads like Jaws on land.

They dont have emotion, they have thought. Pure logic and tactical genius, no morals or emotions to stop them

Their logic however is as extensive and lengthy as is their nose, as they see nothing beyond it. While they do have a good logical view of events in the immediate short-term, their foresight tends to be terrible and their typical doctrine of engaging and enemy they nothing about is to immediately attack them.

And they dont really need any long term logic. They find the best way to win this battle, win, continue till planets destroyed, eat, then die. Not much use for long term planning, the Hive Minds got that covered.

Except that often renders their entire actions both wasteful and pointless. You should only lay down your life for the Emperor if you absolutely know for certain that it is more beneficial than staying alive and "tactically consolidating your forces in a different sector behind some very big orbital guns".

Oh, I was talking about the Tyranids, not the Kreigers. The person you qouted said they had some sort of emotion, I was replying to that. Only thing Tyranids want with the emperor is to eat him.

Kriegers also scout ahead, see Dead Men Walking where they send Grenadiers via Valkyries to scout ahead, while the main Korps surround the city with trenches and big guns.

Obviously those scouts will fight, but they're also gathering data.

I like every race but, in terms of fluff my least favourite is Tau, and in terms of tabletop gameplay i dont like space marines. Their just boring and oh so repetitive and tedious