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So there's been some argument whether Pink Horrors know Malefic Powers.

From the rulebook

If a Psyker has a Mark of Chaos or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God (see Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons), that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows.


The key here is IN ADDITION TO. Pink Horrors a ML 1.

This also means that Aligned Psykers such as Heralds, CAN NEVER get the focus power.

It states no where in the book that Pink Horrors have to take Tzeentch powers only.

I hope this clears things up.

Pink horrors have a fixed psychic power, they do not generate their powers like other psykers, so they do not avail of the psychic focus rule. Nor do they have access to any other powers, rulebook or otherwise.

This rules debate can be summarized in my mind by one question; can Typhus roll his powers on Malefic?

His Codex restricts him to only Nurgle. Can he roll Malefic?

If yes, things like Pink Horrors, Heralds, etc, can also roll on Malefic, even though their Codex restricts them to only roll on certain Lores.

If no, currently no psyker (unless it says something vague like "can roll on any lore his army has access to") can trade in their powers for Malefic.



My opinion is that we cannot resolve this issue without FAQ's to know who can and cannot trade in their powers, so hold tight!

ItsPug wrote:
Pink horrors have a fixed psychic power, they do not generate their powers like other psykers, so they do not avail of the psychic focus rule. Nor do they have access to any other powers, rulebook or otherwise.

Point me to the rules where it says that thanks. Otherwise no you are just wrong. In fact Previously Pink Horrors most certainly could roll on the Tzeentch chart.

I mean you're just wrong.

rollawaythestone wrote:
This rules debate can be summarized in my mind by one question; can Typhus roll his powers on Malefic?

His Codex restricts him to only Nurgle. Can he roll Malefic?

If yes, things like Pink Horrors, Heralds, etc, can also roll on Malefic, even though their Codex restricts them to only roll on certain Lores.

If no, currently no psyker (unless it says something vague like "can roll on any lore his army has access to") can trade in their powers for Malefic.



My opinion is that we cannot resolve this issue without FAQ's to know who can and cannot trade in their powers, so hold tight!

Actually it clearly, states in the rule book that All Psykers except Tyranids can choose Malefic.

Hollismason wrote:

ItsPug wrote:
Pink horrors have a fixed psychic power, they do not generate their powers like other psykers, so they do not avail of the psychic focus rule. Nor do they have access to any other powers, rulebook or otherwise.

Point me to the rules where it says that thanks. Otherwise no you are just wrong.

Chaos Daemon Codex says "Pink Horrors generate their powers from the Change discipline." It could be interpreted that they can only therefore generate powers from Change, and may not, therefore take Malefic.


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Hollismason wrote:

Actually it clearly, states in the rule book that All Psykers except Tyranids can choose Malefic.

But it also clearly states that Psykers must take powers which are allowed them in their Codex. Currently, the rules contradict each other.

rollawaythestone wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

ItsPug wrote:
Pink horrors have a fixed psychic power, they do not generate their powers like other psykers, so they do not avail of the psychic focus rule. Nor do they have access to any other powers, rulebook or otherwise.

Point me to the rules where it says that thanks. Otherwise no you are just wrong.

Chaos Daemon Codex says "Pink Horrors generate their powers from the Change discipline." It could be interpreted that they can only therefore generate powers from Change, and may not, therefore take Malefic.

7th edition basic rulebook.

Unless otherwise stated, all Psykers, other than those belonging to the Tyranids Faction, can generate powers from the Daemonology discipline.

Psykers with the Daemon special rule can manifest Malefic powers as they would any other psychic power, but they cannot generate Sanctic powers at all.

Where is your god now?

Why are you people even arguing? This is clearly a brief interim period where some things are illegal, which will get sorted out in a FAQ in the near future.

Just give it up. Who cares? Wait for the FAQ.

It comes down to RAI and "the most important rule."

Until it's clarified some people are going to try and cheese it, sadly. Personally, I wont roll on sanctic for my GK units other than a librarian or make Draigo a ML 2 psyker who can rollon Sanctic because I think it's pretty obvious how this stuff is intended to work.

Hopefully we'll get answers in a week or so.

The problem is that the Chaos Psychic Focus is an additional granted power that happens after you generate powers.

It is also not actually "generating" a power which i think is a difference.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
It is also not actually "generating" a power which i think is a difference.

It would be a difference, but that's not quite how things work. Psychic Focus says that if you have powers that aren't a part of a specified discipline, then you may have Psychic Focus. The Gods' Powers are all from disciplines (Tzeentch, Change, Plague, etc), and so deny you the ability for Psychic Focus.

Therefore, Daemons and Marked Marines NEVER have Psychic Focus, and instead have Chaos Focus.
So a Daemon/Marked Marine always knows one more power than his PML, and that power is the appropriate Primaris of his God.
Similarly, a Librarian who only rolls on Divination knows one more power than his PML, and that power is the Divination Primaris. Good Psykers are focused on a particular discipline, Evil Psykers are focused on their God. It makes sense.

Hollismason wrote:
So there's been some argument whether Pink Horrors know Malefic Powers. They in fact have to know a Malefic power.

From the rulebook

If a Psyker has a Mark of Chaos or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God (see Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons), that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows.


