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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 08:16:50
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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One is the god of murder, violence, destruction and war, and so is the other one. Their names are relatively similar, enough to possibly be etymologically related if you went back far enough, and even their symbology isn't a million miles apart. According to the Lexicanum, Khorne battled Slaanesh for Khaine, suggesting that Khaine is perhaps the subsection of Khorne for the Eldar. My understanding of the 40k gods (at least those that reside in the Warp) is that they are all psychically connected to their followers, in that the psychic devotion (deliberate and accidental) is what gives birth to these gods. But also in my understanding is that they are not distinct beings, more like the sum of all the psychic emotions related to murder, violence, destruction and war, or whatever else, with regards to the other powers. So why would this particular god be split into two personalities?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 08:28:57
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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The Eldar gods were created by the Eldar themselves, they were originally bound to the mortal plane, unlike the Chaos Gods, who cannot exist outside of the Warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 09:19:37
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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From old RT days WD 127
When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him, Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path. The Bloody Handed God of the Eldar was tossed this way and that, at first grasped by Slaanesh, then tugged back into the compass of Khorne.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 09:58:31
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Pilau Rice wrote:From old RT days WD 127
When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him, Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path. The Bloody Handed God of the Eldar was tossed this way and that, at first grasped by Slaanesh, then tugged back into the compass of Khorne.
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‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 14:24:24
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
My secret fortress at the base of the volcano!
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Don't forget the fluff from the previous Necron codex that has Khaine kill a C'tan, then wind up with exploded bits of C'tan in him, which turnes Khaine eeeeeeeeevil. So, Khaine goes from a (presumably) honorable warrior-dude, who is a "shard" of Khorne, to a psycho murder monkey after he gets impregnated with C'tan shrapnel. As if the fluff wasn't complicated enough!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 14:29:42
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Khaine cannot be part of Khorne because Khaine was formed from the Eldar emotions which came way before humanity did. So I'd say he's similar to Khorne but thats it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 17:13:53
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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The Eldar Gods were actual beings that the ancient Eldar could interact with. Like Thor from the recent films is an "immortal God"-like being. So too were the Eldar ones.
Probably?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 17:16:18
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Brigadier General
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In Warhammer Fantasy I think it was that Khaine was actually a Khorne, but the elves didn't know that. No idea about 40k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 17:39:40
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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sing your life wrote:In Warhammer Fantasy I think it was that Khaine was actually a Khorne, but the elves didn't know that. No idea about 40k
That's not true at all for Fantasy. The Elven Gods are real Gods but when the Fall occurred they were separated from the Elves. Asurion and Company are actively warring with the Chaos Gods even now though their power is diminished. The elves speak of the end times as a final war when they'll join with their Gods to either over through Chaos once and for all or be destroyed in the process.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 17:40:35
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Storming Storm Guardian
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As I understand it, the Warp is made of Many Beings with overlapping fields of expertise. This is made further complicated by the fact that the (4 most powerful) Chaos Gods have consumed many lesser Warp-entities over the course of their long existence, gaining some of the consumed entities profiles/ powers as well. IIRC, this is how the Chaos Gods have been viewed as Benevolent in some instances (though in most instances it is the lies of the Cult about the Ruinous Powers). What about Gork and Mork? They exist in the Warp (just screaming Orky phrases at each other or something) and haven't been consumed. They would obviously represent the Orky way of War, but do not fall under the 'Realm' of Khorne. Gork and Mork are two separate entities made by the reflections in the Warp of the collective psyche of the Orks, in much the same way as the psyche of the Humans (and others) feed/ created Chaos and the Eldar psyche (used to) feed/ create their Pantheon... then Slaanesh.
As for the Eldar gods being able to walk among them, I think there have been various rumors that their gods might have been all that is/ was left of the Old Ones. However, I don't trust that piece of fluff, as I've never found anything concrete on it. I would simply would point to my first paragraph. There are a lot of Warp Entities that share overlapping fields of expertise. The four most powerful are known as the Chaos Gods, but they are not the only Entities in the Warp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/15 19:10:58
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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squidhills wrote:Don't forget the fluff from the previous Necron codex that has Khaine kill a C'tan, then wind up with exploded bits of C'tan in him, which turnes Khaine eeeeeeeeevil. So, Khaine goes from a (presumably) honorable warrior-dude, who is a "shard" of Khorne, to a psycho murder monkey after he gets impregnated with C'tan shrapnel. As if the fluff wasn't complicated enough!
