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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker



Northampton

RIght, bear with me:

The rules for marker lights say that as shooting is resolved simultaneously it is impossible (not banned) from a unit to benefit from it's own marker lights.

Now, thanks to the nice new shooting rules, shooting is NOT resolved simultaneously and therefore it is no longer impossible for a unit to benefit from it's own marker lights.

This would obviously contradict with the existence of networked markerlights - but that isn't a rules problem, there are many things that contradict each other's existence just fine.

So firing order could go:

6 Markerlights
3 Hits resolved (3 marker tokens added)
Remove three marker tokens
Fire Darkstrider at +3 BS
Resolve Darkstrider
Fire Rail rifles at -1T and +3BS

Barring an FAQ, what is stopping that?
   
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Screaming Shining Spear





I think that "impossible" can only ever mean that it is not a possible option. The reason given is now incorrect, but that doesnt change the fact that it is not possible.

Thats just how I see it anyway, but I'm almost 100% sure they will FAQ it in that manner. Otherwise, as you said, Networked Markerlights would be pointless.

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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw





Liverpool

Every army is in need of an FAQ at the moment.

But the intent of this rules is 100% clear, even if the RAW is currently a bit shaky.
   
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker



Northampton

I see what you're getting at, and an FAQ may be possible, but I have less faith in how much they will fix - FAQ's lately haven't been great and rarely answer any questions that are frequently asked.

I think the issue if left open to interpretation is the fact the Tau book specifically references a firing order which no longer exists - ultimately all that is left with a tatter of a rule is to apply one's own interpretation and there is no formal was of doing this. In fact the new book goes one step further and clearly references a shooting attack is not 'made' until the firer elects to use that weapon type.
   
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Sneaky Kommando




North Carolina

Until there's an FAQ I'd say that codex trumps rule book. Regardless of the new order of shooting I'd say RAI mean a unit can't benefit from its own markerlights.

At least that's how I'd want it played until something specific overules that.

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Longtime Dakkanaut






The codex is not wrong. While the weapons are resolved one at a time, the shooting is still happening simultaneously.
   
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Poisonous Kroot Headhunter





Manchester uk

I thought under the Markerlight rules it specifically says that a unit can't benefit from its own Markerlight? In fact I think it clearly states it's impossible for the same unit to benefit from it.
   
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PastelAvenger wrote:
I thought under the Markerlight rules it specifically says that a unit can't benefit from its own Markerlight? In fact I think it clearly states it's impossible for the same unit to benefit from it.


It does, The OP mentioned that.
   
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Manchester uk

Morale of this story....don't skim read and reply
   
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Regular Dakkanaut



Shoreline

It should be the same as 6e mainly because it says "Immediately before a unit from C:TE shoots at a target..." pg 68
So before any shots are made by a unit it must make use of the markerlights already.

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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant





Plano, TX

A similar argument is made about vehicles shooting ordinance weapons last to avoid snap firing. Gotta faq dat, stat.
   
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker



Northampton

Tautastic wrote:
It should be the same as 6e mainly because it says "Immediately before a unit from C:TE shoots at a target..." pg 68
So before any shots are made by a unit it must make use of the markerlights already.


Yo know what, that's just about the strongest argument against it that I've seen - good spot.
   
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Newcastle, NSW ,Australia

random_man wrote:
Tautastic wrote:
It should be the same as 6e mainly because it says "Immediately before a unit from C:TE shoots at a target..." pg 68
So before any shots are made by a unit it must make use of the markerlights already.


Yo know what, that's just about the strongest argument against it that I've seen - good spot.


I made that argument in a different thread a day before him lol I want the credit lol

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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





Brisbane, Australia

Actually, this is wrong.

The rules say

PG68 Tau Codex wrote:Immediately before a unit from Codex: Tau Empire shoots at a target that has one or more markerlight counters...


Further...

Note that as the Markerlight Counters are removed from the target before the shooting attack is made, it is impossible for a unit to benefit from its own markerlights.


Regardless of how shooting is resolved, the markerlights need to be in place before the unit shoots, not before the model shoots. The rules here are very explicit, no matter how the shooting phase has changed. The unit's shooting is resolved before you go onto the next unit's shooting. It does not matter if a model's shooting is separate.

 
   
 
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