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 easysauce wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
specialist weapons are gone.

Come to here where our power fists powered with our pistols!

no, no they are not... they work the same as in 6th.. pg 173 my man

ıgh must have missed it . and pg 172

Thanks for the help guys, I'm updating the list as we go


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

- Tank shocked changed to 1/2 the armour value rounded up

What does this mean?

If you're armour 10 you get to add 5 to your damage.
11 would be 5.5 so 6

It used to just be for every point above 10 you got a point, now it's more damaging

All glance and pens still remove a hull point, not just when the damage chart says. pg 75

edit: also one thing to add for rams, dozer blade increases your AV for the ram by 1, both for giving the hit and taking one.
so a chimera with a dozer blade rams at S8 and has av 13 against the return hit

 Celtic Strike wrote:
UNIT TYPE:
[i][b]- Artillery can move and shoot

Bojazz wrote:
Helloooooo Eldar D-cannons

Step back space hippy, it's OUR time to shine!

Nemesor Zahndrekh + CCB
Vargard Obyron
Squad of 3 Focused Death Ray Sentry Pylons
Total = 905pts

Deployment: Place the Vargard with the Sentry Pylon unit somewhere in your backfield inside cover (preferably LoS blocking) and the Nemesor in his CCB somewhere where he'll he able to cruise into 24" range of the bulk of the enemy army.
Turn one: Cruise the Nemesor in his pimp ride as close as you can to the enemy army, have Obyron deepstrike without error along with the pylons to within 6" inches of him and proceed to drop 3 3d6" lines of dual S10 AP1 hits on as much of the enemy army as possible.
Profit.

 DarbNilbirts wrote:
All glance and pens still remove a hull point, not just when the damage chart says. pg 75

edit: also one thing to add for rams, dozer blade increases your AV for the ram by 1, both for giving the hit and taking one.
so a chimera with a dozer blade rams at S8 and has av 13 against the return hit

Yeah, but that's not what I was saying. The rulebook says that if an ability or weapon says it just causes a result (E.G Causes a weapon destroyed result) but doesn't specifically say that it ALSO drops a hull point, you don't drop a hullpoint.

Dozerblades? Really, they're awesome now!

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Thanks for the help guys, I'm updating the list as we go


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

- Tank shocked changed to 1/2 the armour value rounded up

What does this mean?

If you're armour 10 you get to add 5 to your damage.
11 would be 5.5 so 6

It used to just be for every point above 10 you got a point, now it's more damaging

If my memory serves me well from when I was going through the rulebook this morning, I believe they also removed the speed damage that would be added for every 3" travelled prior to the ram to even it out a little.

Yeah, I just double checked that. True

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Thanks for the help guys, I'm updating the list as we go


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

- Tank shocked changed to 1/2 the armour value rounded up

What does this mean?

If you're armour 10 you get to add 5 to your damage.
11 would be 5.5 so 6

It used to just be for every point above 10 you got a point, now it's more damaging

Ah...so it's for Ramming gotcha.

Crew stunned has changed how it affects flyers

models in open topped transport hit by templates

Non-character warlords (i.e. wraithknights) don't generate warlord traits

Player who deploys first may choose to go first or second after deployment

New warlord table and traits

FMCs have the jink USR...which means they can use it even when gliding!

I don't remember this from 6th, but if an IC is in a unit that is falling back and under 25%, the unit can still regroup.

Buildings have hull points now, so bastions and the like are very vulnerable now against gauss.

Loving this list. Thank you.

Here's a question, though. I've heard from several sources that vehicles can no longer gain extra movement by pivoting before moving. Can you confirm this?

steinerp wrote:
Crew stunned has changed how it affects flyers

models in open topped transport hit by templates

Non-character warlords (i.e. wraithknights) don't generate warlord traits

Player who deploys first may choose to go first or second after deployment

New warlord table and traits

Where did you see the transport thing? I didn't see it myself. Same with the warlord trait. Thanks though

Yeah, the warlord traits are pretty great.


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 ClassicCarraway wrote:
FMCs have the jink USR...which means they can use it even when gliding!

I don't remember this from 6th, but if an IC is in a unit that is falling back and under 25%, the unit can still regroup.

Buildings have hull points now, so bastions and the like are very vulnerable now against gauss.

Yeah but Jink got a huge nerf as well, but I'll put it in the list as I overlooked it before

IC's let units below 25% regroup in last edition as well


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 Jimsolo wrote:
Loving this list. Thank you.

Here's a question, though. I've heard from several sources that vehicles can no longer gain extra movement by pivoting before moving. Can you confirm this?

No problem!

Pivoting now happens from the middle of the model, not measured from the most forward edge. Depending on the shape of the vehicle this will reduce movement by a decent amount.

I'll add that to the list

I don't see anything stating that flyers can only fire 2 missiles per turn. Am i missing it?

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Pivoting now happens from the middle of the model, not measured from the most forward edge. Depending on the shape of the vehicle this will reduce movement by a decent amount.

This is not a change, you already pivoted from the middle of the model in 6th. In fact, that's the whole point of how you gain "extra" distance, you deploy a vehicle sideways and then pivot so that it's pointed straight at the enemy and the closest point of the model is now closer to its target. Example:

{Enemy is over here} Deploy like this: Then pivot like this: ║║║ ========= ║║║ ====O==== ║O║ ========= ║║║ ║║║

See how the center point of the vehicle doesn't move forward at all, but the closest point of the model is now slightly closer?

Exploding vehicles did str 4 hits before as well, should remove that one.

-An exploding vehicle no longer leaves a difficult terrain crater, it is just removed.

-A wrecked vehicle is only difficult terrain, not also dangerous.


