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 Sigvatr wrote:
Looks like it's time that TOs get to "forge some narrative" on Daemons. Sigh. Doing GW's work again, awesome.

Well, in GW's "defense," their goal probably was just to sell a boatload of daemons to all 40k players.

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

so this would make the flamer on the heldrake usless as its 6" off the table and you need to place the template where again? mesured 12: from its mouth right? so it can still go behind it aslong as the small end is 12" from the mouth?

So they released an FAQ, included a fix for a Tau Supplement army list, but didn't refer to Tyranid's SitW.

I mean, seriously. It is, in fact, useless at suppressing psychic powers as it currently stands?

Sweet, so it looks like Mephiston got screwed out of BA codex powers?

It doesn't suppress psychic powers. It drastically increases the danger posed by failing a Perils, which makes players less likely to risk throwing a lot of dice at a power and increases their chances of failing that power.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

so this would make the flamer on the heldrake usless as its 6" off the table and you need to place the template where again? mesured 12: from its mouth right? so it can still go behind it aslong as the small end is 12" from the mouth?

... GENIUS! Make it broken for sales and then nerf it to oblivion!

Void shield generators rules regarding blasts/templates finally got fixed. They're just 1 hit now, instead of arguably being 1 hit per-model hit. I might actually paint up the one I made now .

Look s like we also lose Shield of Sanguinius.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

so this would make the flamer on the heldrake usless as its 6" off the table and you need to place the template where again? mesured 12: from its mouth right? so it can still go behind it aslong as the small end is 12" from the mouth?

... GENIUS! Make it broken for sales and then nerf it to oblivion!

go buy burning chariots now!

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Sweet, so it looks like Mephiston got screwed out of BA codex powers?

All the BA vehicles lost Fast except the Baal Predator.

So basically BA suck even worse now. Great...Just when you thought there was hope...

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

so this would make the flamer on the heldrake usless as its 6" off the table and you need to place the template where again? mesured 12: from its mouth right? so it can still go behind it aslong as the small end is 12" from the mouth?

... GENIUS! Make it broken for sales and then nerf it to oblivion!

go buy burning chariots now!

Ha ha too late already got them for the heralds!


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Leksington wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Sweet, so it looks like Mephiston got screwed out of BA codex powers?

All the BA vehicles lost Fast except the Baal Predator.

.... whyyyyyy? That's idiotic! Seriously that was a small thing that made them different from SM and you remove it without even changing the point cost bwa

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Did Broodlords just become synapse creatures? Dominion gives you synapse now if you didnt alreay have it. So if that is the Tyranid primaris, Broodlords became synapse.

This was brought up in the News & Rumors thread also, but how does the Psychic Focus rule work exactly? Broodlords don't roll their powers, they have a specific assigned power. It's possible that they don't get Psychic Focus and so can't get Dominion.

Even if they do, you'd have to actually cast Dominion to be Synapse. With Pinning removing Overwatch fire now, The Horror suddenly became lots better.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

so this would make the flamer on the heldrake usless as its 6" off the table and you need to place the template where again? mesured 12: from its mouth right? so it can still go behind it aslong as the small end is 12" from the mouth?

... GENIUS! Make it broken for sales and then nerf it to oblivion!

go buy burning chariots now!

Ha ha too late already got them for the heralds!


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Leksington wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Sweet, so it looks like Mephiston got screwed out of BA codex powers?

All the BA vehicles lost Fast except the Baal Predator.

.... whyyyyyy? That's idiotic! Seriously that was a small thing that made them different from SM and you remove it without even changing the point cost bwa

haha yessss from the size of my army i think i can adapt... so if i take 4 heralds + 1 troops as allies now per 1.5 drakes, ill take 8 heralds + 2 more troops.. GENIUS.... and let the spam continue..

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
So basically BA suck even worse now. Great...Just when you thought there was hope...

this looks like a new BA codex can't be too far away.

bullyboy wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
So basically BA suck even worse now. Great...Just when you thought there was hope...

this looks like a new BA codex can't be too far away.

Let's hope. They are hopelessly broken now. Razorspam had a chance again, and now it is completely wrecked. BA biggest weakness? NEW EDITIONS >:|

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
It's still useful. You're far more likely to fail a Perils test and have something terrible happen. With the massive numbers of dice needed to get powers off, you're going to see a lot more Perils.

leadership still affects psychic abilities? I was not aware of that, well at least thats a small saving grace.

I would seriously consider emailing GW about the BA faq. It is quite possible it was a mistake, and those vehicles were copy-pasted from the SM dex.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

bullyboy wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
So basically BA suck even worse now. Great...Just when you thought there was hope...

this looks like a new BA codex can't be too far away.

