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The one unsharded, and also most powerful C'tan deserves some use in Apoc games.
I think a points cost of 4000 points, with rules drastically less hilarious than the Imperator is about right.
The Void Dragon will be portrayed by a 24 inch tall Neca LoTR Balrog.
To make this a gargantuan creature, which is the only thing that makes sense, we're going to have to break a couple rules. Namely stats higher than 10.
The Void Dragon is the easiest to do, just give him some upgrades to all Necron units in the army, and some shoot-bangs that (while nowhere as hilarious as the Imperator) are still very impressive.
Without further ado.

Mag'ladroth the Void Dragon
WS:5/ BS:5/ S: D/ T:10/ W:25/ I:6/ A:6/ LD:10/ 2+/4+
Unit type: Gargantuan Creature
Unit Formation: 1 Void Dragon
Special Rules: IWND, Fear, Fearless, God of the Material Plane, The Invincible Legion, Starved and Dying
The Invincible Legion: All Necron infantry in your army have a 4+ Feel No Pain.These benefits are lost if the Void Dragon is somehow destroyed.
God of the Material Plane: Mag'ladroth has a variety of abilities similar to psychic powers, but that need no outside interference from the foul warp. They are borne of The Dragon's own godlike power. Mag'ladroth has 5 charges per turn to use these abilities.
--------------------------------Annihilation Maelstrom: Cost:2/ 120" range/ S:7, AP:4, Assault 36
--------------------------------Cannon of Shattering: Cost:3/ 120" range/ S: D, AP:1, 10 inch blast
--------------------------------The Great Dying: Cost:2/ 80" range/ 15" blast/ All units with toughness 3 or less, caught under the blast, take a test. Roll a d6. On a 2 or above, those who fail die instantly.
--------------------------------Wrath of the Dragon: Cost:3/ For this Assault Phase, the Void Dragon's stomp attacks now use massive blasts. This power may only be used once per game.
--------------------------------The Unstoppable Charge: Cost:2/ All non vehicle Necron units within 15 inches of the Void Dragon gain rage, and rampage for the duration of this Assault phase.
--------------------------------Black Fire of The Dragon: Cost:1/ 18 inch template/ S:10, AP:1, Melta, Assault 2

The Void Dragon isn't unsharded, and giving rules to something that can remove whole planets from the timestream and cast solar systems into black holes is a terrible idea.

^ That. I find it hard to believe anyone on this planet has an army large enough to justify Mr. Dragon facing it. Even with allied players.

 Ashiraya wrote:
^ That. I find it hard to believe anyone on this planet has an army large enough to justify Mr. Dragon facing it. Even with allied players.

And when the Old Ones were pouring fire from multiple blackstone fortresses into it (you know, those things that use the power of the warp in such tremendous ways as to tear apart planets and solar systems with ease and fire the things that the C'tan are weak to) the Void Dragon at best got sleepy.

No one has that kind of dakka. Even in Battlefleet Gothic, the Void Dragon would be an auto-win.

Not to mention that as a reality warper, the Void Dragon can just wave his hand and now your army is a bunch of ducks or gravity applies in the opposite direction for them; sending them all careening helplessly into space, drain everyone on the planet like a super-sized metroid, or throw the entire planet into the sun.

He wouldn't even be trying really.

Giving rules to full powered and actual physical gods is not within the scope of any rules for any game system that the 40k setting is run under.

 Kain wrote:
The Void Dragon isn't unsharded, and giving rules to something that can remove whole planets from the timestream and cast solar systems into black holes is a terrible idea.

On all the wikis he's listed as unsharded, and warlord titans have rules despite being able to decimate mountains and islands, and take blows like that in return.
Because of something called scaling.
For the sake of looking at the rules only let's say this is a newly awakened famished, void dragon.

This guy's just an instant win.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This guy's just an instant win.

Warlord Titan has more firepower, is tougher, and can be repaired.
Not to mention being cheaper.
Actually state what you like, and don't like, it's not difficult.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This guy's just an instant win.

Warlord Titan has more firepower, is tougher, and can be repaired.
Not to mention being cheaper.
Actually state what you like, and don't like, it's not difficult.

Then he is just too weak, as he should be far stronger than a Warlord unless you are going for a Shard, in which case you can just use the normal Shard unit.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This guy's just an instant win.

Warlord Titan has more firepower, is tougher, and can be repaired.
Not to mention being cheaper.
Actually state what you like, and don't like, it's not difficult.