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 Happyjew wrote:
So wait, if losing 25% causes morale checks in the Assault phase now, what happens if you take 25% casualties, but win the assault?

For example. Warboss vs 2 Tac Marines.
Tac Marines do two Wounds to the Warboss, Warboss kills one Marine.
Marines win combat 2-1, however suffered 25% casualties.

Pg 57 says specifically that the 25% casualties rule doesn't apply to the assault phase.


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 Celtic Strike wrote:
- Move through cover, not slowed when charging (Still no info on if that means you don't need assault grenades)

Pg 47 says that you fight at init 1 even if you are not slowed by difficult terrain.


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 Celtic Strike wrote:

steinerp wrote:


models in open topped transport hit by templates

Non-character warlords (i.e. wraithknights) don't generate warlord traits

Where did you see the transport thing? I didn't see it myself. Same with the warlord trait. Thanks though

Yeah, the warlord traits are pretty great.

Pg 173 under "No Escape". Devastating.

Pg 124 at the end of the third paragraph.

Psychic beams no longer lose str as they hit things.
Snipers lose rending, still get precision shot and AP2 on a a 6 to wound, also Str 4 vs vehicles.




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Night fighting, Pg135. It's only night fighting if a player wants it turn 1, on a 4+.

Also Battle brothers can repair each other's vehicles.

Walkers can no longer pivot in the shooting phase.

Vehicles get a 4+ cover just for being IN the ruins and not just 25% obscured. (Same for other terrain data sheets)

 Celtic Strike wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Loving this list. Thank you.

Here's a question, though. I've heard from several sources that vehicles can no longer gain extra movement by pivoting before moving. Can you confirm this?

No problem!

Pivoting now happens from the middle of the model, not measured from the most forward edge. Depending on the shape of the vehicle this will reduce movement by a decent amount.

I'll add that to the list

Which is how it's been for the last 18 years and is why vehicles can gain extra movement by turning.

Did the Poison SR change?

 invisiblade wrote:
I don't see anything stating that flyers can only fire 2 missiles per turn. Am i missing it?

It still says fliers can shoot four weapons though


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 portugus wrote:
Psychic beams no longer lose str as they hit things.
Snipers lose rending, still get precision shot and AP2 on a a 6 to wound, also Str 4 vs vehicles.

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Night fighting, Pg135. It's only night fighting if a player wants it turn 1, on a 4+.

Also Battle brothers can repair each other's vehicles.

I think I covered the sniper thing I think but S 4 vs Vehicles is cool

Night fighting is only Stealth now too




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rigeld2 wrote:
Did the Poison SR change?

Not that I saw


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 Leonus wrote:


Pg 173 under "No Escape". Devastating.

Pg 124 at the end of the third paragraph.

Cool, thanks

 TauterTwiggy wrote:
Walkers can no longer pivot in the shooting phase.

Vehicles get a 4+ cover just for being IN the ruins and not just 25% obscured. (Same for other terrain data sheets)

Reference? Doesn't sound right at all.

 Leonus wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
So wait, if losing 25% causes morale checks in the Assault phase now, what happens if you take 25% casualties, but win the assault?

For example. Warboss vs 2 Tac Marines.
Tac Marines do two Wounds to the Warboss, Warboss kills one Marine.
Marines win combat 2-1, however suffered 25% casualties.

Pg 57 says specifically that the 25% casualties rule doesn't apply to the assault phase.

Must have mis-read OP. Oops.

 Byte wrote:

 TauterTwiggy wrote:
Walkers can no longer pivot in the shooting phase.

Vehicles get a 4+ cover just for being IN the ruins and not just 25% obscured. (Same for other terrain data sheets)

Reference? Doesn't sound right at all.

Page 77, left column, second dot down, as well as first sentence on page.

 Celtic Strike wrote:
- Added rules for Apocalypse blast markers

Which is a bit weird, given that the current Apocalypse blast markers are still not available to buy...


Edit: Ah... ok. They've said 'use the new markers if you have them, otherwise use the old ones that we still sell'...

What a peculiar thing to do.

Warlord trait is paragragh 3 of page 124.
Open topped transport is page 173, paragraph labelled "No Escape"

Both are easy misses because the warlord trait sentence is the one right after the bold and the No Escape starts by talking about buildings.

I can't find anywhere it says you can't charge out of a transport. Ignoring the assault vech. rule which clearly states it, for a non assault it is not listed or I cant find it.

Could this mean we can charge out of our rhinos and things again?

 cormadepanda wrote:
I can't find anywhere it says you can't charge out of a transport. Ignoring the assault vech. rule which clearly states it, for a non assault it is not listed or I cant find it.

Could this mean we can charge out of our rhinos and things again?

So utilizing that reasoning. My Land Raider is a skimmer and can deep strike because it doesn't say its a skimmer and has the deep strike special rule. Come on man.

rigeld2 wrote:
Did the Poison SR change?

I think that now you only get rerolls to wound if your strength score exceed's the target's toughness. Plague Marine knives only wound half the time against vanilla marines, instead of 75%.

 Byte wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:
I can't find anywhere it says you can't charge out of a transport. Ignoring the assault vech. rule which clearly states it, for a non assault it is not listed or I cant find it.

Could this mean we can charge out of our rhinos and things again?

So utilizing that reasoning. My Land Raider is a skimmer and can deep strike because it doesn't say its a skimmer and has the deep strike special rule. Come on man.

That is not the same at all. Previously it was clearly written you could not charge. Nowhere (that I can find) does it say you can't now. Saying I don't have an attribute is not saying like a rule. Try to be less assertive with your argument and more reasoning.

There is no reasoning with your argument. 40K isn't a ruleset of exclusion.