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40K is slowing down. You can feel players getting annoyed at the ruleset. Lots are slowly migrating to Fantasy. Fantasy is doing very well. Better than 40K these days.

There are many 40k and Fantasy players in my area... they're all playing Warmahordes now. There are still a few holdouts, somewhere between 2-4, who will play 40k regularly, but all of them are slowly converting over to the 'dark side', I think we just got the last of them started down the path of conversion last week, working on scheduling a demo game. And in the rare case where we get bored of warmahordes, there are enough people who play X-wing, Malifaux, Infinity, Flames of War, Dropzone Commander, or other games to hold us over.

Personally, the rumors of the new edition have me considering selling off a substantial portion of my 40k stuff.

chaos0xomega wrote:
There are many 40k and Fantasy players in my area... they're all playing Warmahordes now. There are still a few holdouts, somewhere between 2-4, who will play 40k regularly, but all of them are slowly converting over to the 'dark side', I think we just got the last of them started down the path of conversion last week, working on scheduling a demo game. And in the rare case where we get bored of warmahordes, there are enough people who play X-wing, Malifaux, Infinity, Flames of War, Dropzone Commander, or other games to hold us over.

Personally, the rumors of the new edition have me considering selling off a substantial portion of my 40k stuff.

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That's really a pity.

I guess that such bad news will not reach the responsible persons at GW.

I think GW will see the drop-off in sales of miniatures and respond appropriately with significant price rises to fleece what is left from their remaining loyal customers.

40k, WFB, Warmachine and X-wing all see equal table time around here from what I've seen.

Of the two FLGS I visit....

Warmachine, 40k, and Fantasy all share the same day. I used to never see Fantasy, now I see maybe two games a week. Warmachine has burgeoned to the point where it seems to have moved to an earlier day in the week that is reserved for FoW (which wouldn't take up as many tables as 40k). 40k games occur with relative frequency one day a week, but I don't see them a lot other times. Warmachine on the other hand I see usually 3 days a week, so it's definitely becoming the dominant force. Also, X-Wing has gotten quite popular (in addition to all of the tabletop RPGs that have always been around).

The other FLGS is mainly 40k and computer games (people playing Diablo, DOTA, that sort of thing). There isn't any WHFB presence, a minor but increasing level of Warmachine, and 40k seems to fluctuate (they do have tournaments).

There is also a GW store about 10-15 miles of these stores, so that could have some influence.

So, my consensus on these two stores: 40k seems to be down a reasonable percentage (let's say 30%). Whether that's due to the presence of the GW store or perhaps the overall downward trending people are talking about in terms of 40k, I am uncertain. It has however given me the kick in the pants I needed to explore other games!

I've been a gamer of some type (card-RPG-40k) since 1997.

I have been in many FLGS and even a few GW stores.

I have NEVER seen 2 people play Warhammer Fantasy at a store.

I HAVE seen it being played, finally, at Adepticon this year. But that was a tournament. However, I can now say I've seen it played.

At my store we have problems fiinding tables for everyone(We typially have 4-5 tables) And not everyne is playing
Fantasy is dead though

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
At my store we have problems fiinding tables for everyone(We typially have 4-5 tables) And not everyne is playing
Fantasy is dead though

Fantasy is dead here also, since its more or less unplayable.

WarmaHordes is the new hype.

No Fantasy in our group. 40K still going, although we're also playing WM/H and X-wing and others.

Fantasy has been rare here for the last 2 years already, and 40k has also dropped dramatically in popularity since the beginning of the year. I help run a 'local gaming group' Facebook organization and while there still are 3-5 players discussing 40k on there at least one or two times a week, they may play once a week at most. Whereas the WarmaHordes went from 1-2 players to 10-14 and plays 3 times a week.

40k is certainly a shrinking market in our area due to two factors that have been discussed here and in our local group. Frustrated core players that didn't like the way 6th was handled and the complete lack of new player buy in due to the cost of the game.

Keep in mind that this group organizes events for 6 FLGSs, so this isn't a single store situation but a much broader problem in this part of the state.

40k is all but dead at my flgs. I think they do a bi-monthly tournament still, but I'm not sure if its well attended.

Getting a pickup game...slim chance. I think I've been there once in the last 6 months when 1 person had a 40k army out in his car. Patrons have a usually negative and sometimes indifferent view of 40k. All the negativity boils down to high price (as opposed to rules). The store owner said there was a marked decine in 40k sales after the new Apocalypse book was released.

By far, the most popular game there is MtG. Table-top is mostly various historical games, Star Wars, or Warmachine.

As for Fantasy, I'm aware that its a game, but I don't think I've ever seen it played at my flgs.

