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Since Chariots confer Relentless to their riders now (From what I've heard about 7th ED)

Will you be taking Burning Chariots for their Pink & Blue Flames of Tzeentch?

I honestly want to bring some now. Simply because Torrents are annoying for people to go up against (Especially since Pink Fire is AP3) and Str 9 AP 2 is nice for hurting TEQ models.

It's to bad though that the Herald replaces the Exalted Flamer otherwise it'd be one of the best things you can take but as it is it's now a strong consideration considering you could have 4 of them with a Herald of Tzeentch rolling with them giving out Cursed earth to make them 4+ Invulnerable.

Just to bad it doesn't come with the weapons itself that sucks so badly.

I was wondering as well if people could be using them as mobile Portaglyphs. (in a sense, ill elaborate)

Since vehicles gain from cover far differently in comparison to infantry due to the % of of vehicle covered, would it be safe to say you could just part an Exalted Chariot with a Herald in some ruins for their standard 3+ maximum cover save, then just Cast Shrouding + Invisibility. Either or the bloody things will have 2+ cover saves rerolling 1s. If you get invisibility then by gosh the bloody things can only ever be fired successfully through snap shots, and can only be hit in CC from rolls of 6!

It only takes 1 herald of tzeentch with Shrouding to effect all models within 6" of himself to boot. Basically making a few of these suckers hiding out in a building something fierce with some pretty scary weaponry.


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Or just take Be'Lakor.

Because Be'Lakor.

Yeah but what would it do just sit there and not get shot at? Their pretty crappy without their abilities.

Well that's why you have the Exalted Flamer

The Blue Fire is pretty sweet in and of itself, no one really used it to bother with it. But Be'Lakor sitting next to 3 of these suckers effectively giving himself Shrouding grants them all 2+ cover if you're in anything 4+ terrain.

Blue fire can dish out 3 - 6 - 9 str 9 ap 2 shots at 18"s.
Pink fire is a torrent str 5 ap 3.

I'm gonna test these things out when I buy em and see how it goes

They of course received a buff a buff with the new chariot rules, the new vehicle damage chart, as well the competition from Daemon Princes being lowered due to the FMC nerfs. So yeah, maybe we will see on the battlefield now.

I'm still not sure if I would want to take one over a soul grinder though.

For the point cost they are pretty amazing but as stated Soul Grinders really really edge them out with their buffs that they got this time.

I like the though.

Also if you get a Herald in a chariot he doesn't come with the shooting attacks their wargear for the Exalted dude. So yeah he'd just be a mobile Portaglyph.

Oh I'm aware that it's the Pyromancer who shoots But a Herald can still cast Flickering Fire and the likes.

I love my Soul Grinders <3 I dismantled my Defilers and magnetized the things to function as both once I started collecting Daemons. I'm gonna see what I can put together with the both of them in a list. I always loved the Grinders with my Plague Drones simply to sling them off of Icons for free Deep Strikes. That will never be topped lol

The more psykers the better.I heard that if you put two summoning daemon armies against each other the games will take 6+ hours. Summoning more than 500pts of fast attack is going to be nice.

jakl277 wrote:
The more psykers the better.I heard that if you put two summoning daemon armies against each other the games will take 6+ hours. Summoning more than 500pts of fast attack is going to be nice.

This sounds so amazing lol

I'm so stoked for that kind of battle. I love the fluff idea of Daemons just POURING out of the warp Makes me want to dump a couple hundred dollars on more troops and the likes XD(I won't, screw that, I need to eat :3 )

Well I dunno how our army will deal with multiple knights since FMC has been nerfed significantly. But lots of summoning will be cool!

What are the AVs of Knights?

AV12/13. Burning chariots do put out 1-3 str 9 shots a turn, however I'm not sure how useful they will be vs knights.

With 18 range you will make an easy charge for the knight next tun, and that won't end well for you.

Don't knights only move 6" though? Or am I unaware of their Movement Potential? =/

GoliothOnline wrote:
Don't knights only move 6" though? Or am I unaware of their Movement Potential? =/

Super-heavy Walkers can move 12” in the Movement phase unless specified otherwise. Apart
from this, they obey the movement rules for Walkers.

There you go. Taken from the Knight codex.

I'm not sold on the Burning Chariot yet, honestly. It's AV 10-10-10 with its longest-ranged gun being 18''.

That pretty much requires it to get out into the open to do some damage, unless your opponent is stupid enough to hang a vulnerable unit near some cover for you to lurk behind.

So, on reading the new rules, I'm beginning to think this is potentially a strong, multi role unit as a Herald mount rather than the Exalted Flamer.

As a Skimmer, it can jink, but I can't find anything that says that forces snap shots on the rider, so you can choose to direct incoming fire onto the chariot, with the cover save, but still fire the Herald's PSAs at full BS.

Because all the offence comes from Psychic powers, it can move 12" then flat out 18", making it able to JSJ like a boss.