And Warlord titans do not make the army they are in nigh invincible as well.
NOR are Warlord Titans as indestructible as this guy.

I see you're falling into the old habit of 'well it doesn't have as much firepower therefore it is balanced', which is a complete line of bull and we both know it. It still has more than enough combination of firepower and outside effects to make putting him in your army the "I WIN AT EVERYTHING AND I AM THE BEST" crap that is the worst trait of overpowered apocalypse things.

I echo the other sentiments that there is no place for this guy on the tabletop unless you're simply looking for the most stupidly broken way to waste someone's day when you say "hey let's play Apocalypse".

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Kain wrote:
The Void Dragon isn't unsharded, and giving rules to something that can remove whole planets from the timestream and cast solar systems into black holes is a terrible idea.

On all the wikis he's listed as unsharded, and warlord titans have rules despite being able to decimate mountains and islands, and take blows like that in return.
Because of something called scaling.
For the sake of looking at the rules only let's say this is a newly awakened famished, void dragon.

The Necron codex is very unambiguous about this; all C'tan are sharded, period.

And a Warlord Titan can't wiggle his fingers and rewrite the fabric of reality on a solar system wide scale (and that's lowballing him by assuming he's not that much greater than the average full C'tan).

He'd be an auto-win even in battlefleet gothic. Nevermind 40k.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
The one unsharded, and also most powerful C'tan deserves some use in Apoc games.
I think a points cost of 4000 points, with rules drastically less hilarious than the Imperator is about right.
The Void Dragon will be portrayed by a 24 inch tall Neca LoTR Balrog.
To make this a gargantuan creature, which is the only thing that makes sense, we're going to have to break a couple rules. Namely stats higher than 10.
The Void Dragon is the easiest to do, just give him some upgrades to all Necron units in the army, and some shoot-bangs that (while nowhere as hilarious as the Imperator) are still very impressive.
Without further ado.

Mag'ladroth the Void Dragon
WS:5/ BS:5/ S: D/ T:10/ W:25/ I:10/ A:10/ LD:10/ 1+ (2+ that can only be negated by AP1)/ 3+

Get rid of the 2+ special save, just make it a standard 2+/

Unit type: Gargantuan Creature
Unit Formation: 1 Void Dragon
Special Rules: IWND, Fear, Fearless, God of the Material Plane, The Invincible Legion
The Invincible Legion: All Necron units in your army have a 4+ Feel No Pain, It Will Not Die,, and Eternal Warrior. These benefits are lost if the Void Dragon is somehow destroyed.
Get rid of this. It should either be a force multiplier or killing machine, not both.
God of the Material Plane: Mag'ladroth has a variety of abilities similar to psychic powers, but that need no outside interference from the foul warp. They are borne of The Dragon's own godlike power. Mag'ladroth has 5 charges per turn to use these abilities.
--------------------------------Annihilation Maelstrom: Cost:2/ 120" range/ S:7, AP:4, Assault 36
Assault 36? Bit too much
--------------------------------Cannon of Shattering: Cost:3/ 120" range/ S: D, AP:1, 10 inch blast/ Melta, Armorbane
--------------------------------The Great Dying: Cost:2/ 80" range/ 15" blast/ All units with toughness 3 or less, caught under the blast, take a test. Roll a d6. On a 2 or above, those units are instantly killed.
--------------------------------Antimatter Fists: Cost:2/ Mag'ladroth's melee attacks gain Melta, Shred, Fleshbane, Armorbane, and Lance.
So he's already Destroyer in combat, yet you think he needs Melta, Shred, Flesh/Armourbane and Lance? Seriously?
--------------------------------Black Fire of The Dragon: Cost:1/ 18 inch template/ S:10, AP:1, Melta, Assault 2

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
This guy's just an instant win.

Warlord Titan has more firepower, is tougher, and can be repaired.
Not to mention being cheaper.
Actually state what you like, and don't like, it's not difficult.

Tougher? It has 25 wounds that can only be caused by AP1, while making your entire army invincible!

It's worth noting that the Emperor himself struggled with a mere shard of the Void Dragon.

That's the kind of power we're talking about here.

Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Why'd you delete your avatar man?

I always had fun having people play "interpret whatever the feth this is" whenever I had parties at my house with your avatar.

Haha

Just looking for another one right now. I like switching things up.

Also: how do you dare having friends who do not know what a squig is?!

