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I wouldn't mind, but they seem to just add stuff I dont really care about, just to knock up the price. I want them to bring out a £15 A5 version, but I guess Ill keep dreaming.

Same.

I am a massive bibliophile and I love books. I love the smell of a new book and I love all manner of book related things. I also love massive books (War and Peace, anything by Brandon Saunderson).

In this case GW have even made three separate books. Why in Tzeentch's name can't they release the rules individually. So many more people might actually pick up the hobby then.

I wouldn't mind so much if the previous edition hadn't only come out two years ago.

I also feel like GW has the notion that additional content, even in the form of bloat, equals more value. So they keeping adding "stuff" to warrant their increasing prices. But I feel like, especially when it comes to rules, that "less is more."

For me it doesn't really matter, but I have to say I'm a bit confused at GW's business strategy. The cost of entry seems pretty damn steep for potential new players.

Just for a laugh I went to games-workshop.com and added the bare minimum to get started to the shopping cart:

Rules book
Tau codex
Tau Battleforce
A paint set of five paints
One standard brush
One thin plastic glue (which, amusingly, you have to be 18 to buy)

£174.85

Wtf?

a 500-page hardbound book printed in full color?

$85 is a steal.

Just ask any textbook manufacturer.

Yea, I only got the iBooks core rules for 6th (haven't read a full rulebook since 3rd), looks like I can get the whole 3-book deal for $70 on iBooks. Having not purchased any of the expansions either, this seems like a pretty good deal.

 Ailaros wrote:
a 500-page hardbound book printed in full color?

$85 is a steal.

Just ask any textbook manufacturer.

Yes but were getting 3 Codex sized books 2 of which have no rules and are useless outside of coffee table books.

 DarkWind wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
a 500-page hardbound book printed in full color?

$85 is a steal.

Just ask any textbook manufacturer.

Yes but were getting 3 Codex sized books 2 of which have no rules and are useless outside of coffee table books.

There's also the fact that college textbook manufacturers have caught flack for money grabbing techniques like changing chapter and page numbers around to create a new "edition" and force students to buy new copies of their books rather than get them used.

But in the meantime, I'll just go ahead and finish Ailaros' next post for him:

Why don't you just go play chess?!

 slowthar wrote:

 DarkWind wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
a 500-page hardbound book printed in full color?

$85 is a steal.

Just ask any textbook manufacturer.

Yes but were getting 3 Codex sized books 2 of which have no rules and are useless outside of coffee table books.

There's also the fact that college textbook manufacturers have caught flack for money grabbing techniques like changing chapter and page numbers around to create a new "edition" and force students to buy new copies of their books rather than get them used.

But in the meantime, I'll just go ahead and finish Ailaros' next post for him:

Why don't you just go play chess?!

On the other hand, I actually use the 40k rulebook. I never use my class textbooks. With all of the online resources now: powerpoint, forums, articles...it feels like professors are assigning textbooks out of habit. Most of them are horrendously written, drafted by PhDs trying to explain intro physics to undergraduate economics majors. And frankly, most of those textbooks put in fewer changes between editions than GW does.

On the other hand, $35 for 10 plastic guardsmen is ridiculous (that's 3 times the price of 3rd party manufacturers). $4 for 0.4 fl oz of paint is ridiculous (that's 6 times as expensive as paint from an art store). No way I'm paying for the models or the paint, but the ruleset seems (relatively) reasonable.

DarkWind wrote:Yes but were getting 3 Codex sized books 2 of which have no rules and are useless outside of coffee table books.

And your opinion on supplemental material has what to do with the price of the rulebook?

slowthar wrote:There's also the fact that college textbook manufacturers have caught flack for money grabbing techniques like changing chapter and page numbers around to create a new "edition" and force students to buy new copies of their books rather than get them used.

And yet people still attend college. Hmm...

It's almost like expensive things can also be worthwhile.

TheSilo wrote:On the other hand, I actually use the 40k rulebook. I never use my class textbooks. With all of the online resources now: powerpoint, forums, articles...it feels like professors are assigning textbooks out of habit. Most of them are horrendously written, drafted by PhDs trying to explain intro physics to undergraduate economics majors

Or worse, you have to pay $100 for a "course packet" that's just a bunch of loose-leaf pages that is nothing more than a copied chapter of a textbook, a few random ramblings by the professor, and a few papers his grad students submitted 10 years ago...

I know a guy who had to buy a 20 page book for his course and it cost him about 40 quid.

 Ailaros wrote:

DarkWind wrote:Yes but were getting 3 Codex sized books 2 of which have no rules and are useless outside of coffee table books.

And your opinion on supplemental material has what to do with the price of the rulebook?

Why not just put out a rules only book separate from the other 2 books that I'm paying extra for that I don't care to own. Just seems like a poor business strategy that all.

It should come with the free ebook addition though. You shouldn't have to buy the two separately.

I'm okay with the price, but only because I'm new to the hobby in general. I like how it is separated into three different books. If I was a seasoned player, then I would prefer having the option of just buying the rules separately.

