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If they don't attempt to fix assault, dey aint gettin my money.

 Xerics wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Nope.

Given the rumours are saying it's going to be 6th, with Escalation and Stronghold Assault (partially) built in, plus FAQs added, there's no reason to buy it. We don't play Stronghold Assault or Escalation, and from the sounds of it, we'd need to buy those anyway if we did because not everything will be brought into the rulebook.

Plus, 3rd edition Infinity is releasing soon, so I'd rather save some pennies to put into that game.

Lol if the book is just 6th with escalation and stronghold assault rolled in you are forced to play by those rules. If someone wants to drop a lord of war then the only option you have is not playing that person but you can't prohibit them anymore by saying "Thats an expansion and so I have to agree to play it before you can use those rules". From then on denying someone their LoW is like denying someone playing white scars bike army, or necron flying circus, or FMC Chaos Daemons, or triptide, or seerstar, or wraithstar, or screamerstar, or farsight bomb. I think it will be good to teach those tournament players and netlists a good lesson seeing as how LoW and D weapons completely nukes deathstar units.

I don't play pick up games at stores. I play 40k with a small group of people who have all been playing 40k together since about... 1992? My group has decided to stick with 6th. I was considering getting the 7th edition book if it included something worthwhile. As it is, if all its doing is rolling Escalation and Stronghold Assault into the main rules, why should I buy it? It's the same as owning both of those expansions, as they're part of the core rules anyway, but without some of the content like unit stats. Which means you need to own the expansions anyway. On top of that, going by to my initial point of playing with a small group of friends. None of us play with the Escalation or Stronghold Assault rules, and none of us want to.

So no, I don't have to 'lol play with those rules' because they're part of the base game. They are now. We don't use them. We won't even if GW put them in the main rulebook.

This question is like asking us if we'll still buy gas if it reached $10 a gallon lol. We will whether we like it or not, and GW knows that (hence the insane costs)

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Nope.

Given the rumours are saying it's going to be 6th, with Escalation and Stronghold Assault (partially) built in, plus FAQs added, there's no reason to buy it. We don't play Stronghold Assault or Escalation, and from the sounds of it, we'd need to buy those anyway if we did because not everything will be brought into the rulebook.

Plus, 3rd edition Infinity is releasing soon, so I'd rather save some pennies to put into that game.

Lol if the book is just 6th with escalation and stronghold assault rolled in you are forced to play by those rules. If someone wants to drop a lord of war then the only option you have is not playing that person but you can't prohibit them anymore by saying "Thats an expansion and so I have to agree to play it before you can use those rules". From then on denying someone their LoW is like denying someone playing white scars bike army, or necron flying circus, or FMC Chaos Daemons, or triptide, or seerstar, or wraithstar, or screamerstar, or farsight bomb. I think it will be good to teach those tournament players and netlists a good lesson seeing as how LoW and D weapons completely nukes deathstar units.

Umm yeah, I'm pretty sure if GW include escalation and stronghold assault in the main rulebook it won't stop a lot of people from ignoring them and I'm pretty sure tournaments will continue to ignore them because they suck hairy dog balls for tournament play.

Deathstars "suck hairy dog balls for tournament play" yet we still see them in EVERY ARMY. Super Heavy's are a hard counter and I think that's why nobody likes them.

No, many people don't like them because they themselves are horribly unbalanced. Some are crap, some are heaps over powered, many are such that a lot of armies don't have a reasonable counter to them.

Tournament players don't want to have one crappy unbalanced thing (deathstars) countered by something that's also crappily unbalanced and favours whoever decided to throw money at buying the most Revenant Titans.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
No, many people don't like them because they themselves are horribly unbalanced. Some are crap, some are heaps over powered, many are such that a lot of armies don't have a reasonable counter to them.

Tournament players don't want to have one crappy unbalanced thing (deathstars) countered by something that's also crappily unbalanced and favours whoever decided to throw money at buying the most Revenant Titans.

It'll get to the point where people compair receipts and determine the winner that way!

Yes. My old book is the miniature book from the starter set. Pages are falling out. If it was still in good condition I might not purchase the new one

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
No, many people don't like them because they themselves are horribly unbalanced. Some are crap, some are heaps over powered, many are such that a lot of armies don't have a reasonable counter to them.

Tournament players don't want to have one crappy unbalanced thing (deathstars) countered by something that's also crappily unbalanced and favours whoever decided to throw money at buying the most Revenant Titans.

So what your saying is the people want to keep their deathstars and make sure nobody else can beat them? Little one sided don't you think? They don't want to play against super heavy's because in order to compete they would have to get one. They want to buy one army and keep rolling with that one. As soon as a counter comes out they cry. Typical.

 Xerics wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
No, many people don't like them because they themselves are horribly unbalanced. Some are crap, some are heaps over powered, many are such that a lot of armies don't have a reasonable counter to them.