Let's hope. They are hopelessly broken now. Razorspam had a chance again, and now it is completely wrecked. BA biggest weakness? NEW EDITIONS >:|

GK psyback spam with inquisitional psyker henchmen is the new Razorspam. It's gonna be brutal, and maybe give you some dispel dice when you come up against Daemon Factory

 Jaceevoke wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
It's still useful. You're far more likely to fail a Perils test and have something terrible happen. With the massive numbers of dice needed to get powers off, you're going to see a lot more Perils.

leadership still affects psychic abilities? I was not aware of that, well at least thats a small saving grace.

When you peril, you can shrug it off with a leadership test.

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

Look on the bright side of things, there's no more Warp Quake, Dark Ex et all, and Cleansing Flame is finally sane instead of a pretty much 'remove 50% of your unit, just because...' power.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

Look on the bright side of things, there's no more Warp Quake, Dark Ex et all, and Cleansing Flame is finally sane instead of a pretty much 'remove 50% of your unit, just because...' power.

True, but if you deep strike near a unit with Sanctuary cast on it, its pretty much warp quake all over if you're a daemon.

As much as I would like to believe that the BA faq is a mistake, theyh changed the Glaive Encarmine Axe to STR+1 as opposed to +2. Ridiculous change. But this leads me to believe the changes were intentional because why change one thing but screw up on everything else? Is this to bring it in line with other power axes? I do not have the new rulebook yet...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
Ouch I feel slapped Abbaddon can become a spawn or Daemon Prince again. That said dang that GK buff. It also seems the Heldrake might have (at last) been nerfed with it being hull mounted no mention of turret. Bummer for autodrake though. No jump on exalted flamer either I am dissapoint. All I can say is I am not looking forward to messing with GK he he he

Look on the bright side of things, there's no more Warp Quake, Dark Ex et all, and Cleansing Flame is finally sane instead of a pretty much 'remove 50% of your unit, just because...' power.

True, but if you deep strike near a unit with Sanctuary cast on it, its pretty much warp quake all over if you're a daemon.

Actually, it's really not...

Sanctuary = auto Dangerous Terrain. So you test, and get the benefit of any armour or invuln save.
Warp Quake = auto Deep Strike Mishap! And had the ambiguity of supporting the donkey-cave 'juggling' rules that allowed a 50/50 shot at auto-killing any Deep Striking unit.

Basically, Sanctuary is a mild annoyance that may cost you a couple of wounds while making those damnable Knights somewhat harder to kill. (depending on what you're hitting them with)
Warp Quake on the other hand could be readily abused to prevent the Daemon player from ever putting even a single fething model onto the table back in the day!

With it gone, it also stops Interceptor shenanigans of T1 shunting into the position to basically force auto-mishaps on any units created via the summoning powers, and/or no longer nukes things like Drop Pod lists by forcing them walk onto the table from their board edge, etc...
Dark Ex being no more is equally refreshing, because it means no more 'turning off' every single upgrade a Daemon could take! Imagine for example if you could've taken a psychic test and 'turned off' your opponent's Terminator armour + Storm shield + Relic Blade...

Err... did all Ork Nobz just become Characters again

So GW doesn't playtest and don't properly know how their own game works, therefore are incapable of even FAQing it since they can't fathom that some players would do certain things that require an FAQ. Surprised?

 Sasori wrote:
I would seriously consider emailing GW about the BA faq. It is quite possible it was a mistake, and those vehicles were copy-pasted from the SM dex.

Same impression here. Look at the GK: they got rules for Whirlwinds and Vindicators.

my boyfriends brother and his friend both ordered ton of resin demons . Am thinking about ordering some too as there seems to be a discount when you order more then 200.

I have only glanced at the new rules but it looks like Interceptor drones can no longer shoot overcharged weapons and any target, ground or air. A blast weapon that has to snip fire at everything.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
As much as I would like to believe that the BA faq is a mistake, theyh changed the Glaive Encarmine Axe to STR+1 as opposed to +2. Ridiculous change. But this leads me to believe the changes were intentional because why change one thing but screw up on everything else? Is this to bring it in line with other power axes? I do not have the new rulebook yet...

The vehicules are not fast anymore. still more expensive but no more fast. WTF ??

 da001 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I would seriously consider emailing GW about the BA faq. It is quite possible it was a mistake, and those vehicles were copy-pasted from the SM dex.

Same impression here. Look at the GK: they got rules for Whirlwinds and Vindicators.

I really hope so.