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Uhhh... not sure what's with all the "DE can't ever do anything " posts.

Dark Lances ruin Lords of War. Haywire does it even faster. DE can take both in droves. Warriors and witches in raiders backed up by Ravagers and fliers can put a serious hurt on pretty much anyone. I don't see any rumors nurfing this. If you take redundant units, you can survive and DE can take a lot of long range fire power.

These changes so far at face value help me a lot so it's not all doom and gloom.

As usual, wait for the dex though.

What's really disappointing is that Homunculi covens/critters didn't get a boost. Maybe that'll change in the Sub codex, but I doubt it.

Loved the concept but it doesn't stand up under fire.

Am i the only one disappointed completely by the model line and releases? The void raven is just a unit they used to have but never had a model for. As far as new models go they didn't get much of crap. They didn't get new units either. Also what's wrong with GW now. They can't even release new units they just re-release old stuff these days. Then they make a mini-dex for full price that had supposedly a few units and formations.

I love dark eldar and their theme but something absolutely new may have been cool. This release felt kind of un-inspired. I mean they could just release a few new things to make the army feel fresh.

GW has been just releasing new codexes with no new units though i guess. That was half the point of the re-releases for me.

Don't get me wrong i think the void raven bomber looks cool but it's mostly just the jetfighter with a little extra stuff and the wracks are mostly the same too. I loved the theme and models of the previous release of dark eldar and they seemed amazing but this release feels very lackluster. Just two to three new units is all i ask.

Pretty lame. Nightshields being stealth is the only thing I feel good about, and even that is purely because it's more powerful. Old nightshields were cooler.

You think stealth is better than reduced range and flickerfield? That was a great combo before.. now raiders just get +1 to cover saves? Totally inferior to what was possible before, especially considering 7ths change to jink.

It is an underwhelming release at this point.

We don't seem to have gotten any new units. While adding new units for the sake of it can be iffy, it seems odd that we got nothing.

We have lost several characters, at least one of which made for interesting variants.

The models we have been given are okay but could have been used to fill the blanks we had (this is the galling part of the release, for me). Or replace the FC Beastpacks with plastic equivalents, for example.

And the Coven stuff that should be part of the codex is another separate 'book'.

On the plus side...we didn't have to wait twelve years for an update! Yay!

I don't mind the lack of new units, but the loss of Malys and all the flavor in the 'dex is as soul-crushing as it was predictable.

Predictable's the name of the game though- none of this comes as a surprise. Codex: Space Marines was the last Great Codex- everything since has ranged from ass (Tyranids) to decent but bland and uninspired (Imperial Guard).

Was there any confirmation on plastic Incubi?

Did the Duke get axed?

Given that list of failure for the Codex - another nail in my 7th ed coffin.....

What are the good changes?

edit: I'm not familiar with DE but I'm interested!

 Souleater wrote:
On the plus side...we didn't have to wait twelve years for an update! Yay!

That reminds me. WHERE THE HELL ARE MY BRETONNIANS?!?

Razorwing in FA.
Court is usable.
All vehicles have deep strike.
Power from pain seems better.
Splinter racks work on all splinter weapons (10 trueborn in a raider with cannons and carbines is 34 reroll to hit poison shots).
WWP gives ds without scatter.
Wyches special weapons improved.
Reavers lost bladevanes but the how improvement looks good.
Possible 3 talos / chronos in 1 hs slot.
NS giving stealth.

All rumors still of course.

However, I occasionally run a grotesque deathstar at the moment (10 grots, Urien, 10 spiritseers).

Based on the court changes I can now take sslyth instead who can shoot as well as have loads of high strength attacks.

 jspyd3rx wrote:
Just posted on warseer
*rumors snip*

No more bladevane or flickerfields feel kinda disappointing... wytches still have their overwatch -> no dodge -> die dilemma
I always appreciated bladevane and nightshields because they were tactically interesting: one was pretty much always a risk and the other gave an advantage for smart positioning.

