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Holy terra

here is a place for a crossover fanfiction i am beginning to write, depicting the galactic empire as seen in 'return of the jedi' facing down an impending crusade from 40k at the current era.
characters will include: inquisitor ryke inquisitor pariov a lord admiral of the imperial navy. assorted sith (not canon but more fun) and some GE officials as well.
any input would be appreciated as well as names for characters and planets.


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by the way on the topic of navigation between galaxies i am assuming the astronomicon works and there is a wormhole or something between the two glaxies.

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Likely better off in the fan fiction section?

Lots of things to decide - how does the Jedi Force and the Warp interact and psykers crossing over to the other universe - how are they affected?

Does SW FTL work in the 40K universe and if there is no Warp how do 40K ships move large distances?

A lot of things tend to be one universe stomps the other - if you can avoid that might be interesting story...................

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The force and warp are different entities in this and the warp and hyperspace will work fine in both galaxies
Psykers and Jedi will be able to use their powers in both galaxies and have no issues.
I have some ideas for balancing the combat.

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Star Wars is incapable of any decent offensive. They cant win.

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Holy terra

they have thier entire galaxy facing only a crusade fleet from the imperium, just to make things interesting
plus thier fleets, while qualatativly inferior are much more numerous.


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The problem for the Imperium is that they move ridiculously slow compared to Star Wars. All Star Wars has to do is attack the IOM's Agri-Worlds and be gone before the Imperial Fleet knows what's happening. Additionally, SW massively out produces the IOM. It takes the IOM 100 years to build 1 Capital ship of 5 kilometers while the SW can build a 20 Kilometer long Super Star Destroyer in 10 years. If anything it's a stomp for SW.

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 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
The problem for the Imperium is that they move ridiculously slow compared to Star Wars. All Star Wars has to do is attack the IOM's Agri-Worlds and be gone before the Imperial Fleet knows what's happening. Additionally, SW massively out produces the IOM. It takes the IOM 100 years to build 1 Capital ship of 5 kilometers while the SW can build a 20 Kilometer long Super Star Destroyer in 10 years. If anything it's a stomp for SW.


One is the ultimate dystopia, with a tech production that's part religion, part forgotten and part slavery.

Other is a lot different.

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What actually happens: The Tyranids eat the Yuuzhan vong and kill everyone.

Or: Chaos explodes out of the eye of terror and kills everyone.

Or: Szarekh finds his command codes again and enslaves/kills everyone.

Or: Blaktoof or Gazghkull unite the Orks and kill everyone;.




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Forget the IoM. They're not the most dangerous things in the milky way, not by a longshot.

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as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

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BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The IoM is hardly the only thing in 40k.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/necrons-vs-composite-ge-composite-borg-unsc-covenant-ancients-goauld-wraith-meverse-and-tau.260364/

The Necrons alone could crush the galactic empire.

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 Kain wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The IoM is hardly the only thing in 40k.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/necrons-vs-composite-ge-composite-borg-unsc-covenant-ancients-goauld-wraith-meverse-and-tau.260364/

The Necrons alone could crush the galactic empire.


not wanting to read that, Necrons can, in large numbers, cross the galaxy in approximatly a day?

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Given what little I know about Hyperspace, I am under the impression that the reality warping effects of a 40k ship exiting or entering the Warp would probably do very bad things to Hyperspace.

Planets and even large asteroids have effects on Hyperspace due to their gravity. A 40k ship tearing the fabric of reality apart as it reenters normal space could destroy all the stable Hyperspace for light years in every direction.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Kain wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The IoM is hardly the only thing in 40k.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/necrons-vs-composite-ge-composite-borg-unsc-covenant-ancients-goauld-wraith-meverse-and-tau.260364/

The Necrons alone could crush the galactic empire.


not wanting to read that, Necrons can, in large numbers, cross the galaxy in approximatly a day?

It's unknown how fast they are other than that they are the fastest in terms of FTL.

And you should read it, it details how the Necrons crush many potent civilizations into dust at full readiness with just what we have seen from them.

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We played a star wars RPG once and my character was a Soldier/Teris Kasai (martial arts guy) mix who learned a buttload of tech skills and developed power armor and a power fist for himself.


The convertabliity is there.

Although, my guy was kinda OP againgst anything that wasnt a monster. I could one shot anyone with a constitution score of less than 23 or an insane AC.

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BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The imperium doesnt need to. Star wars has no method of going faster than light.

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pm713 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The imperium doesnt need to. Star wars has no method of going faster than light.


Hyperspace is effectively similar to Warp travel in that it involves going into a parallel dimension to travel faster than light.

However, it is still closely connected to realspace and safe hyperspace lanes are limited. While 40k has no such limitation within the physical universe. They could pop out somewhere on the other side of the galaxy if they wanted.

