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I thought previous rumors mentioned Incubi and those were fairly reliable sources? Not BOLS? If no Incubi in plastic I'm going to be very disappointed.

To be fair DE don't need anything new, just a few point cost changes, wargear options and a couple of slot moves.

I'd like to see...

Razorwings should be fast attack.
Mandrakes should start with a pain token.
Scourges need to be a similar price to swooping hawks.
Voidraven needs anti air missiles (or give the razorwing the option).
Ride for vect and a pts drop on him and the dais.
Succubus should be able to take a jetbike or a skyboard.
Jetbikes need a 3+ armor save or even 4+.
Jetbike troop options (like guardians / windriders).
Wyches need a outside cc invul for dodge because 6+ is just dumb (or perhaps stealth / shrouded).
Wych weapons need a kick up the ass or their attacks are rending or something (shred perhaps).
Portal needs something doing to it.
Expanded pain token table.
Castigators could just be Wraithguard with venom blades / power weapons or disintegrators / splinter cannons.
Chronos / Talos should be able to move 12".
Shadowfield permanent 3+ invul would be better.
Perhaps a vehicle upgrade to reduce scatter.
More template weapon choices.
Anti air, for the love of god! (vehicle upgrade?)

If I got even half of that I'd be happy.

Until the codex drops I'm leaving me DE alone. If I get another codex like my Tyranids one I might cry

Shingen wrote:
To be fair DE don't need anything new, just a few point cost changes, wargear options and a couple of slot moves.

I'd like to see...

Spoiler:

Razorwings should be fast attack.
Mandrakes should start with a pain token.
Scourges need to be a similar price to swooping hawks.
Voidraven needs anti air missiles (or give the razorwing the option).
Ride for vect and a pts drop on him and the dais.
Succubus should be able to take a jetbike or a skyboard.
Jetbikes need a 3+ armor save or even 4+.
Jetbike troop options (like guardians / windriders).
Wyches need a outside cc invul for dodge because 6+ is just dumb (or perhaps stealth / shrouded).
Wych weapons need a kick up the ass or their attacks are rending or something (shred perhaps).
Portal needs something doing to it.
Expanded pain token table.
Castigators could just be Wraithguard with venom blades / power weapons or disintegrators / splinter cannons.
Chronos / Talos should be able to move 12".
Shadowfield permanent 3+ invul would be better.
Perhaps a vehicle upgrade to reduce scatter.
More template weapon choices.
Anti air, for the love of god! (vehicle upgrade?)

If I got even half of that I'd be happy.

Until the codex drops I'm leaving me DE alone. If I get another codex like my Tyranids one I might cry

Should mail that to BoLS anonymously, they might come true!

 Shandara wrote:

Shingen wrote:
To be fair DE don't need anything new, just a few point cost changes, wargear options and a couple of slot moves.

I'd like to see...

Spoiler:

Razorwings should be fast attack.
Mandrakes should start with a pain token.
Scourges need to be a similar price to swooping hawks.
Voidraven needs anti air missiles (or give the razorwing the option).
Ride for vect and a pts drop on him and the dais.
Succubus should be able to take a jetbike or a skyboard.
Jetbikes need a 3+ armor save or even 4+.
Jetbike troop options (like guardians / windriders).
Wyches need a outside cc invul for dodge because 6+ is just dumb (or perhaps stealth / shrouded).
Wych weapons need a kick up the ass or their attacks are rending or something (shred perhaps).
Portal needs something doing to it.
Expanded pain token table.
Castigators could just be Wraithguard with venom blades / power weapons or disintegrators / splinter cannons.
Chronos / Talos should be able to move 12".
Shadowfield permanent 3+ invul would be better.
Perhaps a vehicle upgrade to reduce scatter.
More template weapon choices.
Anti air, for the love of god! (vehicle upgrade?)

If I got even half of that I'd be happy.

Until the codex drops I'm leaving me DE alone. If I get another codex like my Tyranids one I might cry

Should mail that to BoLS anonymously, they might come true!

I know right?

BoLS should be renamed to BoLT=Bell of Lost Trolls

Those guys are seriously getting annoying with all the guessing. The sheer amount of "telephone" between them and Naftka is incredible.

I am going to assume that the codex will make Mandrakes playable and nerf Incubi.

blaktoof wrote:
- No completely new Units or Characters
- Chars without Models are removed

"We're going to 'streamline' the codex by removing a bunch of options and replacing them with nothing. Buy dataslates!"

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
I am going to assume that the codex will make Mandrakes playable and nerf Incubi.

Thousand Sons, Ogryns and Pyrovores will take that bet.

It's a rather disappointing release if that's all there is. I'm interested if they'll fix the points costs for models and fix Wyches and Raiders killing half of the embarked unit when they explode.