The key here is IN ADDITION TO. Pink Horrors a ML 1, they cannot pick from Tzeentch again because they would break the rule of Half rounded up or 1 max number of spells from their Gods chart. Since they are Mastery Level 1.

This also means that Aligned Psykers such as Heralds, CAN NEVER get the focus power.

It states no where in the book that Pink Horrors have to take Tzeentch powers only.

I hope this clears things up.

The demon codex says " if the psker is a demon of a particular chaos god, they may ROLL up to half their powers (rounding fractions up) on the chart that corresponds to their patron"

Notice it says roll?

The brb says " If a psker has a mark of chaos or is a demon of a particular chaos god, that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows."

The primaris power granted by chaos psychic focus is not rolled for, so your not rolling more than half your powers on the change discipline.

So you can quit saying that demons must roll on malefic. Its completely untrue.

I suggest you wait for the FAQ.

 BarBoBot wrote:

The demon codex says " if the psker is a demon of a particular chaos god, they may ROLL up to half their powers (rounding fractions up) on the chart that corresponds to their patron"

I've looked in the entries for Daemon Princes, KoS, Heralds of Slaanesh/Tzeentch/Nurgle, Ku'Gath, GUO, Changeling, Blue Scribes, Fateweaver, Pink Horrors, and LoC. I did not see this quoted rule. Can you please provide the page number for me?

Edit: I suspect you misused quotation marks, which is a terrible, naughty thing to do. Only say things are direct quotes if they are in fact direct quotes.

 BarBoBot wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
So there's been some argument whether Pink Horrors know Malefic Powers. They in fact have to know a Malefic power.

From the rulebook

If a Psyker has a Mark of Chaos or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God (see Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons), that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows.


The key here is IN ADDITION TO. Pink Horrors a ML 1, they cannot pick from Tzeentch again because they would break the rule of Half rounded up or 1 max number of spells from their Gods chart. Since they are Mastery Level 1.

This also means that Aligned Psykers such as Heralds, CAN NEVER get the focus power.

It states no where in the book that Pink Horrors have to take Tzeentch powers only.

I hope this clears things up.

The demon codex says " if the psker is a demon of a particular chaos god, they may ROLL up to half their powers (rounding fractions up) on the chart that corresponds to their patron"

Notice it says roll?

The brb says " If a psker has a mark of chaos or is a demon of a particular chaos god, that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows."

The primaris power granted by chaos psychic focus is not rolled for, so your not rolling more than half your powers on the change discipline.

So you can quit saying that demons must roll on malefic. Its completely untrue.

I suggest you wait for the FAQ.

Hrmm RAW you are correct, so in fact you could have 2 Tzeentch powers on Pink Horrors or 1 Tzeentch 1 Malefic i will correct that

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:

The demon codex says " if the psker is a demon of a particular chaos god, they may ROLL up to half their powers (rounding fractions up) on the chart that corresponds to their patron"

I've looked in the entries for Daemon Princes, KoS, Heralds of Slaanesh/Tzeentch/Nurgle, Ku'Gath, GUO, Changeling, Blue Scribes, Fateweaver, Pink Horrors, and LoC. I did not see this quoted rule. Can you please provide the page number for me?

Edit: I suspect you misused quotation marks, which is a terrible, naughty thing to do. Only say things are direct quotes if they are in fact direct quotes.

Its under the Psychic Powers actual list right before the powers themselves. It's mentioned though that yes in fact you are not forced to take Malefic, as it states Roll.


There's no need for a FAQ, it's pretty clear that Pink Horrors can in fact take Malefic.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 BarBoBot wrote:

The demon codex says " if the psker is a demon of a particular chaos god, they may ROLL up to half their powers (rounding fractions up) on the chart that corresponds to their patron"

I've looked in the entries for Daemon Princes, KoS, Heralds of Slaanesh/Tzeentch/Nurgle, Ku'Gath, GUO, Changeling, Blue Scribes, Fateweaver, Pink Horrors, and LoC. I did not see this quoted rule. Can you please provide the page number for me?

Edit: I suspect you misused quotation marks, which is a terrible, naughty thing to do. Only say things are direct quotes if they are in fact direct quotes.

Page 68 of the demon codex. Exact quote.

Edit: please read the rules before accusing me of misquoting.

"For example a Daemon Prince with the Daemon of Tzeentch special rule and Mastery Level 3 could roll once on the Biomancy table, once on the Telepathy table, and once on the Discipline of Change table. ALTERNATIVELY, HE COULD GENERATE ALL THREE OF HIS POWERS FROM THE BIOMANCY TABLE, but cannot generate more than two of his powers from the Discipline of Change table."
-pg. 68 Daemons Codex

This seems to say that if a Daemon has access to a discipline other than his god's, like malefic, then he is not restricted to that god's discipline.

"In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic
powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always
start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random
psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him."
pg. 488 of 7th rulebook (pdf)

Pink horrors do not have specific powers so they may choose to roll on either the Malefic or Discipline of Changing tables.

Official update

My digital dex says pink horrors generate from discipline of change or malific demonology.

So based on that and chaotic psychic focus a pink horror can roll on malific, then gets the primaris of change.

Done

Please don't Necro 4 month old threads.