Heck, Star Wars ships can be forced out of hyperspace by a large asteroid in the way, and 40k ships are way bigger than asteroids.

Sure, Hyperspace travel is faster. If you have a safe lane to travel through. Its much like traveling on train tracks, you are limited in where you can go by if there is a safe hyperspace lane. Some places can't be traveled to at all in SW because there is no hyperspace to travel through.


Thats all discounting 40k ships having far greater range on their weapons and more powerful weapons to boot.

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Personally I would be more inclined to enjoy it if the two forces are roughly evenely matched - leaves more room for tactics, poltics and double crosses.

So yes, the SW universe has realiable FTL but 40K has the ability to "sometimes" jump much further -but its not realiable and "bad things can happen".

Have Star Destroyers and Imperial Cruisers roughly equivalent in firepower..........

Astartes will be very powerful but a lightsabber will cut them in half - a confrontation between a Librarian and a Jedi Master/Sith would be interesting .......

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 Grey Templar wrote:
pm713 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
as others have mentioned, the speed of hyperspace travel vs warp travel would give the win to Star Wars. the Imperium of man would be unable to mount an effective defence.

The imperium doesnt need to. Star wars has no method of going faster than light.


Hyperspace is effectively similar to Warp travel in that it involves going into a parallel dimension to travel faster than light.

However, it is still closely connected to realspace and safe hyperspace lanes are limited. While 40k has no such limitation within the physical universe. They could pop out somewhere on the other side of the galaxy if they wanted.

Heck, Star Wars ships can be forced out of hyperspace by a large asteroid in the way, and 40k ships are way bigger than asteroids.

Sure, Hyperspace travel is faster. If you have a safe lane to travel through. Its much like traveling on train tracks, you are limited in where you can go by if there is a safe hyperspace lane. Some places can't be traveled to at all in SW because there is no hyperspace to travel through.


Thats all discounting 40k ships having far greater range on their weapons and more powerful weapons to boot.


You also require maps. Which Star Wars cannot make.


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Personally I would be more inclined to enjoy it if the two forces are roughly evenely matched - leaves more room for tactics, poltics and double crosses.

So yes, the SW universe has realiable FTL but 40K has the ability to "sometimes" jump much further -but its not realiable and "bad things can happen".

Have Star Destroyers and Imperial Cruisers roughly equivalent in firepower..........

Astartes will be very powerful but a lightsabber will cut them in half - a confrontation between a Librarian and a Jedi Master/Sith would be interesting .......


Actually Power Armour is pretty resistant to lightsabres and I recall this discussion from ages ago where it was determined imperium ships weaponry is vastly stronger than star wars. It gets very interesting on the ground though.

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Maybe. maybe not - its "magic" sword hiting a "special" metal - it might cut straight through, bounce off or cut it a bit - lets face it both things are usually plot driven (as it should be) and there is no "right answer".

Like I said would rather the story was well a story and so the exact details of the power of the wepaons, armour, engines was hand waved to be roughly equal - as long as they are portrayed in the right way and the style, characters and story are good, the details are malliable - esepcialy in two ficitonal universes where even the source material can be conflicting.

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I think a Lightsabre would probably cut through ceramite with the same ease which Qui-gon Jin was attempting to cut through the blast doors. So its doable but far from no resistance.



Plus, its been stated that Jedi have a far more difficult time evading solid projectiles than blaster fire. Something about solid projectiles makes them more difficult to effect or sense with the force.

And the first time a Jedi blocks a bolt round with his sabre he's going to get a face full of shrapnel. Not to mention he needs to block dozens at a time, Star Wars apparently has no full auto HMG blasters

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Maybe. maybe not - its "magic" sword hiting a "special" metal - it might cut straight th. rough, bounce off or cut it a bit - lets face it both things are usually plot driven (as it should be) and there is no "right answer".

Like I said would rather the story was well a story and so the exact details of the power of the wepaons, armour, engines was hand waved to be roughly equal - as long as they are portrayed in the right way and the style, characters and story are good, the details are malliable - esepcialy in two ficitonal universes where even the source material can be conflicting.


Its something heat resistant blocking something that cuts by melting things. Not slowing things massively but enough to force Jedi into a slower fighting style

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The biggest thing I can see being a problem for the Imperium are blasters, of all things. While most blasters are particle beam weaponry, there are many Blasters that are actually plasma based, like the Clone DC-15 series.

And we all know how nasty Plasma can be to the Imperium. And the Star Wars universe uses them heavily without exploding.

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Just because its plasma doesn't mean its all that powerful.

Tau Burst and Pulse weaponry is all plasma and its not even close to as powerful as Imperial Plasma.


I'd put a heavy blaster rifle as being no more powerful than a Pulse rifle.

