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 Lynata wrote:

Spoiler:

Thank you for sharing this. Love it.

 malfred wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Spoiler:

Thank you for sharing this. Love it.

All hail the great Erin Stout

 Ashiraya wrote:
I play WoW a lot. Interestingly, as a female myself, I have 3 female characters and 8 male ones on my main account, and one of each on my secondary.

Why? I am not sure. Male models are often better I think. My main character is female, though.

However, as you might be able to guess from my avatar, Ashiraya is pretty far from your average kawaaaiiiiii Blood Elf.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I exclusively play female characters in MMORPGs - if I have to stare at a character's ass for tons of hours, I'd prefer it to be a female ass.

Groan.

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
I've played as female characters before, I'd say with maybe a 70/30 split male/female, and I do try to act as I imagine my character would (I love making up backstories) - though I admit, I expect my characters do all have certain shared traits (like an affinity for stealth over tanking)

I think it is very difficult to TRULY roleplay any character who isn't pretty similar to yourself - whether that be because they're a different gender or because they have an ideology you don't share (Like in Fallout NV, I find it very hard to play as a low-INT, melee-based Legion courier, because I don't connect so well with the mindset that character would have)

I find it difficult to roleplay as unreasonable. I roleplay evil and good-ish (I actually have difficulty RPing goody-two-shoes characters) peeps but they are all rather logical in their actions.

TheCustomLime wrote:So I have noticed. It's not unwarranted, though. They're fricking hot.

The odd thing is I always expected my charie to be hit on during roleplay but either everyone just ignored her or just assumed she was a lesbian. The propositions were directed to me. I wonder why.

Groan.

TheCustomLime wrote:Every time I bring a new female character into Stormwind (Glory to the Alliance) the same guy would whisper me being all nice before starting to ask if I was a busty young lass. Whenever I corrected him he would stop responding time to me. Once I actually went along with it and I got a sense that this man was either 13 or needed to get laid.

I also get a lot of proposals for cybering.

Groan.

Yep. Playing on Moonguard was buckets of fun. Try it some time and discover sexual fetishes you never knew existed. Or did but secretly hoped wasn't a "thing".

If we are going to talk about characters I generally had a 60/40 m/f ratio.I never had an actual main but the Draenei in question was a sadistic sniper who finds it amusing to blow people's heads off. Pleasant enough to be around with if you were Alliance, though.

You know, I wonder if there is a study into how male gamers tend to dress female characters and vice versa. Probably not a large enough sample size to make a good study since most gamers do not (I believe) care about such things but it'd be interesting to know.

First they really chose the wrong MMO to do this with. They really should have picked Lineage 2 where the characters are much better looking. Lineage 2 didnt have guys playing as girls jumping around, they were using emotes and bending over ALL THE DAMNED TIME.







Typically i play as a dwarf so i constantly jump to get myself into interesting places.

 Melissia wrote:
Actually, playing as a guy in an MMO is better, because you're less likely to be harassed, making the game more pleasant.

How do they know you are a women?
On the only MMO I ever played for more than one or two hours, I have played a female character, and basically… I never spoke to anyone and nobody ever spoke to me . Almost. Also, my character was far from the more alluring one, in a game that allows for both ridiculously sexual outfits and very sober ones.


In this game, jumping is actually doing something, the movements control are quite different from your usual WoW. But in Smite (MOBA with controls a bit similar to WoW) I do jump a lot at the beginning when I have nothing better to do. I never play female character in that game though, because, well, they are all horrible, horrible fanservice. Except maybe for Artemis.

I play several MMORPGs and a few console RPGs and I tend to favor female avatars over male. I have ever since my first MMORPG, Phantasy Star Online. My first avatar looked lie Harley Quinn because you could do that with one of the Elf Mages and Harley Quinn was awesome. Since then, I default to female avatars more often than not. If I had to give a thoughtful reason, I would say it is because it allows me a certain level of disconnect from the actions of my character. If I was playing a male character, I would feel a little uncomfortable choosing "evil" options because I would identify with the character a lil' too much. It's the reason I really don't like playing my Dark Side Sith Juggy on SWTOR that much. I only went male for the romance options (because Vette is HIGH-larious in dialogue) and now the character kinda sits around and does nothing because I prefer to play evil on a female character.