If this is true I'm actually happy that my order for a new DE force is still on hold since 7th dropped... dodged a bullet
Gorgeous models, but I'd like for my pretty plastic dudesman to also do something unique on the field

I wonder, what about our anti-air options? Since Reavers might lose their Bladevaning-The-FMC abilities, are we supposed to make do with our Flyers alone?

One of the good changes is that we are rumoured to gain some anti-Psyker relics.

Shingen wrote:
Razorwing in FA.
Court is usable.
All vehicles have deep strike.
Power from pain seems better.
Splinter racks work on all splinter weapons (10 trueborn in a raider with cannons and carbines is 34 reroll to hit poison shots).
WWP gives ds without scatter.
Wyches special weapons improved.
Reavers lost bladevanes but the how improvement looks good.
Possible 3 talos / chronos in 1 hs slot.
NS giving stealth.

All rumors still of course.

However, I occasionally run a grotesque deathstar at the moment (10 grots, Urien, 10 spiritseers).

Based on the court changes I can now take sslyth instead who can shoot as well as have loads of high strength attacks.

IMO I don't agree

Power form pain was fine for me
Night shields are not as good now
Wyches are still total drek against other infantry - you know the ones they are supposed to be better against - should have just copied the stats from Dark Elf Witch Elves. I bet they still have WS 4 FFS.

Its bizare how powerful my Eldar Codex /army is which they can't be bothered to balance new codexes against or drop it to match.

Pfp like that is perfect for me as I like to go second and deep strike practically everything meaning as soon as troops arrive t2 on opponents t3 they get FNP.

Depends how you play but for me it's spot on.


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 SarisKhan wrote:
I wonder, what about our anti-air options? Since Reavers might lose their Bladevaning-The-FMC abilities, are we supposed to make do with our Flyers alone?

One of the good changes is that we are rumoured to gain some anti-Psyker relics.

Reroll to hit shardcarbines will kill fmc, razorwings in FA means you can take AA and still keep ravagers.

Much better than now at least!

Shingen wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
I wonder, what about our anti-air options? Since Reavers might lose their Bladevaning-The-FMC abilities, are we supposed to make do with our Flyers alone?

Reroll to hit shardcarbines will kill fmc, razorwings in FA means you can take AA and still keep ravagers.

Much better than now at least!

Good idea, mass TL Poison is a decent solution. And I've been already thinking about getting a Razorwing... or two...

Swapping current bladevanes for an improved HoW is a straight nerf- there's no getting around it. Unless we're looking at something like strength 6 AP3 HoW (which we're almost assuredly not- more likely it's just strength 6 HoW), then the ability is now garbage because Reavers are garbage in assault against everything and HoW that allows cover-saves isn't going to force enough wounds through to even the odds for them.

Bladevanes was great before because it allowed Reavers to avoid committing to an assault they couldn't win by just turbo-boosting over the unit and continuing to enjoy their 3+ jink-save. Now, they're going to have to actually get into an assault to do any damage, which means death.

I suppose one way to alleviate that problem would be to give them hit and run via the Bar- oops.

I'd hang fire on the razorwings, theyre still in heavy support on the site.

rtb01 wrote:
I'd hang fire on the razorwings, theyre still in heavy support on the site.

Maybe they're holding off on that until the Codex comes out?

Re: the Voidraven- after seeing the 360 view of it, looks like the missiles are no longer just stuck on the underbelly of the aircraft but now stored in pods.

I hope that ossefactors have good range
Also ,chronos looks good if rumors are true ,with that new blast and fnp buff he seems to be nice support/shooting unit

 angelofvengeance wrote:

rtb01 wrote:
I'd hang fire on the razorwings, theyre still in heavy support on the site.

Maybe they're holding off on that until the Codex comes out?

I'd say so.

Vargheist wrote:
I hope that ossefactors have good range
Also ,chronos looks good if rumors are true ,with that new blast and fnp buff he seems to be nice support/shooting unit

Probably 12-18" at a guess.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Swapping current bladevanes for an improved HoW is a straight nerf- there's no getting around it. Unless we're looking at something like strength 6 AP3 HoW (which we're almost assuredly not- more likely it's just strength 6 HoW), then the ability is now garbage because Reavers are garbage in assault against everything and HoW that allows cover-saves isn't going to force enough wounds through to even the odds for them.