I really wish it wasn't dying at my FLGS. From the new rules leaks, it doesn't look like its going to drive a lot of people back. I can still schedule games as most people still own 40k/Fantasy armies, but no one shows up anymore for pickup games.

Like many, PP, FFG, and WizKids are getting my gaming $$$ now instead of GW.

I haven't been able to find 40K players to save my life.

Theres only 6 of us at my FLGS that are active, but i know of at least 8 others that simply dont play anymore, or dont even have their army anymore.

Those that quit stopped because of GW price hikes and 6th ed being kinda screwy if you arent a gunline army. With hope come 7th ed some that have their armies collecting dust will come back, though i doubt the guys that sold their army will buy more.

The remainder of us, for the most part, keep playing because we have so many models its a waste to not play and we still have fun since none of us are a "That Guy" or anything. Im expecting ork models to sky rocket in cost like everything else when the new dex hits, but unlike other players i wont need to buy ANYTHING new because i have so many orks and bits i can kitbash whatever is new lol. Short of a squiggoth, that is, as thats more sculpting instead of kitbashing.

I know new players back off because of the price. Funny part is when you compare this hobby to others such as carpentry or car repair, its actually CHEAP in the end since i pay a lump sum once, then a tiny bit every once in awhile for something new.
Then again, new players might feel obliged to buy 2k points worth of models to be able to play since thats all i ever see put on the table these days lol (or higher)

40k is shrinking in my area, the game is just becoming too cost prohibitive. I can not remember the last time I played an Ork or Tyranid army, or even Imperial Guard.

At my FLGS, 40k does seem to be on the decline.
On so-called '40k night' there will be a few 40k enthusiasts there painting, but seldom playing.
Warmahordes, on the other hand, is clearly in the ascendency. There are always several games of that going on.
Which is a shame, because I have zero interest in that system.
Nonetheless, I have a group that gets together to game at my house so it's all good.

Warmachine is by far the fastest growing in the immediate area.

40k is dying a slow and lingering one at my FLGS.

Folks still play, but less and less every year.

40k/fantasy at the GW store I go to is dying slowly but surely. A little over a year ago you would go in on a friday night and it would be packed. The three tables they have available for gaming would have people playing non-stop right up until closing time. Now though you might see a couple people painting and if you're lucky see one game happen the entire night.

tgf wrote:
Warmachine is by far the fastest growing in the immediate area.

Oddly enough that WAS in my area then it suddenly vanished. I have ~700USD worth of Trolls and they used to show up Friday to play. I disappeared for a couple weeks, come back and i have no idea where ANY of them went lol. Store used to be packed when they played. No idea where they went, considering it was like 10-12 people i imagine they went somewhere else rather than all of them up and quitting the game lol. I was the new guy so i have no contact info from them :(

Much as i prefer living in nebraska because cost of living is way way lower than most states, i might want to find employment somewhere else when i finish college because my ~3000USD worth of toy soldiers dont get much attention here lol

40k was actually growing a little bit here in my neck of the woods until Escalation came out. Then it took a huge nosedive. Now it's practically dead. My usual sunday group has stopped altogether, and the monthly tournaments that are run by one of the local FLGS are struggling to get even 10, where it used to be around 20.

There was one very active group in a city an hour north of here that was a big driver of tournaments, they would always show up to the ones held monthly here. They've stopped coming as well, and stopped 40k altogether as far as I know.

It's not completely dead, but it's definitely dying.

I really do wish Fantasy was more popular, as I thoroughly enjoy the lore, and models.

I can't blame anyone for not wanting to play though. The cost of a Fantasy army is so ludicrous.

This time last year my FLGS didn't stock GW products, now they do due to customer demand. Only a small shop so they don't run anything in store.

There's another store with gaming tables with 40K always being played and there are usually 4+ 40K games going on at my games club.

So I guess 40K is alive & well in my area. But just because it'sbeing played doesn't mean playersare buying new stuff. After all, we still have Battle Masters tournaments.

Now I wasn't sure how 7th or 6th influenced w40k gaming in Warsaw , as I played mostly in one shop. Today I had to visit to stores , I hadn't been to since 5th ed. In one where I was picking up some ordered stuff. I watched how three players tried to play with recast and plastic cut out bikes and didn't even understand what is wrong with that and why the store owner told them to never bring those to events at his store . In the second store , where we had a MtG draft . I saw four people play . Through the whole tournament I was trying to figure out what armies they were playing . All of them had tau in their armies , all of them had thunder cannons , all had inqusitiors . The only difference were that some guy had kroots , other had some bikers , yet another some henchman . At the end a 5th guy came and his army was made out of 3 Tyrants , gargoyls , 2 harpies and a the +4inv fortification placed in the middle of the board.

Now I started playing in 5th ed and the game was never that crazy . If someone said he is playing Space Wolfs , then his army was made out of space wolfs , and razorbacks , and not 5 different codex and armies.

