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I don't think that there is a vendetta, for me GW is that long lost creepy uncle who once you've hung out with them for a long while and gotten to know them well keeps trying to give you the bad touch. I like Necomunda and had good times in 1st and second edition. I stayed up on rules from 3rd to 4th but the company kept reaching out to grab my naughty place, and now I just cannot look at them the same way. I play other games.
Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
I find GW is like a crazy ex-girlfriend: you still find her hot and attractive and you shared good moments in the past together and every now and then you still check her out on Facebook but every time you do that there's the grim reminder that she's still bat-gak insane.
heartserenade wrote: I find GW is like a crazy ex-girlfriend: you still find her hot and attractive and you shared good moments in the past together and every now and then you still check her out on Facebook but every time you do that there's the grim reminder that she's still bat-gak insane.
That might just be the best analogy for this I have ever seen.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
But this website is so out to get GW that we almost come off as a bad parody of a GW hater.
Who is "this website"?
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
I think most people who actually care about the games GW sell, would like GW plc to care about those games a similar amount.
The level of apathy, and ignorance, not to mention arrogance that the senior management at GW plc has simply poisoned the most inspiring game settings we know.
How can our favorite game setting survive when GW plc is just using it as a 'low brow hard sell' mechanism to generate short term cash?
How can driving long term players away by focusing on 'teen appeal' toys and cool sounding rules work as a business plan.
When the products are priced toward the older player collector with above average disposable income?
GW plc is run by and for Mr T Kirby.
When viewed from this perspective all the actions of GW plc make much more sense.
As Mr Kirby retires in the next couple of years with a £200k p.a. pension and about £3m profit from dividend payouts already.
I dont expect much to change from the 'increase prices to make up falling sales volume' gak of the last 9 years.
But this website is so out to get GW that we almost come off as a bad parody of a GW hater.
Who is "this website"?
It is people who question people who question people who question GW's strategy and business practices.
And then the people who explain that the unemployment of high school age men in Greece is why GW is raising their prices.....
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
heartserenade wrote: I find GW is like a crazy ex-girlfriend: you still find her hot and attractive and you shared good moments in the past together and every now and then you still check her out on Facebook but every time you do that there's the grim reminder that she's still bat-gak insane.
But with just a little bit of therapy she could be less crazy enough to be exciting without being scary possessive... you keep hoping for that day.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
heartserenade wrote: I find GW is like a crazy ex-girlfriend: you still find her hot and attractive and you shared good moments in the past together and every now and then you still check her out on Facebook but every time you do that there's the grim reminder that she's still bat-gak insane.
But with just a little bit of therapy she could be less crazy enough to be exciting without being scary possessive... you keep hoping for that day.
It will never happen. She's only interested in attracting new "followers" and separating them from their hard earned dollars. She hasn't quite caught on that attitude counts for a lot and that sex appeal only carries you so far... especially when your tastes are increasingly expensive! (Cuz she's worth it! )
This may come as surprise.... But holy ****, that is super expensive for one model and pretty greedy on GW part. It will be hard to find the $37 in building, painting, and playing with it...
HOLY FREAKING GREEDY UPDATE BATMAN... Now they are posting this self same model for $44... I may have to graph this sucker on price fluctuation.
They probably have a formula that automatically jacks up the price based on sales within a given time frame.
No, no, no, best not to think things like than, forgetit, I said nothing....
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
WarOne wrote: Pretty soon GW employees will be unable to afford their own products.
They'll have to switch to cardboard cutouts in order to build the armies they want.
Coming soon to a GW store near you: GW FineCard.
$9.99 each for the finest cardboard standees.
This is Great News! With the new Citadel FineCard Standees, you can test tactics, formations, and deployment without lugging around those bulky figure cases! Citadel FineCard Standees only available with proof of purchase of the corresponding Citadel model kit. Standees only to be used as stand ins for models in possession of the player. Standees only approved for use in Standee-only games. Standees are not approved for use in official Games Workshop events and retail locations.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
WarOne wrote: Pretty soon GW employees will be unable to afford their own products.
They'll have to switch to cardboard cutouts in order to build the armies they want.
Coming soon to a GW store near you: GW FineCard.
$9.99 each for the finest cardboard standees.