Bladevanes was great before because it allowed Reavers to avoid committing to an assault they couldn't win by just turbo-boosting over the unit and continuing to enjoy their 3+ jink-save. Now, they're going to have to actually get into an assault to do any damage, which means death.

I suppose one way to alleviate that problem would be to give them hit and run via the Bar- oops.

I think so too

It was useful in my experience because my opponent used to turbo-boost behind my units, making me split off something to try and charge them. It was surely interesting because they were often near enough to try a charge but it was not assured.
Once in combat... reavers were usually done for.

The old bladevane was good, while HoW is nothing to write home about on a reaver (which isn't actually suited to close combat).

It seems the trend is to cut off the unique abilities of each army... this does not bode well for my necrons either.
If it's an attempt to balance stuff, this isn't balance but it's making everything bland

I read somewhere the how was meant to have rending caltrops which makes it more interesting.

Reavers needed a nerf, honestly.
And nightshields for 3+ jink is just awesome.
Anyone saying DE is a weak army dont know how to play it.

I need to see point values before we truly judge.

Reaver nerf does suck. The gun is terrible, the points are stupid expensive, and they aren't as durable as their preppy kin. Unless they're like 12 points a model, its pass. (Don't see why you'd nerf em. You'd think they'd love ot sell more 45 dollar kits).


As for the nightshields/flickerfield nerf. I don't see this as a nerf. This is actually a bit of a buff. Especially with splinter racks.

Basically, in this day and age, everyone's range except for Tau is 42 or above. There are soooo many auto cannons, las cannons, battle cannons, etc. Shaving 6 inches won't save you. Drop pod melta will still explode your face even on a single die.

The yacht club only works now adays because you can jink turn one without moving. Stealth basically makes your jink a 3 up. Thats pretty nice. And remember, if you jink, your passengers still fire at full BS. Hence the racks. The emphasis on the boat has shifted to an emphasis on the contents.

Am I polishing a turd? Hell yes. Compared to preppydar we're still ork levels of bad. But I truly don't see the loss of flickers and nightshields as a nerf.

The big nerf is if (and I think they did) increase the points of the boats and everything else. Stuff already cost too much for a cardboard box on a hover platform.

Goresaw wrote:
I need to see point values before we truly judge.

Reaver nerf does suck. The gun is terrible, the points are stupid expensive, and they aren't as durable as their preppy kin. Unless they're like 12 points a model, its pass. (Don't see why you'd nerf em. You'd think they'd love ot sell more 45 dollar kits).


As for the nightshields/flickerfield nerf. I don't see this as a nerf. This is actually a bit of a buff. Especially with splinter racks.

Basically, in this day and age, everyone's range except for Tau is 42 or above. There are soooo many auto cannons, las cannons, battle cannons, etc. Shaving 6 inches won't save you. Drop pod melta will still explode your face even on a single die.

The yacht club only works now adays because you can jink turn one without moving. Stealth basically makes your jink a 3 up. Thats pretty nice. And remember, if you jink, your passengers still fire at full BS. Hence the racks. The emphasis on the boat has shifted to an emphasis on the contents.

Am I polishing a turd? Hell yes. Compared to preppydar we're still ork levels of bad. But I truly don't see the loss of flickers and nightshields as a nerf.

The big nerf is if (and I think they did) increase the points of the boats and everything else. Stuff already cost too much for a cardboard box on a hover platform.

I did not say they were weak but this list leaves a sour taste in my mouth - sepcially compared to my still OP Eldar Codex

get rid of all the SC's - yeah we knew it was coming but its still rubbish
Wyches appear to be still crap at what they are supposed to be exceptional at.
no flickerfields except on Venoms - awesome................I assume it does not protect against the template attack on passengers either
Husk blade now AP3
Artefacts..........
Liquifer worse

Night shield was quite fun before now................

Regarding the Reavers, some of the rumours mentioned that their new HoW will have Rending and that they gain the Hit and Run USR. I wanted them to act as anti-FMC in my army, but they could actually see some other use if that rumour turns out true.