Probably not.

I don't need new Wracks - I have 5 Finecast and 5 stand-ins from Sword Melusines. I doibt the new wracks will be better than what I have. Vect and his crew never interested me, so yea...

But then I don't play W40K anyway and have left my DE army because It was a nice modelling experience.

Shingen wrote:
To be fair DE don't need anything new, just a few point cost changes, wargear options and a couple of slot moves.

I'd like to see...

Razorwings should be fast attack.
Mandrakes should start with a pain token.
Scourges need to be a similar price to swooping hawks.
Voidraven needs anti air missiles (or give the razorwing the option).
Ride for vect and a pts drop on him and the dais.
Succubus should be able to take a jetbike or a skyboard.
Jetbikes need a 3+ armor save or even 4+.
Jetbike troop options (like guardians / windriders).
Wyches need a outside cc invul for dodge because 6+ is just dumb (or perhaps stealth / shrouded).
Wych weapons need a kick up the ass or their attacks are rending or something (shred perhaps).
Portal needs something doing to it.
Expanded pain token table.
Castigators could just be Wraithguard with venom blades / power weapons or disintegrators / splinter cannons.
Chronos / Talos should be able to move 12".
Shadowfield permanent 3+ invul would be better.
Perhaps a vehicle upgrade to reduce scatter.
More template weapon choices.
Anti air, for the love of god! (vehicle upgrade?)

If I got even half of that I'd be happy.

Until the codex drops I'm leaving me DE alone. If I get another codex like my Tyranids one I might cry

Try not to wish list in this thread else the mods will lock it. Cheers.

I'm wondering if they'll have any special buff units. In one of the Deathwatch books there's this device called the Red Sacrament which if IIRC the DE use the victims of it as a buff for their guys.

TBH I would wish for the codex to get rid of the "Phill Kelly syndrome". I mean what does a Venom cost, 55 points? Wrong! It costs 65 points, no one would ever pass the 10 point upgrade to get a splinter cannon. Or how about the IC mandrake that is written so badly that he forgot to mention that perhaps he should've been able to join mandrakes, and even more amusingly, he writes how scary it supposedly should be that the very, very expensive poor 1v1 stats character can deep strike without scatter and isn't allowed to assault.
My problem with Phill Kelly's crunching is, while all the other codices have the problem of not being play tested, he seem to not even know how the actual game works other than what he has read about it, so he just makes rules that he thinks sounds good, which more often than not almost always ends up with a codex that is filled with either flat out useless models, or models so good that there's litterally nothing else worth taking.

itsNot2ndEd wrote:
A little birdie....


DeathKnight

Heavy Support slot.

Can only be taken if a Haemonculi is chosen as Warlord.

WS 5
BS 3
S 9
T 8
W 5
I 6
A 5
LD 9


£85

So you're the first one to post this?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Shingen wrote:
To be fair DE don't need anything new, just a few point cost changes, wargear options and a couple of slot moves.

I'd like to see...

Razorwings should be fast attack.
Mandrakes should start with a pain token.
Scourges need to be a similar price to swooping hawks.
Voidraven needs anti air missiles (or give the razorwing the option).
Ride for vect and a pts drop on him and the dais.
Succubus should be able to take a jetbike or a skyboard.
Jetbikes need a 3+ armor save or even 4+.
Jetbike troop options (like guardians / windriders).
Wyches need a outside cc invul for dodge because 6+ is just dumb (or perhaps stealth / shrouded).
Wych weapons need a kick up the ass or their attacks are rending or something (shred perhaps).
Portal needs something doing to it.
Expanded pain token table.
Castigators could just be Wraithguard with venom blades / power weapons or disintegrators / splinter cannons.
Chronos / Talos should be able to move 12".
Shadowfield permanent 3+ invul would be better.
Perhaps a vehicle upgrade to reduce scatter.
More template weapon choices.
Anti air, for the love of god! (vehicle upgrade?)

If I got even half of that I'd be happy.

Until the codex drops I'm leaving me DE alone. If I get another codex like my Tyranids one I might cry

Try not to wish list in this thread else the mods will lock it. Cheers.

I'm wondering if they'll have any special buff units. In one of the Deathwatch books there's this device called the Red Sacrament which if IIRC the DE use the victims of it as a buff for their guys.

That wasn't wishlisting, that was stating what the current codex needs.

It's neither news nor rumors, and about half of that it doesn't even need. It's changes you wish it would have, not changes that its going to have.

Sorry if that comes off as overly aggressive.

Just saw this at BoLS

A reduced price Incubi box(which is drastic, it seems, becoming cheaper than Wracks are now).

Two items named "Dark Eldar: Covens" and "Dark Eldar: Wyches" for the same price as a 7th Ed Codex. Now I can't say with much certainty what these are, but based on their price and title, I think they might be supplements.