Conversely, I can play good as male or female (my Pub side Trooper is male and LS... and has glorious mutton chops) though I still tend to favor female avatars over male even when playing a goody-two-shoes.

As an aside, I was mistaken for a girl when I was on FFXI a few years back. I wasn't consciously trying to "pass" as a woman; people just assumed that I was. When I asked a guildmate why that was, I was told "Because you use correct grammar and punctuation and you bitch about the Red Mage Artifact pants looking like booty shorts with garters".

Speaking of which... hey all you male gamers that crossplay online... what kind of fashions do you tend to put your female avatars in? Do you go for scanty, revealing, "sexy" outfits, or do you go with practical outfits, or do you go with a "style" for a character?

Me, I tend to only use scanty outfits on my console RPG characters (the ones nobody will see because the game is not onilne). My MMORPG avatars tend to dress stylishly, but reasonably. The only exception would be my SWTOR Bounty hunter, who wears the dancer's bottoms instead of pants because I haven't found a pair of heavy armor pants I like the look of, and my DS Sith Marauder who shows a lot of underboob, because that character is a cavalcade of bad asthetic choices.

I go for whatever clothes give me the best stats

All fully armored all of the time. Revealing armor defeats the entire purpose of putting armor on.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
All fully armored all of the time. Revealing armor defeats the entire purpose of putting armor on.

Same for me. I've got some female WoW characters, and they all wear either plate or robes.

Not the Princess Leia "robes", but robes robes.

Everyone should have to wear the Princess Leia "robes", EVERYONE.

http://www.dorkly.com/comic/41589/rpg-lady-armor

Jumping? What if the game doesn't have jump?

Anyway. One thing I don't actually get is when people say they pick their character bases on what butt they want to look at. That really feels like too minor of a thing to base the choice on. Also shouldn't you be looking at what your doing?

nomotog wrote:
Anyway. One thing I don't actually get is when people say they pick their character bases on what butt they want to look at. That really feels like too minor of a thing to base the choice on. Also shouldn't you be looking at what your doing?

I think what they're trying to say when they say things like that is "have I mentioned that I am heterosexual today?".

 Melissia wrote:

Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that it doens't happen. And it's not just my personal anecdotes, either-- there have been numerous scientific studies that have actually shown that women get harassed and propositioned many, MANY times more than men do on the internet.

Those are mostly limited to voice chat - and I already covered the teenage problem.

Many MMOs include voice chat, or make heavy use of third party programs for it.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
All fully armored all of the time. Revealing armor defeats the entire purpose of putting armor on.

My male mesmer is pretty scantily clad And pink Serves the purpose of making him more BA when he runs around WvWvW screaming "Fabulous!"

To be fair, he's a mesmer. I think pink and purple are like the theme colors of mesmers to begin with? They're fabulous people, both the men and the women mesmers!

 Melissia wrote:
Many MMOs include voice chat, or make heavy use of third party programs for it.

I have always wondered if people would harass me if I played with voice chat. I may be a man, but really almost every stranger that talk to me on the phone believes me to be a woman. It will be an interesting thing to try if I ever manage to debug my sound card drivers .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Many MMOs include voice chat, or make heavy use of third party programs for it.

I have always wondered if people would harass me if I played with voice chat. I may be a man, but really almost every stranger that talk to me on the phone believes me to be a woman. It will be an interesting thing to try if I ever manage to debug my sound card drivers .

You'd probably get a lot of jokes about your outrageous french accent (that I presume you have)

Or at least that's how I read all of your posts...

 LordofHats wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
All fully armored all of the time. Revealing armor defeats the entire purpose of putting armor on.

My male mesmer is pretty scantily clad And pink Serves the purpose of making him more BA when he runs around WvWvW screaming "Fabulous!"

I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt so sexy it hurts.

I do agree with the opinion that the whole "I pick females to stare at a nice ass" answer is just an excuse. It's not like you were staring at the man's ass for hours on end when you were using male characters.

 Melissia wrote:

nomotog wrote:
Anyway. One thing I don't actually get is when people say they pick their character bases on what butt they want to look at. That really feels like too minor of a thing to base the choice on. Also shouldn't you be looking at what your doing?

