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While I can understand the frustration that he is feeling, I personally like the pictures that are in all of the books. I am a terrible painter so I really enjoy looking at the models in the books. I think having a book for just the hobby is terrific and I honestly can't wait to look at it. I honestly really like the way this edition is laid out from what I have seen, and the rulebook is in fact smaller than the 6th edition one so I have no beef there.

That being said, just because you hate the fluff doesn't mean that everyone does. Venting is one thing, but I honestly feel you are at an unhealthy level of upset over a book. The rulebook is smaller, so bonus there. It's an $80 book for crying out loud, I'd rather there be pictures of pretty stuff and fluff here and there rather than a wall of text. Expecting no pictures is unreasonable to expect at this point given GW's track record.

But if you want to look at awesome painted models there are sites for that and you could look at them for free , and people that aren't interested in GW painted models wouldn't have to pay for book they won't even open .

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Roci wrote:
Just rip out the extra pages. I remove everything that isn't a or pertaining to a rule.

How does one rip out a spread like the one I referred to without removing actual rules?

There was such virtue in this idea, and it's all been wasted.

Something in this thread is lacking virtue for sure.


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A miniature game's rule book has miniatures in it... no freaking way!

 Lobukia wrote:

A miniature game's rule book has miniatures in it... no freaking way!

This is that little "I thought of this afterwards, better include it" type comments, isn't it? I know because it was an appended post and I do that all the time.

I'm not aversive to having pictures of miniatures in my wargames rulebook. But that makes me okay with a page that's 7 parts rules, 1 part pictures or something to that ratio.

The specific image I was referring to was a spread of ultramarines that take up two thirds of the page.

That is unreasonable.

 Magc8Ball wrote:


From what has been rumored, the replacement DV book isn't going to be a full rulebook. It's just going to have rules for the stuff in the box. No vehicle rules, etc.

So what you are saying is then the Helbrute will not be in the DV box set then?

 kronk wrote:
Then wait 2-3 months and get the starter set rulebook they are making for Dark Vengeance off ebay.

Or just keep griping about absolutely nothing. That's fun, too.

You're aware the starter set rulebook is no longer going to contain the full rules, right? Just enough to get through a specific Dark Vengeance scenario?

 Triton wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Then wait 2-3 months and get the starter set rulebook they are making for Dark Vengeance off ebay.

Or just keep griping about absolutely nothing. That's fun, too.

You're aware the starter set rulebook is no longer going to contain the full rules, right? Just enough to get through a specific Dark Vengeance scenario?

Have we seen confirmation of this?

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Anyone got the rulebook yet?

I imagine some of you have, noticed how many pages are wasted on photographs of miniatures?

I seriously hope I'm not the only one pissed off that I will have paid extra for a book separat to the marketing material and fluff, and still have to cart around marketing material.

I got mine on Wednesday and was going to do a big overview on here like I usually do but I was so goddamn angry that it was a copy paste from 6th including identical pictures in many case.

This wasn't an effort to "change the game" this was a direct effort to cash grab as much as they can. Nothing was done to improve it and in some cases actually made it much worse.

I'm just going to do what I suspect most people will do; wait for a new boxed starter set.

I'll take the new rulebook, the inevitable SM models to add them to my army and e-bay the rest.

If what Triton says is true about the boxed set rules, GW can kiss my 40K money goodbye, or I'll find other means of finding the rules

On the subject of the new rulebook set. I don't want 3 books, 2 of which I couldn't care less about. If I want awesomely painted models, I'll flick through Dakka's galleries, I can't stand 'eavy metal teams painting style; Just because you can edge highlight every bum crevice and cod piece, doesn't mean you should.

I'm not putting money down for the rules. I'll just borrow my friend's book to read through once, then rely on store copies for when there are rules disputes. It's really not that different from 6th the way 5th was.
Now, if they publish a "just the rules" book for around $50, I'll get onboard that. I'm not interested in purchasing the fluff and purty pictures again...

Dear Customer,

We apologize for not giving you a lifeless, stale textbook of a rule book that will make you long for the exciting reading of a legal brief. Next time we will ensure the rulebook is a 40 page unbound document with no spacing or paragraph markings so that you can have the pure rules reading experience you want

From
Games Workshop


Now that I've said that, for the love of god quit the hobby and go be an arse in some other hobby, this is the dumbest god damn complaint I've ever heard.

"THEY MADE MY RULE BOOK TO PRETTY THOSE BASTARDS"

You will never be happy in life, just accept that and do what you need to.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Anyone got the rulebook yet?

I imagine some of you have, noticed how many pages are wasted on photographs of miniatures?

I seriously hope I'm not the only one pissed off that I will have paid extra for a book separat to the marketing material and fluff, and still have to cart around marketing material.

I got mine on Wednesday and was going to do a big overview on here like I usually do but I was so goddamn angry that it was a copy paste from 6th including identical pictures in many case.

This wasn't an effort to "change the game" this was a direct effort to cash grab as much as they can. Nothing was done to improve it and in some cases actually made it much worse.

I guess the joke of paying for a FAQ/Errata is not so funny now. Damn, I even wished I never joked about it. It came true.