Just re use transcendent c tan rules and call it a day.

maybe give it some anti vehicle power so something.

Sigvatr wrote:
Haha

Just looking for another one right now. I like switching things up.

Also: how do you dare having friends who do not know what a squig is?!

It's hard to tell what something is when a portrait is so shrunken down.

There.

 Desubot wrote:
Just re use transcendent c tan rules and call it a day.

maybe give it some anti vehicle power so something.

The T'Ctan can have up to 2 D-weapons which seems to be anti-vehicle enough for me

 Sigvatr wrote:
There.

 Desubot wrote:
Just re use transcendent c tan rules and call it a day.

maybe give it some anti vehicle power so something.

The T'Ctan can have up to 2 D-weapons which seems to be anti-vehicle enough for me

Well i ment the kind from the regular c'tan that makes weapons get hot near by

Ether way yep.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Haha

Just looking for another one right now. I like switching things up.

Also: how do you dare having friends who do not know what a squig is?!

I found an avatar you might like.

Nah, 7th made me lost most interested in actively playing 40k and I'll only do ref-ing in the future. Still playing mah Goblinz.

 Desubot wrote:

Well i ment the kind from the regular c'tan that makes weapons get hot near by

Ether way yep.

Oh, you mean "Basically does nothing, but is cheap and since I have to buy one more..."

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

I don't see how this comparison is applicable here Oo

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

Yeah, that means nothing. At all.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

His first reaction would be to fly to the sun and eat it. Or maybe punch through the planet and then drain all of it's geothermal energy. Or just drain all the life force from the gnats trying to fight him with a mean look. The full power C'tan are absolutely beyond the scope of 40k's ruleset to represent.

And Thor was in that cartoon, not Hulk, and they only accomplished anything because of Ghost Rider's penance stare.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I don't see how this comparison is applicable here Oo

Galactus and the Void Dragon are very similar in terms of character.
They're both world ending entities who feed on planetary bodies for sustenance, and whose power fluctuates wildly because of this.


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 Kain wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

His first reaction would be to fly to the sun and eat it. Or maybe punch through the planet and then drain all of it's geothermal energy. Or just drain all the life force from the gnats trying to fight him with a mean look. The full power C'tan are absolutely beyond the scope of 40k's ruleset to represent.

And Thor was in that cartoon, not Hulk, and they only accomplished anything because of Ghost Rider's penance stare.

Just assume he can't escape and he has to fight the "gnats" at his feet to make his way to the sun to get a decent amount of power.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

'Cept Galactus was starved, poisoned, attacked, and drained, and even then Thor and the Fantastic Four were outrageously outclasses by him. The Ghost Riders Penitent Stare immobilized him, but even then didn't 'stop' him.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
I don't see how this comparison is applicable here Oo

Galactus and the Void Dragon are very similar in terms of character.
They're both world ending entities who feed on planetary bodies for sustenance, and whose power fluctuates wildly because of this.


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 Kain wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Bad idea. Beings as powerful as the C'tan, who can lay waste to entire systems with a blink of an eye and make entire hive fleets run away in pure fear cannot be appropriately represented on a tabletop level.

Not when recently awakened, and half dying from starvation.
Remember how a starved and near dying Galactus got beaten to death by Hulk, and Ghost Rider, in the old Fantastic Four cartoon?
Think of the same thing here.

His first reaction would be to fly to the sun and eat it. Or maybe punch through the planet and then drain all of it's geothermal energy. Or just drain all the life force from the gnats trying to fight him with a mean look. The full power C'tan are absolutely beyond the scope of 40k's ruleset to represent.

And Thor was in that cartoon, not Hulk, and they only accomplished anything because of Ghost Rider's penance stare.

Just assume he can't escape and he has to fight the "gnats" at his feet to make his way to the sun to get a decent amount of power.

Reality warping trumps just about any weapon you can throw at it.

Daemonic fury, scuttling swarms, Ork teknologee, Eldar mysticism, Imperial war machines, Dark Eldar cruelty, and Tau science don't count for much when the other guy can decide you are now a bunch of ducks or that your center of gravity is on the moon and a billion times more intense.

Holy cow guys.

Those are completely seperate universes with completely different rules. They aren't even comparable in the slightiest bit. Like, not at all. Like, really, really, any comparison falls apart as soon as you bring it up.

I don't judge Darth Vader's power compared to Bowser either...