If you make the Herald ML3, thanks to Daemonic Focus you can automatically get all of the Tz powers, giving you potent anti infantry and anti tank, especially of you choose to load up with the Exalted Locus for the extra S.

Blue Horrors handing out -1 LD within a 12" bubble dovetails nicely with some Telepathy powers if you wanted to take an alternate approach.

Sure, fully loaded the points mount up, and there's an inherent fragility that can't be countered (other than by cunning movement) but this strikes me as a real winner out of 7th, and the Burning Chariot has now gone from a massive joke to a really eminently sensible choice to consider.

Can someone point me to where the chariot removes the IC rule or prevents the Herald joining a unit as I'm sure it shouldn't be able to, but can't find a reason why.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm not sold on the Burning Chariot yet, honestly. It's AV 10-10-10 with its longest-ranged gun being 18''.

That pretty much requires it to get out into the open to do some damage, unless your opponent is stupid enough to hang a vulnerable unit near some cover for you to lurk behind.

Often overlooked-the chariot itself is a deamon of tzench too, meaning it has 5+ invul and rerolls 1s.
Not exactly an ironclad, but its far more durable then "just 10-10-10"

 BoomWolf wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm not sold on the Burning Chariot yet, honestly. It's AV 10-10-10 with its longest-ranged gun being 18''.

That pretty much requires it to get out into the open to do some damage, unless your opponent is stupid enough to hang a vulnerable unit near some cover for you to lurk behind.

Often overlooked-the chariot itself is a deamon of tzench too, meaning it has 5+ invul and rerolls 1s.
Not exactly an ironclad, but its far more durable then "just 10-10-10"

With only a 5++ save it's still essentially made of paper. You just have to expend a bit more effort into killing it.

The chariot is now simply situational rather than unusable like before.

Just out of curiosity, did they change the rule that embarked models can only fire snap shots when moving Cruising Speed?

Chariots specifically state that their rider is always considered stationary.

Didn't know. Don't have the new rulebook (yet).

Yeah, they fixed the Burning Chariot by changing the rules, rather than issuing a FAQ.

 Kain wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm not sold on the Burning Chariot yet, honestly. It's AV 10-10-10 with its longest-ranged gun being 18''.

That pretty much requires it to get out into the open to do some damage, unless your opponent is stupid enough to hang a vulnerable unit near some cover for you to lurk behind.

Often overlooked-the chariot itself is a deamon of tzench too, meaning it has 5+ invul and rerolls 1s.
Not exactly an ironclad, but its far more durable then "just 10-10-10"

With only a 5++ save it's still essentially made of paper. You just have to expend a bit more effort into killing it.

The chariot is now simply situational rather than unusable like before.

That's why you hide it somewhere it's going to get the 3+ cover save from being a vehicle and X% covered. Like, behind a tree or anything else that should be riddling your game boards. Obviously if you're parking these things in the middle of the open, or you're playing on a board with 1 building and 1 solo tree some poor lumberjack forgot to cut down, you aren't going to be making much use of anything in terms of terrain. Most people have sufficient terrain pieces that they can keep their units within cover if not out of LOS. A simple tree can provide enough cover to obscure a chariots vision from enemy units to provide a 3+ with Tzeentch being the god of said chariot, you're rerolling 1s on your failed saves.

I'm so tired of the "lulz hide it" argument. It's almost as tired of an argument as the "distraction" argument for defending bad units.

The chariot has an 18' attack range maximum. Unless your opponent is an idiot, you're not going to be able to park it somewhere where it can both fire its weapons and benefit from a good cover save/LOS blocker.

So against a good player, it's going to get a turn of shooting, then get wiped off the board.

That's not even taking into consideration the plethora of ignores cover that's available in the game at this point.

Seems pretty straight forward. Deep strike without scatter thanks to cursed earth and open fire. The 4+ tzeentch invo upgrades it's durability from paper to wood, but it's not likely to give up first blood starting in reserve.

The big problem is it competes with av13 4hp soul grinders which only cost 35 points more..

 schadenfreude wrote:

The big problem is it competes with av13 4hp soul grinders which only cost 35 points more..

When you put it like that... hard to argue with.

wtnind wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

The big problem is it competes with av13 4hp soul grinders which only cost 35 points more..

When you put it like that... hard to argue with.

Except it doesn't. Because that points cost doesn't factor in a mandatory "Daemon of..." choice and will only net you the very average Harvester cannon.

A Soul Grinder, in reality, is closer to 200 points in most configurations you'd actually take.

That said, I do agree that there are much better heavy support choices, I think the Chariot is much better taken as a mount for a Herald.

Tzeentch Heralds cannot roll on Telepathy... You'll need Slaanesh dudes for that

I used one Chariot yesterday... took its points back quite easy against dark eldar boats filled with people. You can choose taking damage between the flamer and the chariot, so it has virtual 6 HP. Just beware S8+ or D weapons

Oh God... Dark Eldar seem like the most delicious target for the chariot you can get.

Next time I play my bud's Deldar, I'm going to take a couple of 'em.