That was the Nightbringer, and he didn't kill him. He merely shattered his Necrodermis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 00:01:26
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Storming Storm Guardian
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Perhaps hotsauceman1 was talking about how apparently Khaine took the Nightbrighter's Scythe and threw it into the warp during their fight, forever placing it beyond Nightbringer's reach. In return Nightbringer exploded upon defeat (as C'tan do) and gave Khaine the aspect of the Reaper. Thus explaining why Maugan-Ra has a love of decorating things with bones.
Granted, this was back when Nightbringer put the fear of Death in every race but the Orks ('cause Orks are awesome like that). Not sure how canon this is with newer Necron Fluff. Last time I tried reading their Codex, I was chased out of my FLGS by a song on the radio I absolutely hate. No active hostility by my FLGS, just... heard that song too many times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 16:52:48
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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The Conquerer
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sing your life wrote:In Warhammer Fantasy I think it was that Khaine was actually a Khorne, but the elves didn't know that. No idea about 40k
the possibility exists that Khaine is simply an aspect of Khorne in WHFB. But its not in 40k. Khaine predates Khorne by a long time.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 17:06:09
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Adult, that's what.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 00:52:47
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Leaping Khawarij
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Farseer Morlengal wrote:As I understand it, the Warp is made of Many Beings with overlapping fields of expertise. This is made further complicated by the fact that the (4 most powerful) Chaos Gods have consumed many lesser Warp-entities over the course of their long existence, gaining some of the consumed entities profiles/ powers as well. IIRC, this is how the Chaos Gods have been viewed as Benevolent in some instances (though in most instances it is the lies of the Cult about the Ruinous Powers). What about Gork and Mork? They exist in the Warp (just screaming Orky phrases at each other or something) and haven't been consumed. They would obviously represent the Orky way of War, but do not fall under the 'Realm' of Khorne. Gork and Mork are two separate entities made by the reflections in the Warp of the collective psyche of the Orks, in much the same way as the psyche of the Humans (and others) feed/ created Chaos and the Eldar psyche (used to) feed/ create their Pantheon... then Slaanesh.
As for the Eldar gods being able to walk among them, I think there have been various rumors that their gods might have been all that is/ was left of the Old Ones. However, I don't trust that piece of fluff, as I've never found anything concrete on it. I would simply would point to my first paragraph. There are a lot of Warp Entities that share overlapping fields of expertise. The four most powerful are known as the Chaos Gods, but they are not the only Entities in the Warp.
Also, this is how the Emperor was able to ascend to become a God himself which started during the Flight of Eisenstein. Humans feed more than just Chaos because you have the faith in the Emperor and how the GK are able to create energy that is the very antithesis of Chaos. The Emperor I would argue is the last God of Order still in existence. The Eldar gods have either been killed, shattered or captured.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 15:41:33
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Except for Cegorach. But he is just awesome like that.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 19:32:01
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Dakka Veteran
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In Howl of the Banshee, the Eldar refer to Khorne as Khaine's father.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 19:51:53
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Animus wrote:In Howl of the Banshee, the Eldar refer to Khorne as Khaine's father.
While I haven't' read that novel myself, that really doesn't sound right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 20:11:06
Subject: Re:What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Sasori wrote:While I haven't' read that novel myself, that really doesn't sound right.
They mention it a few times.
''Heed not the urges of the father of our bastard master.''
''Test your blades against ours, and know that Khaine yet despises his raging father.''
''Perhaps She Who Thirsts will not claim us. The Blood God hungers for our spirits more greatly, I think."
''Accursed Mother and Father will destroy each other fighting for mines, if I have any say."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/17 22:16:07
Subject: What is the relation between Khaine and Khorne?
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Leaping Khawarij
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I will have to second those sentiments with Khorne in Howl of the Banshee and it confused me at first but it is there.
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