This is Great News! With the new Citadel FineCard Standees, you can test tactics, formations, and deployment without lugging around those bulky figure cases! Citadel FineCard Standees only available with proof of purchase of the corresponding Citadel model kit. Standees only to be used as stand ins for models in possession of the player. Standees only approved for use in Standee-only games. Standees are not approved for use in official Games Workshop events and retail locations.
And To Mark the Launch of this monumental occasion we are offering all readers of our magazine an exclusive free limited edition Finecard Cutout, only available while stocks last
*You will also require a copy of the BRB, and the Finecard Expansion Rules (a near identical copy of the main rulebook with modified line of sight rules) accompanied by you're army book.
I suppose it gives them something to do with Rain forest they must have invested in based on the rate of Books and Magazines they're churning out =S
Nah, the Chinese Photocopiers would have the market all sewn up within a month...
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Armies: Space Marines, IG, Tyranids, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Dark Eldar.
I am the best 40k player in my town, I always win! Of course, I am the only player of 40k in my town.
There's lots I'd like to try and understand behind some of there recent decisions, other than some Old Man who's recently picked up from an 11 year old that Bad now means Good and taking it to the extremes in the work place or, consulting a magic eight ball on decisions I can't think of a logical explanation.
Do I want to see them fail, No, but I honestly don't see them growing further no matter how much Injection Molded Plastic or Paper they throw at us.
Less is More would be a good way to go for them, strip it back to Stat Cards for units and models and allow the average Joe to be able to pick up a box of cool looking models and use them game. Stores don't have the capacity for the size of games they're proposing, and people (in general) don't have the kind of cash
So I'll just try to enjoy it whilst it lasts I guess, I doubt anyone's to wake up and think, "Er, did we just fine all of our dedicated following with with a £50 book that's been copied and pasted for the best part, and reward them by saying all that crappy infantry they had to buy last month to play the game is actually that crap it's no longer necessary? So how are we gonna sell it? =S
Crap looks bad and Mr. Beeble is throwing in the towel somewhere between hard stop and pretty bad. Given the previous financial trends from previous years, GW is still probably down massive amounts of sales, with some locations that he's in the know with talking about a 50% drop. Given all the terrible scampering for the end of this fiscal year to include the rush job that is 7E (regardless if you like it or not...), brace yourself for some bad news. He's asking folks to discuss purely profit loss, such as breaking even isn't even a part of the picture.
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Some indications from GW stores all over Europe who told me that sales are at about 50% of last year point in this direction. From the few independent retailers I know I hear similar stories, including GW's attempt to move sales into this year by offering discounts in the next fiscal year,
Well that just sounds awful. This report will be a very interesting read.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
Some indications from GW stores all over Europe who told me that sales are at about 50% of last year point in this direction. From the few independent retailers I know I hear similar stories, including GW's attempt to move sales into this year by offering discounts in the next fiscal year,
Well that just sounds awful. This report will be a very interesting read.
It will be, but more about their spin versus actual outcome. I think GW can turn it around, though. Maybe a realization that "this ain't workin', boss" comes through. They could easily fix the rules, open up a community to help do it, and increase value of product by putting models back into packages without raising the price. Bring back 10 man Dire Avengers, 20 man guard, 10 man Sternguard, etc. Make a box for a unit the whole freakin' unit! Then kick out some better starter bundles that feature much bigger discounts to lower the barrier to entry and you're back on the road to sitting pretty.
Spoiler:
Also, put Space Hulk back out... I don't know why that game isn't a permanent stock...
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
2014/06/18 04:40:59
Subject: The Future of Games Workshop Part 13 - and 14
30% down. I wonder how deep their cash reserve is.
Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed.
2014/06/18 05:08:31
Subject: The Future of Games Workshop Part 13 - and 14
"Day one DLC" for the Ork Codex in White Dwarf with the exclusive rules for looted wagons really should piss a lot of people off. We joked that GW was heading that way and lo and behold, it happened. I hope no one rewards them for it ; /
2014/06/18 05:42:52
Subject: The Future of Games Workshop Part 13 - and 14
He also talked about GW with 2 other folks at 40 minutes in on this video:
The man who ran the Creature Caster Kickstarter calls them out harsh by stating their pricing scheme on miniatures is, and I quote, "Highway Robbery." And this is backed with his view as as miniatures creator.
Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
2014/06/18 06:04:31
Subject: Re:The Future of Games Workshop Part 13 - and 14
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