 Accolade wrote:
I think GW will see the drop-off in sales of miniatures and respond appropriately with significant price rises to fleece what is left from their remaining loyal customers.

Oh so true. That is what I believe happened to Lord of the Rings. What few people who played them, I don't even see them on the forums anymore once The Hobbit hit. Price increases, only get 1/2 the mins with a 1/3 price reduction actually comes to a price increase, and hardly no support from GW, killed The Hobbit I believe.

Looks like that is what happened to Fantasy, it seems so much quieter on that front than ever now.

Davor wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I think GW will see the drop-off in sales of miniatures and respond appropriately with significant price rises to fleece what is left from their remaining loyal customers.

Oh so true. That is what I believe happened to Lord of the Rings. What few people who played them, I don't even see them on the forums anymore once The Hobbit hit. Price increases, only get 1/2 the mins with a 1/3 price reduction actually comes to a price increase, and hardly no support from GW, killed The Hobbit I believe.

Looks like that is what happened to Fantasy, it seems so much quieter on that front than ever now. Not so busy on the forums. As for 40K, it's mostly complaints/whines/tantrums, nothing will ever change there.

We still play LOTR/Hobbit. It helps that a friend is a huge Tolkien fan and loves and collects the models. I hardly ever talk about it on the board because (a) the ruleset is just fine as-is, and (b) that board is not particularly active.

But I thiknk you're right about the price hikes, and it doesn't help that the Hobbit movies are really not so good. But GW doesn't really need to support the Hobbit. There are loads of books that came out for LOTR scenarios, they are still compatible with the Hobbit rules, and the Hobbit rules are top-notch...I'd be nervous if GW did start mucking with that rule-set, honestly.

I've never seen a game of Warmachine played in my life.

For me there is a cycle. During the summer months it dies down quite a bit, to where maybe 4 or 5 people show up. Then towards winter, attendance starts picking back up and more people show up. For most of us, Warhammer is not our main source of fun, is more of something to do when we got nothing else.

 jasper76 wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I think GW will see the drop-off in sales of miniatures and respond appropriately with significant price rises to fleece what is left from their remaining loyal customers.

Oh so true. That is what I believe happened to Lord of the Rings. What few people who played them, I don't even see them on the forums anymore once The Hobbit hit. Price increases, only get 1/2 the mins with a 1/3 price reduction actually comes to a price increase, and hardly no support from GW, killed The Hobbit I believe.

Looks like that is what happened to Fantasy, it seems so much quieter on that front than ever now. Not so busy on the forums. As for 40K, it's mostly complaints/whines/tantrums, nothing will ever change there.

We still play LOTR/Hobbit. It helps that a friend is a huge Tolkien fan and loves and collects the models. I hardly ever talk about it on the board because (a) the ruleset is just fine as-is, and (b) that board is not particularly active.

But I thiknk you're right about the price hikes, and it doesn't help that the Hobbit movies are really not so good. But GW doesn't really need to support the Hobbit. There are loads of books that came out for LOTR scenarios, they are still compatible with the Hobbit rules, and the Hobbit rules are top-notch...I'd be nervous if GW did start mucking with that rule-set, honestly.

I remember, closer to when the Hobbit movies started coming out- I was starting to look into starting a tabletop game that was more fantasy-centric and skirmish in size. I thought Warmachine was a bit too...steampunk or whatever with the guns and magic robots and whatnot, and while WHFB models were gorgeous, the game itself (high model counts and really high cost) steered me away from that.

So I looked to the Hobbit. I had always thought the Lord of the Rings models were decent, and maybe with the release of these new movies the LOTR scene would be somewhat regenerated. But I started looking into the pricing and GOOD GOD, GW must have switched to making the models individually out of hand-crafted porcelain or something, the costs (for most things) were outrageous! $75 for FOUR CHARACTERS? Are you ing kidding me!?!

So that plan went down the drain immediately, and it's not like I ever saw any LOTR games after that as it was. GW must have thought they hit the correct price threshold for maximum fleecing of customers on the Hobbit stuff, but I think they drastically overestimated that line's appeal.

Anyway, I think WHFB has been dancing on that threshold of purchasing collapse for some time now, and while the models that have been released are top-notch, the cost seems way above value (i.e. the Dwarf Gyrocopter, the size of a GW paint pot, is $45).

I do wonder if all of this adding of WHFB elements into games of 40k is going to further impact WHFB's low sales. 40k seems to have taken the last bits of uniqueness of WHFB in terms of the new mag-I mean, Psyker Phase (yes I realize this is an old thing from 2nd edition, so it has obviously been a swing back). Personally, I think GW should just transfer the remaining Fantasy races to 40k (Skaven, Dwarfs, and Slann) and be done with it.