Tournament players don't want to have one crappy unbalanced thing (deathstars) countered by something that's also crappily unbalanced and favours whoever decided to throw money at buying the most Revenant Titans.

So what your saying is the people want to keep their deathstars and make sure nobody else can beat them? Little one sided don't you think? They don't want to play against super heavy's because in order to compete they would have to get one. They want to buy one army and keep rolling with that one. As soon as a counter comes out they cry. Typical.

I hope you realize that Superheavies are deathstars in their own right, and destroy TAC lists better than most standard deathstars do. So, replacing deathstars with super deathstars? And as for the "buy one army" coment, with superheavies, all you need to do is buy one MODEL and keep rolling with that one. For 900 points I can get a model that has 4 Strength D large blasts, can move 36" a turn while shooting all its weapons, and is only a bit more expensive then most Deathstars. How is this helping to balance the game for people who DONT run deathstar units/models???

 Xerics wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
No, many people don't like them because they themselves are horribly unbalanced. Some are crap, some are heaps over powered, many are such that a lot of armies don't have a reasonable counter to them.

Tournament players don't want to have one crappy unbalanced thing (deathstars) countered by something that's also crappily unbalanced and favours whoever decided to throw money at buying the most Revenant Titans.

So what your saying is the people want to keep their deathstars and make sure nobody else can beat them? Little one sided don't you think? They don't want to play against super heavy's because in order to compete they would have to get one. They want to buy one army and keep rolling with that one. As soon as a counter comes out they cry. Typical.

No. People don't want to replace the imbalance of deathstars with the imbalance of escalation (which are deathstars in their own right... ya know, a lot of points tied up in one model...basically the definition of "deathstar"). Wanting to roll with the same army is a completely different topic, your typical competitive tournament player is probably the most adaptable out there, it's the people playing friendly games that can't be bothered modifying their army each time a new netlist comes out in order to stay on the top of the ladder.

You really need to stop looking down on people who want to play the game differently to you, the idea that you WANT people forced to play something they don't want to play is amazingly selfish.

I'm going with maybe as it depends on money and how much of a change it is.

xraytango wrote:
Only if it is <= $50.

Will not happen. Why? Half the fan base is gone. That is why I believe the prices are double than they should be. To compensate for the 1/2 the fan base that left.

Davor wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

Davor wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
Nope, I'm done with GW rulesets.

What rule set? Oh if you don't agree just roll a D6. Instead of 500+ that can just be done to a small leaflet.

"roll a D6, highest roll wins, if a tie, re-roll, only once and then take the result. Highest roll wins, tie means a tie."

Add +2 on your result if you play Tau / Eldar.

Is that in the DLC? I mean data slates? Damn I knew that Tau/Elder are too powerful.

Subtract 1 for playing Space Marines.

I'll wait for a new starter set if any. Otherwise, I'll see...

I heard that the starter set will include a small copy of only the most essential rules to playing the starter set. As in no vehicle rules since there will be none in the set.

If that's the case, I'd probably not pick it up. I already have enough trouble carrying around hard back books, I don't need another huge hardback book weighing me down.

Not to mention how inconvenient that is. Having to lug out the huge copy just to look up something simple. I like the small book because it's so convenient. If I can't get a player's copy of the rules then I won't even bother.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I heard that the starter set will include a small copy of only the most essential rules to playing the starter set. As in no vehicle rules since there will be none in the set.

If that's the case, I'd probably not pick it up. I already have enough trouble carrying around hard back books, I don't need another huge hardback book weighing me down.

Not to mention how inconvenient that is. Having to lug out the huge copy just to look up something simple. I like the small book because it's so convenient. If I can't get a player's copy of the rules then I won't even bother.

Yeah, this is what I also heard that the new small rulebook will not contain the whole rule set. That's a pity and another money-making issue.

The big rule book is very unhandy. This is a bad policy.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I heard that the starter set will include a small copy of only the most essential rules to playing the starter set. As in no vehicle rules since there will be none in the set.

If that's the case, I'd probably not pick it up. I already have enough trouble carrying around hard back books, I don't need another huge hardback book weighing me down.

Not to mention how inconvenient that is. Having to lug out the huge copy just to look up something simple. I like the small book because it's so convenient. If I can't get a player's copy of the rules then I won't even bother.

Yeah, this is what I also heard that the new small rulebook will not contain the whole rule set. That's a pity and another money-making issue.

The big rule book is very unhandy. This is a bad policy.

If this is true, count me in the very unhappy crowd. I bought the 6E BRB because it was my first edition change and the fluff was useful and getting the rules was exciting. Using it to play with, however, was awful. I quickly got a mini rulebook ASAP.

I honestly didn't even bother with the big book. I didn't want to have to fumble through all the extra parts. I don't even like the current codex layout.