I think what they're trying to say when they say things like that is "have I mentioned that I am heterosexual today?".

Oh. That would actually explain it. It still manages to be rather silly though.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
All fully armored all of the time. Revealing armor defeats the entire purpose of putting armor on.

My male mesmer is pretty scantily clad And pink Serves the purpose of making him more BA when he runs around WvWvW screaming "Fabulous!"

I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt so sexy it hurts.

I do agree with the opinion that the whole "I pick females to stare at a nice ass" answer is just an excuse. It's not like you were staring at the man's ass for hours on end when you were using male characters.

Your not that sexy. Put your shirt back on! I use to dress some of my avatars up sexy like, but that ends up getting old faster then you think and you want to branch out into more verity. Too bad mmos never allow enough verity.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
It's not like you were staring at the man's ass for hours on end when you were using male characters.

Yes, that is so totally not what I was doing.

Anyway, I'm fairly evenly split on male/female avatars. I'm an altoholic, so I usually create a bunch of different characters at the start and play each for awhile until I settle on the one or two I like the most.

I will admit that it is hard for me to create unique male avatars. As a man, I know what I like when it comes to looking at women, so it's very easy for me to make a variety of female characters that look good (to me). My male characters all tend to look somewhat the same. Who knows, maybe it's just a repressed desire to play dress-up with dolls?

With the exceptions of factions that are male-only (which to this date consists exclusively of Orks in Warhammer Online, none of the other ones really interested me) I have exclusively female characters.

I feel more in tune with my character when I hear a feminine voice associated with them, and that makes the game more enjoyable to me.

 Melissia wrote:
With the exceptions of factions that are male-only (which to this date consists exclusively of Orks in Warhammer Online, none of the other ones really interested me) I have exclusively female characters.

I feel more in tune with my character when I hear a feminine voice associated with them, and that makes the game more enjoyable to me.

..... You know. You have always came off rather mannish to me, so hearing that you like to play female characters kind of surprises me. I have always been horrible at guessing gender though.

 Melissia wrote:
To be fair, he's a mesmer. I think pink and purple are like the theme colors of mesmers to begin with? They're fabulous people, both the men and the women mesmers!

IDK. Eventually my thief will have his legendary short bow and I'll need to rainbow paint him so he can run people down screaming "Taste the Rainbow"

flamingkillamajig wrote:@Lynata: Have you seen Prometheus yet? There's the main character which is not as cool as ripley but pretty crazy. There's also the cold and seemingly heartless woman on the ship which some think was an android though she was a leader.
To be fair I guess I get your point about there not being a lot of women in the aliens movies but at the same time a woman is always the hero of one. Guys are normally alien face rape bait.

Nope @ Prometheus. Missed it in cinema, currently waiting to catch it on Netflix.

Anyways, a woman as the main protagonist is kind of "the thing" of the Aliens franchise and part what still makes them special compared to most of sci-fi, though it's not actually that special if you consider that it's the very same hero in every movie except for the prequel. In a way, Aliens = Ripley, just like the first Star Trek movies always had Kirk as the captain, even though Trek as a franchise is larger than the Enterprise, too. Perhaps it just seems more out of the ordinary because the white male hero is still seen as the default for such movies?
... it's subtle, innit?

Sigvatr wrote:I have never experienced anything like this in years of online gaming, including 3 years of WoW.

It may depend on the server. As a German WoW veteran, I'm sure you know the reputation of Die Aldor's Goldshire.

Hell, it may be different on a per-game basis, too. Wasn't there some study about scientists using pre-recorded voice comms on Halo multiplayer and checking how other players would react to a male and female voice? The results were a bit .. disappointing, but sadly not unexpected.
Though I heard the Halo crowd is (supposedly) especially weird.

LordofHats wrote:All hail the great Erin Stout

Indeed. I just found that comic last week and spent a couple days catching up. Had a great time.

squidhills wrote:Speaking of which... hey all you male gamers that crossplay online... what kind of fashions do you tend to put your female avatars in? Do you go for scanty, revealing, "sexy" outfits, or do you go with practical outfits, or do you go with a "style" for a character?