In addition to that, I have seen the normal 7th Ed priced 'Codex: Dark Eldar" and the "Codex: Dark Eldar Limited Edition" that is a bit cheaper than others.

Also of interest is the "Dark Eldar Tantalus" that I found that is four dollars cheaper than three Terminator boxes. If this Tantalus entry pans out, I would assume it is our version of the Imperial Knight/Baneblade/Stompa.

The Tantalus is a forgeworld model

The Coven and Wyches supplement thing is wish-listing/rumor bait.

Yeah I don't think they would do 3 books like that at once. I was more interested in the Tantalus remark. Would be interesting if we got a plastic kit for it, much like they did with the AM Hydra.

So this means that Bretonnians wont be released for another 12 months, bloody shame.

 Achaylus72 wrote:
So this means that Bretonnians wont be released for another 12 months, bloody shame.

I think you misspelled years.

 pretre wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
So this means that Bretonnians wont be released for another 12 months, bloody shame.

I think you misspelled years.

Well played sir

I'd be dissapointed if one of the main new releases is an Incubi kit as the rumors say, the current models are pretty awesome so I feel like its a waste. They should have done an actual beast squad or something.

edit: unless of course the new models are really good, but I'm not sure how they could be better tbh.

The Tantalus model; could it possibly be the new Vect Dais of Destruction that has been rumored to be released? I know the Tantalus exists as a FW model, but maybe the person who saw this is confusing the two?

For me it's almost impossible to get interested in any 40K release these days, as there's really no concept of 'army' anymore. All we're talking about is "I wonder if there's a single good unit in the upcoming codex that I can ally with my Rainbow Warriors X-Men super-team monster mash".

 Therion wrote:
For me it's almost impossible to get interested in any 40K release these days, as there's really no concept of 'army' anymore. All we're talking about is "I wonder if there's a single good unit in the upcoming codex that I can ally with my Rainbow Warriors X-Men super-team monster mash".

See, for me, as a 2nd Ed Vet, this is actually a positive. For all the stuff I'd love to see improvements on, the fact that I'm just the discovery of some decent Beastman models I like away from being able to recreate my old Chaos warband with a mash of CSM, CD and IG isn't one of them.

But I guess it boils down to the same old issue, which is if you play 40K with like minded individuals, everything actually looks mostly awesome just now, but if you're stuck in a gaming group where there is a persistent ongoing search for the smelliest cheese possible, and that isn't your bag, then things are disintegrating rapidly.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
Yeah I don't think they would do 3 books like that at once. I was more interested in the Tantalus remark. Would be interesting if we got a plastic kit for it, much like they did with the AM Hydra.

Why not? People gobbled up double SW and double ork books. Its obvious the player base is willing to spend 100$ for books that used to cost 35$. Seems logical to see if we'll buy THREE books and just split the content of a single book into 3!

Forgeworld models haven't become plasticised in a long time. The idea is it's better to introduce a new vehicle than cannibalise sales of the old one. A plastic Tantalus would be a shift away from this

Leggy wrote:
Forgeworld models haven't become plasticised in a long time. The idea is it's better to introduce a new vehicle than cannibalise sales of the old one. A plastic Tantalus would be a shift away from this

It's possible that it isn't actually a Tantalus, but that was just the name used because it looks similar. With that price, it could be that Vect and Dais of Destruction are a big Lord of War box, and the Dais resembles the Tantalus somewhat... That would give DE two lord of war options- Vect alone or on Dais, or Dais without Vect.

Leggy wrote:
Forgeworld models haven't become plasticised in a long time. The idea is it's better to introduce a new vehicle than cannibalise sales of the old one. A plastic Tantalus would be a shift away from this

The hydra released six months ago wants a word with you.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Forgeworld models haven't become plasticised in a long time. The idea is it's better to introduce a new vehicle than cannibalise sales of the old one. A plastic Tantalus would be a shift away from this

The hydra released six months ago wants a word with you.

Yep. Thats what I said in my orignial comment. Granted, I think its pretty unlikely, but who knows....maybe a Dias/Tantalus dual kit?

That would certainly be easier than creating a brand new model. To make the dais really you would just need extra plating and different weapons. Perhaps the Voidraven Lances.

 Therion wrote:
For me it's almost impossible to get interested in any 40K release these days, as there's really no concept of 'army' anymore. All we're talking about is "I wonder if there's a single good unit in the upcoming codex that I can ally with my Rainbow Warriors X-Men super-team monster mash".

I hear that, it's the reason why I sold my Dark Eldar, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Necrons and Tau. Weekly releases/teases doesn't do anything for me, that said, if there's a limited edition Blood Angel v Dark Eldar box set, I'm gonna buy that