 Jaceevoke wrote:

 Triton wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Then wait 2-3 months and get the starter set rulebook they are making for Dark Vengeance off ebay.

Or just keep griping about absolutely nothing. That's fun, too.

You're aware the starter set rulebook is no longer going to contain the full rules, right? Just enough to get through a specific Dark Vengeance scenario?

Have we seen confirmation of this?

There's no confirmation of this. It is possible, though I doubt it.

An A5 rule book is a great way to entice (sucker) people into buying an entire starter set when all they want/need is the little rule book.

I didn't buy the Dark Vengeance starter kit as it didn't contain anything that I needed, but I had bought the old Battle of Macragge starter set waaaaay back in 4th ed. It not only contained the little rule book that contained all of the rules, but it also contained a nice thin set of rules and scenarios and stats for playing a game with the models contained in the set. The Assault on Black Reach didn't have the little added supplement for playing limited games with the models that you just bought, just the rules.

They could easily place either, or both, or none of these things in the updated Dark Vengeance set.

Edit: I was wrong. The Black Reach set did contain the thin supplement that had the stats for the models contained. Just no scenarios.

Edit 2: It's odd. Looking through both of the supplements, the Assault on Macragge has scenarios to play limited games but no real stats and the Black Reach supplement has fulls stats a few special rules but no points costs and no scenarios. Like I said, odd.

Anyway, there's no telling what they are going to do.

I'm waiting until e-bay listings pop up that are just selling the rules potion of the set. No need to waste money on crap you aren't gonna use. If anything I might buy the fluff but the miniature gallery can go die in a fire.

Sorry, but if you buy something before having a look at it first, you deserve to be ripped off.

The lack of options is what I take issue with. I don't want or need the fluff book or the art book. But because they have included both of those, they're charging a, frankly, ridiculous price for all 3 when I imagine some players want the standalone rule book at a reduced price so they can actually play some games.

Or alternately, GW can pull its head out its arse and put up the rules, for free, on the website so people can actually play their game. But there I go on my imaginary fairy train into the sherbet kingdom again....

Edit: Lack of sleep leads to incoherent points....zzzzzz

Why Games Workshop makes people pay for their catalogs is beyond me. It's like they think part of the Wargaming hobby is looking at the same miniatures from the box kits in the same terrain kits they have been shilling for a decade or so now. If they had included "See those models? See that terrain? Wanna make/paint it?" articles with them that'd be cool. But it's just HD shots of the miniatures with a few lines of text.

 Purifier wrote:

 kronk wrote:
if the pictures are used to illustrate something pertinent in the rules.

If that is actually the case, then the prosecution has no further questions, your honour.

In "The rules" most of the images used are to illustrate things like falling back, or how weapons work, or unit coherency. It's really not nearly as bad as people are making it sound in my opinion.

Orktavius wrote:Dear Customer,

here we go.

We apologize for not giving you a lifeless, stale textbook of a rule book that will make you long for the exciting reading of a legal brief. Next time we will ensure the rulebook is a 40 page unbound document with no spacing or paragraph markings so that you can have the pure rules reading experience you want

is... is this not the point of a rulebook? It basically is a textbook. What's wrong with having a lifeless textbook?

From
Games Workshop

don't you know that emails from GW aren't real news/argument sources here on dakka?

Now that I've said that, for the love of god quit the hobby and go be an arse in some other hobby, this is the dumbest god damn complaint I've ever heard.

I'm afraid you're the one being an arse here, mate.

"THEY MADE MY RULE BOOK TO PRETTY THOSE BASTARDS"

I didn't pay money for rules, apparently?

You will never be happy in life, just accept that and do what you need to.

I'm quite a happy person. I'm just upset that I had to waste money on a product that isn't what I wanted.

I would prefer it to be a bland and tasteless piece of writing, so long as it was well-written bland and tasteless writing. I don't buy a textbook to look at fething pictures, I buy a textbook to learn from it. I buy a rulebook to learn the rules.
This is a very viable complaint. I didn't want my rules to be 140 pages of colour images, poorly made analogies and simply bad explanations for the way things are. Reading even a page of this rulebook is a mission because of all the clutter in it.

I don't mind the odd image of a space marine army, or a spread over an A4 to separate one section from another, but to waste half a fething spread on a single image? That's downright bs.

And, it's not once that they do this, it happens several times. I get that there's a reason for the rules to be exactly 208 pages. I get that. But there's enough space wasted making the book """"""""pretty"""""""" (and I use exactly 16 quotes, both for emphasis and because they need it to be in sets of 16) that it could be 192 pages, heck it could've been 176 at the rate they went at.

I'm sorry mate - in fact, no, I'm not sorry. You're wrong in this matter. You approached it as an attack on me and that's just downright uncalled for. I think you need to have a read of dakkas rules again, then decide whether your manor here is acceptable or not.

Then wait, and get the cheaper version.

Those who won't wait, pay more. That's life in general.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
I'm not putting money down for the rules. I'll just borrow my friend's book to read through once, then rely on store copies for when there are rules disputes. It's really not that different from 6th the way 5th was.
Now, if they publish a "just the rules" book for around $50, I'll get onboard that. I'm not interested in purchasing the fluff and purty pictures again...