Depends on the game and the character. Mostly I'm aiming for "practical", though I have to admit that I don't dismiss sexiness entirely. Let's just say there are characters from culture where it can fit or is even to be expected (e.g. drow, night elves, yautja, orions), and other characters where it'd just look out of place (e.g. the average human soldier). Many settings allow you to go for what I'd consider an attractive look without actually damaging the character's appearance-based perception as a professional rather than just obvious eye-candy if you just have a bit of imagination and like to work with whatever options for customisation are available.

Seriously, when I see how some people dress their female toons, the nerd in me cringes at the lack of respect for background and immersion. That being said, I have a feeling we all have our own threshold where we draw that line between "hot" and "too much".

Melissia wrote:I think what they're trying to say when they say things like that is "have I mentioned that I am heterosexual today?".

Good point.

@Lynata: I suppose 'Aliens' is mostly ripley and the prequel is sort of a ripley wanna-be (well she's different but in my eyes she is).

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My advice with what you and sigvatr are talking about is go and play different games. Most shooters seem to have a really stupid crowd overall without a better word to phrase it. Rts's generally don't seem to have many women at all to my knowledge. Rpg's have the most women though I suppose how scantily clad the females are tends to show what crowd tends to be drawn to the games. The gamers tend to reflect the game being played. Chances are if the game is smart and well thought out you'd get players that are much smarter though possibly smug. If you play games like halo expect the average gamer crowd which tends to shoot instead of think. I'm also rather not fond of really competitive games as they tend to be the worst.

So I dunno maybe girls get it bad in games but it's still my opinion that if somebody treats a woman badly or a different race badly then the person is probably a jerk all around. For me it's hard to imagine somebody being a jerk to only one group and being nice to all the others.

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Erin Stout? I'm not aware of him though my british friend shows me a crap ton of different comics and great ones at that. The one I really should catch up on is 'Dumbing of Age' by David Willis (I think that's his name).

http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/gasp/

http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/02-uphill-from-here/pied/

http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/03-men-are-from-beck-women-are-from-clark/roommate/

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So you're saying drow, night elves, yautja, and orions are all sluts? That's offensive .

If I remember you play cyber punk which basically has a whole theme on bondage leather. Basically skin tight leather for everybody . It also has a prevalence for hookers considering some of the themes around crime, poverty and corruption.

As for lines drawn for me it's too much when they're in underwear. I won't lie that I'm attracted to it though. Ridiculously large boobs at a point become too ridiculous when you see some really stupid ecchi (or 'high school of the dead'). I honestly don't get why women love anime so much. I don't think I've ever seen a medium of entertainment so offensive towards women on the sexual level to a point it makes me look good and that's a god d*mn achievement right there but not a good one.

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Ugh I can't stand anything melissia says for the most parts these days. She's borderline man-hating and a femi-Nazi in my eyes. She's pretty hateful in general.

Sorry if you disagree lynata it's just I'd rather not listen to anything she says.

The only MMOs where I really play any female alts are superhero MMOs, because those are really the only ones where I come up with a character concept before I make the character.

 EmilCrane wrote:
You'd probably get a lot of jokes about your outrageous french accent (that I presume you have)

Or at least that's how I read all of your posts...

Yeah, most French people do have a strong accent, and I am not exception. I would like to do some post-doc in an English-speaking country to improve it.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Ugh I can't stand anything melissia says for the most parts these days. She's borderline man-hating and a femi-Nazi in my eyes. She's pretty hateful in general.

What the hell are you talking about? It was a joke, not to be taken seriously, right?

 Melissia wrote:
With the exceptions of factions that are male-only (which to this date consists exclusively of Orks in Warhammer Online, none of the other ones really interested me) I have exclusively female characters.

I feel more in tune with my character when I hear a feminine voice associated with them, and that makes the game more enjoyable to me.

The voice thing is interesting... I have turned off player character voices in WoW because the female Blood Elf voice is so incredibly 'look at me so little girl kawaiiiiiii xDDDDDDD'
Which annoys me to no end, I might add. I think it's more the same mindset that makes me play a female.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Ugh I can't stand anything melissia says for the most parts these days. She's borderline man-hating and a femi-Nazi in my eyes. She's pretty hateful in general. .

What.

I knew Melissia hates Space Marines (Which I disagree with, rawr!) but hating men is something I have seen little indication of.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I knew Melissia hates Space Marines

Any sane human would .