Maybe if I was sure the book would last a good number of years. Two years is way too short for an $85 rulebook.
Also, I'd expect better rules than " Feth it, just do what you want"

 Ailaros wrote:

slowthar wrote:There's also the fact that college textbook manufacturers have caught flack for money grabbing techniques like changing chapter and page numbers around to create a new "edition" and force students to buy new copies of their books rather than get them used.

And yet people still attend college. Hmm...

It's almost like expensive things can also be worthwhile.

Did you just seriously compare the investment of a gaming rulebook to the investment of getting a college degree? Wow.

It's never hit me so hard as in the past few days on these forums that there's a group of people that will buy anything GW puts out for any price, and, perhaps more impressively, they will staunchly defend their purchase as logical, justifiable, and intelligent.

God bless all of you, but a fool and his money are soon parted.

They separated it into 3 different books. I just want the rules not the other crap.

I would have no problem paying $85 for the rulebook.

I'm less excited about $140.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Maybe if I was sure the book would last a good number of years. Two years is way too short for an $85 rulebook.
Also, I'd expect better rules than " Feth it, just do what you want"

This echoes my sentiments exactly.

Bad rules released whenever the company needs money. That's not inspiring me to rush out and buy 7th edition. So I won't.

 Ailaros wrote:

slowthar wrote:There's also the fact that college textbook manufacturers have caught flack for money grabbing techniques like changing chapter and page numbers around to create a new "edition" and force students to buy new copies of their books rather than get them used.

And yet people still attend college. Hmm...

It's almost like expensive things can also be worthwhile.

What.



Because I'm sure everyone out there trying to get a career as a doctor or a lawyer will be quizzed intensely on the current ruleset for 7th ed WH40k. After finishing their Tabletop degree of course.

You can compare anything you get long-term enjoyment at a cost to anything else you can get long-term enjoyment from at cost.

Deflect by bickering over choice of metaphor all you want, it doesn't change the fact that some times expensive things are still worth the money.

 Ailaros wrote:
You can compare anything you get long-term enjoyment at a cost to anything else you can get long-term enjoyment from at cost.

Deflect by bickering over choice of metaphor all you want, it doesn't change the fact that some times expensive things are still worth the money.

And it's up to the consumer to decide that for themselves. Many, in the case of 7th edition, appear to have decided that this expensive thing is not worth the money.

 Ailaros wrote:
You can compare anything you get long-term enjoyment at a cost to anything else you can get long-term enjoyment from at cost.

Deflect by bickering over choice of metaphor all you want, it doesn't change the fact that some times expensive things are still worth the money.

You're right, my fault. It's totally comparable and logical. I don't know why I would think that my college education, which brought me a great career as well as many valuable life experiences, not to mention paying for itself multiple times over, isn't just like blindly buying a wargaming rulebook that could have cost a third of the price and will most likely be useful for a maximum of 2 years.

I don't know how I didn't see it before. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

If their reasoning for the new rulebook is to fix balance issues then I'm okay with it. My two complaints are 1. I only want the rule book, not the fluff and 2. It seems to early to buy another rule book. If it had been five years then I'd be fine with the product as is, of course we would complain about balance the whole time if it was that long.

In Canada they're charging $100.
Some bs right there.

 Rotary wrote:
If their reasoning for the new rulebook is to fix balance issues then I'm okay with it. My two complaints are 1. I only want the rule book, not the fluff and 2. It seems to early to buy another rule book. If it had been five years then I'd be fine with the product as is, of course we would complain about balance the whole time if it was that long.

It looks like they're throwing balance (and rules, for that matter) out the window entirely with stuff like Unbound, and as far as fluff goes, the daemonology stuff makes it seem like they're throwing that out the window, too.

 insaniak wrote:
I would have no problem paying $85 for the rulebook.

I'm less excited about $140.

ahhh Aus we get such an amazing book and pay what 55$ more for the pleasure... crazy americans almost tempted to get mates in the states to send me a copy lol


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 Triton wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
You can compare anything you get long-term enjoyment at a cost to anything else you can get long-term enjoyment from at cost.

Deflect by bickering over choice of metaphor all you want, it doesn't change the fact that some times expensive things are still worth the money.

And it's up to the consumer to decide that for themselves. Many, in the case of 7th edition, appear to have decided that this expensive thing is not worth the money.

and i dont think you can assume that dakka is the "many" of the community of 40k players, its the absolute minority overall...

 joeforever wrote:
In Canada they're charging $100.
Some bs right there.

That's actually the government's fault, mostly. All books are that much more expensive in Canada.

As to the original question, I've got the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth edition rulebooks as well as an old copy of Rogue Trader that I found in a bin one time. I think I've got enough art and background. It would be nice to be able to just get the rules so I can carry on with playing the game. I'll probably just get the eBook version on this one, save myself $40. I like actual books a lot more, but I've got plenty already.

I haven't got the BRB rulebook since 2nd edition. This new set gives me the enjoyment of the hobby and fluff section which I will reread many times over. I think at $80 discounted, it is a fair price for the book.