I honestly wish they would just sell paper back player's guides. It would make my games so much easier if I could pull out small easily stored paperback books with only the essential rules and unit without all the fluff background. I read the fluff, about the Tau's first encounter with the Imperium, on the Ork invasions, on the alien alliances, and every unit backstory. I don't need that with me every single game.

 Xerics wrote:


Deathstars "suck hairy dog balls for tournament play" yet we still see them in EVERY ARMY. Super Heavy's are a hard counter and I think that's why nobody likes them.

There is problem for armies that don't have a good super heavy and they don't have deathstars. I played games against LoW and they were not fun at all for a guard players.
First turn killed my two chimera vets units . I fired back , did nothing , because he had 2 void bunkers protecting a +4 inv +4 dodge titan .

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I honestly didn't even bother with the big book. I didn't want to have to fumble through all the extra parts. I don't even like the current codex layout.

I honestly wish they would just sell paper back player's guides. It would make my games so much easier if I could pull out small easily stored paperback books with only the essential rules and unit without all the fluff background. I read the fluff, about the Tau's first encounter with the Imperium, on the Ork invasions, on the alien alliances, and every unit backstory. I don't need that with me every single game.

The fluff is mostly static. Pick up the last edition big book off of e-bay for the fluff, and the current mini book for the rules. I suspect a bunch of 6th ed BRBs are going to be put up for sale in a month.

Isn't the rumor that they're going to release updates (FAQs) separately, so that people with the BRB don't have to buy another one?

 TheSilo wrote:
Isn't the rumor that they're going to release updates (FAQs) separately, so that people with the BRB don't have to buy another one?

That's one of the rumors. Bunch of them floating about, so pick which ones you want to believe.

If it's just a new 6.5 book, with free FAQs to update old 6.0 books, I think the internet will breath a sigh of relief. It's what I'm hoping for personally.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I heard that the starter set will include a small copy of only the most essential rules to playing the starter set. As in no vehicle rules since there will be none in the set.

If that's the case, I'd probably not pick it up. I already have enough trouble carrying around hard back books, I don't need another huge hardback book weighing me down.

Not to mention how inconvenient that is. Having to lug out the huge copy just to look up something simple. I like the small book because it's so convenient. If I can't get a player's copy of the rules then I won't even bother.

Yeah, this is what I also heard that the new small rulebook will not contain the whole rule set. That's a pity and another money-making issue.

The big rule book is very unhandy. This is a bad policy.

I don't see it happening. Just look at The Hobbit box set. They are still selling the Limited Edition box set. One of the reasons why it doesn't sell is because they didn't put in point costs and unit stats like they did for previous edition of Mines of Moria box set. People will not be happy if GW tried this, and nobody will buy it if the small rule book is not the full version of the rules. Nobody wants a partial rule book where they have to buy other books. One of the reasons why I stopped collecting LotR/The Hobbit. I didn't not want to pay $100 for a book that will last one year when all should be in the small paper back like last time. Thing is, it didn't last just one year, and GW shot themselves in the foot without explaining themselves so all we can do is speculate on all the negative stuff GW does. (Might have increased sales if we knew The Hobbit hard back wasn't going to be invalid, like we all thought would happen.)

Depends on if it's balanced or not. I chose bacon

 Vineheart01 wrote:
This question is like asking us if we'll still buy gas if it reached $10 a gallon lol. We will whether we like it or not, and GW knows that (hence the insane costs)

Hardly.

But it is this thought that has lead to GW's abusive relationship with its customers and loss of market share.

From my experience, the most current ruleset is the most widely played one. Therefore I will buy it so I can play more games.

Also, my current 6th ed codex is falling apart.

If it makes my Blood Angels a bit more competitive I'm all on board. If there is no change to the broken flyer rules and assault still stays the same I will still buy it but I won't be overly chuffed, I've invested too much time and money into 40k and I don't want to sell up everything at the moment.

I'll probably grab the new starter set if it's got some nice models. The rulebook will be a bonus.

 amanita wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
This question is like asking us if we'll still buy gas if it reached $10 a gallon lol. We will whether we like it or not, and GW knows that (hence the insane costs)

Hardly.

But it is this thought that has lead to GW's abusive relationship with its customers and loss of market share.

But at least that attitude is helping Mantic, Privateer Press, Spartan Games, Corvus Bellie and the rest, so it's not all bad

No.

I didn't buy 6th ed, either.

I read a clubmate's copy. We only had 2 members in the club still playing 40k at the time (the rest had switched back to fantasy or across to infinity).

I'll do the same for this revision. If it's necessary. I've got a tourney that I'm TOing coming up in June, after this revision supposedly drops (but it's only about 3 weeks later - so inside the cutoff for "new additions" that we've always used - a new edition or army book has to be out for at least a month in order to be used.).

I'll probably buy a digital or mini version depending on the price. Definitely don't plan on shelling out another $75 for a BRB when my 6th edition one still has the new book smell.