I bought the set, and the extra books really aren't worth it (unless you like collecting books). They're nice in and of themselves, and might be worthwhile for beginners, but nothing really new here, especially if you have the 6th edition book already. I'd wait for the rulebook to start hitting ebay, if interested in 7th at all.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Then wait, and get the cheaper version.

Those who won't wait, pay more. That's life in general.

It's not really the price though, is it? Does it strike you as likely that the book will have less of the problems I'm complaining of, because it's smaller and cheaper? I realise that a cheaper version of the rules will be shortened to keep it small, but they won't cut out their precious images of spehs marheens doing nothing in particular, they'll cut out the unimportant appendix with "Advanced rules" like every special rule, weapons, terrain and psychic powers.

Of course, I'm aware that the Book is simply an A5 rather than an A-almost-4, and for the most part the font is just smaller;

Anyway, I've paid for it already. Of course I would. I don't mind paying more, and overall I'm happy that the rulebook itself is about a third of the size of sixth, and it strikes me that this rulebook is just an amalgam of the rules supplements they'd already put out, with a few rules tweaks/clarifications. I was willing to pay for that. I'm just incensed by their almost hap-hazard inclusions of spreads (not like one or two, which could potentially be construed as diagrammatic) but upwards on half a dozen, a dozen. These bother me because they belong in the "A Galaxy of War" book, which I was willing to pay for so I'd never have to carry it around or look at it unless I was out of toilet paper inscriptions to look at.

I may look at "Dark Millenium", if and only if my internet is faulty and thus I can't access to same, dry, tastelessly written material on lexicanum, and it's been so long I've run out of pamphlets and/or better material to read in my wasteful hours.

I have many criticisms of GW and this new edition.

Pictures in the books isn't one of them.

I'm sick all of all these pictures there are on dakka! Don't the admins realise that I could just google "40k images" and I'd have thousands of pictures of 40k images right in front of me, for free and at my convenience?

But no, instead they insist on ramming in as many pictoral monstrosities into the web page as they can, interrupting the flow of nerd rage that sustains me. I mean, they even have a separate page on their website dedicated to showing you pictures of models, yet still page after page of discussion is cluttered up with so called "avatars" and "images". Pathetic.

I demand my money back.

KommissarKarl wrote:


I demand my money back.

You are the only one to blame here. See the money as an expensive lesson for the future and only buy stuff you have looked into first before buying.

Straight up Ads in the book,... more so than before...



Ref: http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Also, if you enjoy the hobby and fluff pictures stop buying stuff from GW. There are tons of free websites, forums, blogs, Facebook groups, YouTube videos and more that are far more valuable assets to enjoying and improving your modeling and painting skills.

This is stuff that other companies include in their rules or provide for free to provide you an incentive to purchase their models and enjoy the models. Not like GW which focuses on "enjoying" the purchase.

 TheKbob wrote:
[/spoiler]Straight up Ads in the book,... more so than before...

Spoiler:

Ref: http://conclaveofhar.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/warhammer-40k-revenge-of-sixth-or.html

Also, if you enjoy the hobby and fluff pictures stop buying stuff from GW. There are tons of free websites, forums, blogs, Facebook groups, YouTube videos and more that are far more valuable assets to enjoying and improving your modeling and painting skills.

This is stuff that other companies include in their rules or provide for free to provide you an incentive to purchase their models and enjoy the models. Not like GW which focuses on "enjoying" the purchase. [spoiler]

Wow, that add, right in the middle of the book is kind of tacky. In the back would have been better. That's 1990's comic book style right there.

Are we really onto whinging about too many non-relevant pages now

Seriously. Do what I do, buy some absurdly cheap sticky notes, put them on all the pages (down by the bottom so they hang out) you need to refer to quickly, including the special rules section, mission section, game set up, psychic powers, whatever pertains to your list. Make sure you write the section they mark on them.

That costs so little and takes very little time to set up. You do that easily in less than 5 minutes after buying the sticky notes the next time you visit a convenience store/supermarket. Or failing that, there is a mystical, undiscovered, unused feature you'll find in pretty much any reasonable informative book, known as the Index. Gasp! Its even conveniently right at the back!

I often see people flicking randomly through hoping they'll eventually see the relevant section and when I do see this I feel like the table gains its own gravity, as I feel the urge to smack my head against it.

I'm thankful I don't have to wait like 3-6 months for the small RB that is actually practical to carry around and browse the rules with.

If you bought it without looking through it/waiting for reviews/whatever, then you got what you deserved. You're also the reason that GW keeps putting out gakky product; they know they can count on guys like you to buy gak sight unseen, regardless of whether or not it's good.

 Triton wrote:
If you bought it without looking through it/waiting for reviews/whatever, then you got what you deserved. You're also the reason that GW keeps putting out gakky product; they know they can count on guys like you to buy gak sight unseen, regardless of whether or not it's good.

Bingo, what you allow is what will continue.

Buy gak, get more gak, until that gak is so gakky it makes gakky gak look good.