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A pulse rifle is still more than enough to put down a Guardsman.

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I don't know. For all we know an ISD can crush a Necron tomb fleet without issue or that a Lasgun equipped soldier could mow down legions of Rebel soldiers. The canonical power of the 40k factions varies, the canonical power of the Star Wars factions vary a bit and we don't know how powerful the magical space metals and guns of either universe are in respect to each other. Just pick a respective power level, roll with it and let the fans rage at you.

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A pulse rifle is still more than enough to put down a Guardsman.


But that is roughly equivalent to a heavy blaster rifle. A moderately rare weapon even among military organizations. Its basically the equivalent of an LMG.

Not every Star Wars trooper is going to be toting a weapon like that. They'll be using regular Blasters at best.

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Depends - if a blaster is a plasma weapon then it might well "get hot" in the 40k Universe

"we don't know how powerful the magical space metals and guns of either universe are in respect to each other. Just pick a respective power level, roll with it and let the fans rage at you. "

This, a thousand times this

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Holy terra

i love how this has turned into a debate thread
if you want to see the start of the actual story there is another thread in the fiction section with the same name
as i have stated this is a crusade into the wars universe by the imperium led by myself, inquisitor Archius Ryke
part of the whole point is that the crusade catches the GE by surprise
in addition the impirium ships are going to outclass the GE ships by several times over, as you would expect from
ships whose main guns have yields measured in PETATONS who are designed to slug it out for weeks to months on end using continent crack firepower

i have an interesting idea for a kind of parallel battle of endor between the impirium and the GE and death star.

the link to the actual fiction is here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/596698.page
i would ask that most of the discussion remains here however

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IMO lightsaber cuts through power armour no problem. Only problem is the amount of Jedi/Sith would not be sufficient to hold back the numbers that the imperium (not to mention any of the xenos that get through). I think all things aside it could make a very interesting story, and my vote would be with the SW universe.

Let's say for argument sake that lightsabers don't cut through power armour, I feel like the Star Wars world is screwed. Against a fleet of the imperium they could survive for sure, with heavy casualties, but world vs. world SW has a big fracking job ahead of them.

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Not sure if still going but...

upon reading the fiction of the IG invasion I had a concept of seeing an IG armored force (with sentinels, russes, and the like) going head to head with the SW Empire ground forces.

I imagine that the AS-STs (aka chicken walkers to many) would do more damage to the infantry and kill several sentinals but when either the Sentinals with heavier weapons mass fire or a Leman Russ shows up they could fall to pieces.

Even at one point having an urban combat scenario where a squadron (I dunno the numbers they usually travel in but lets say a squad of 5) of AT-STs are moving through a city engaging IG infantry and doing a fair good job losing only 1 to a lascannon blast before the HW teams are singled out, even killing several Sentinals. Only to round the corner and a mighty Baneblade crushes the detatchment with weight of fire and superior armor.

It would be told from the point of view of one of the AT-ST pilots with it ending, where, in a barrage of heavy bolter fire from the Baneblade his copilot desperately attempts to shut the window hatchs (I do believe they are open and have no glass or shields, but I don't remember anything saying they are protected) for protection get his arms blow off from bolter shrapnel and dieing to his wounds, it all ends when the AT-ST keels over on its side from the explosive force of the Baneblade cannon ripping open another AT-ST and the Baneblade advances running over and crushing the POV pilot's AS-ST.

AT-ATs on the other hand would fair decently well, with their heavy laser weapons being also extreamly accurate (in the movie they can snipe single people out of a crowd), a group of 3 would give a detachment of Leman Russ Tanks a lot of problems losing one to a Vanquisher shell to the head, but the Russes would have many damaged or destroyed in the fight.

I don't know why but I allotted the At-At to have the armor of a Land Raider (14 all around) and that only a large number of shots or a really powerful shot would bring one down)

I had it in my concept of the radio reporting to the commander of a Vanquisher that one of the battle tanks entire left side was sheered off from a At-AT laser blast, along with equally devestaing hits being taken throughout the story. The 2nd AT-AT falls from a mass barrage of fire from the tank company, cracking its armor through weight of fire. the final AT-AT would be downed from a duel with a Reaver Titan with a Melta Cannon blast finishing the AT-AT off.

I envisioned it that the armored forces would not exactly be equal but it would not be a curb stomp by any means. the sheer numbers and firepower of the imperium would win out but the GE would make a good show of it.

There are plenty more GE armored units in the lore as far as I know, but I think a good fight involving the 2 most well known, the AT-ST and AT-AT would be best. If I remember right, the GE also has other various units like hover tanks, enormous APCs and all sorts of things, to see a slug fest between them and Imperial ground forces would be spectacular.

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