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 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

I think you'd find most Sisters of Battle players incredibly happy to have an update.

And, you'd get lots of new players into the game as well. When you update a different flavor of Space Marines, you're not drawing people in. When you update a whole new army like with Dark Eldar, you attract people to the whole new playstyle and aesthetic. It's not just more of the same.

I would personally be happy for any new miniatures related to sisters.

I have grown tired of buying the same models over and over.

I currently own:

12 immolators
6 Exorcists
3 Penitent engines
2 Repressors and 1 Avenger from forge-world
Somewhere between 60-70 standard sisters and multiple copies of every special weapon, heavy weapon and special character models.


Getting something new to work on and paint would be a blessing at this point. I don't care what it would be, just give me something new to paint that will fit in my army.

 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

Martyrdom and being a sister player does go hand in hand so well

I would welcome new plastic battle sisters, but i worry that the SOB will go the way of the squats.

I'd love to build a sisters army but its always been to cost restrictive, would be neat if they get some plastic models, even just plastic troop box would be a step in the right direction

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
I'd put all my money on an update.

By the way, here's a question: Since the Sisters of Battle are the chamber militant of the Ecclesiarchy, what's the chamber militant of the Ordo Hereticus? Is there one?

Adepta Sororitas are chamber militant of Ordo Hereticus?

The Sisters are the militant arm of the Ecclesiarchy, serving as it's shield and it's sword as needed. In addition to that sometimes the Sisters get recruited by the Inquisition (usually the Ordo Hereticus) to assist in missions and the like.The official ties of being a part of the Inquisition fell out of the book when the WD Codex happened and 6th didn't bring it back, so I'd say they're not officially the chamber militant.


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 milkboy wrote:
I actually liked the metal models. Because they don't get bits which stick out and break easily. They were all sensibly cradling their bolters close to their body.

Edited darned iOs autocorrect.

There is "cradling their bolters close to their body" and "it's fused with their bodies due to the limitations of old molds". Sisters have the latter.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the few who actually like the SoB model range.

I like a fair amount aesthetically about the models but I hate painting them. I can never get paint to stop rubbing off as I'm trying to actively apply it, even when I wash the models.


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 AlexHolker wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As above- just been on GW site and the following kits have been labelled as No Longer Available.

Haven't these been "No longer available" for years?

GW just did a site relaunch were they pulled all their old "no longer available" stock off the site when they did it, so no. No they have not been.

I have enough models to field anything but the most ridiculous of stretching the limits of battle forged armies. I'm a good 16-20 melta gun sisters short of an unbound dominion spam list.

 Thud wrote:
"He called me on the way home, drunk, but this time it will be because he just got a head start on the wine he got for the romantic evening he's planned. He won't beat me again. Not this time."

"Especially since I bought this shotgun."

Seriously though, I'm not buying a single Sisters model until I've seen the codex and decided if they fethed Sisters up again or not. If they didn't, I'll go all in and do a full army update, if they did, then my army stays as is.

I like the metal models, but would prefer models that have more bits so that I can actually build my sisters superior to have the right equipment. (There's no reason to ever have a chainsword and plasma pistol.)

 snorri788 wrote:

 milkboy wrote:

Once all the codices are updated? With this new edition, does it mean sob is at the end of the queue now? Certainly hope we get it before 8th edition. Lol

8th Edition will likely be out in Novermber , so I hope they hurry!

Sir, I do believe that horse is quite dead.

 the_Armyman wrote:
It got to the best sellers list in Germany. How hard is that to do? How long did it stay there, a day? Not a good metric, IMO.

It still mustered the sales to reach that spot in the first place, and that's next to more maintream books like that I am Malala one. Also, I do not see why it would be drastically different in other locations, unless Germans have a significantly greater interest in the SoB.

 the_Armyman wrote:
That was years ago. It's lean times at Nottingham. GW can no longer throw resources at lines that do not make money. Lots of money.

And yet, they were all too willing to go ahead with the Imperial Knights, a completely untested concept. Likewise, they continue doing fantasy updates despite Fantasy selling less than 40K. Additionally, they need only look at the sales of the SoB codex to see that there is sufficient interest in the SoB as an army.

What I'll be especially interested to see will be if this Bret release happens. If so, I think that it would support that GW are certainly still up for doing the Sisters, since the Brets are in a similar position to the Sisters.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Something to do with the robes, right? I've heard that old yarn before.

I don't really think that its some "old yarn" that they've spun. Reading over that interview with Jes Goodwin, it sounds like the issues were legit.

The impression In get is that they wanted to go with a certain look and still have everything be posable and look good in plastic. Could they have gotten around these issues somehow by changing their goals? Maybe, but that's just how they ended up doing things. It's also not inconcievable that development of the SoB was "put on the backburner" until a later date, hence the long period without an update.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You've answered your own question really. Sisters players being unhappy is a universal constant. They want an update, and when they get an update they complain about their update. They want a new model range, but you better believe they won't be happy with it.

The reason that some were unhappy with the update was due to its status as a digital-only codex that lacked a model release and had fewer units than before, which are all valid criticisms. And its not really fair to claim that SoB players would definetely be unhappy with the models "just because".

 Medium of Death wrote:
If they could do it for Dark Eldar they will do it for SoB.

I'm hopeful that SoB retain much of their Gothic aesthetic.

Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Wood Elves, ect.

Just because an army is in metal does not exempt it from being updated. Nor does it not being a popular army.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

You've answered your own question really. Sisters players being unhappy is a universal constant. They want an update, and when they get an update they complain about their update. They want a new model range, but you better believe they won't be happy with it.

That's a little unfair seeing as the "updates" to the codex since 3rd edition have been to remove things, not add or fix anything. Complaining about losing options is always valid regardless of the army.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the few who actually like the SoB model range.

I'm completely with you here.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Adepta Sororitas are chamber militant of Ordo Hereticus?

Not any more they're not.

Sisters of Battle are certainly in better position than Dark Eldar were and they see to have a fair representation in other material so I very much doubt they're going away for long.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

You've answered your own question really. Sisters players being unhappy is a universal constant. They want an update, and when they get an update they complain about their update. They want a new model range, but you better believe they won't be happy with it.

That's a little unfair seeing as the "updates" to the codex since 3rd edition have been to remove things, not add or fix anything. Complaining about losing options is always valid regardless of the army.

This is provably false, as I have done many times before.

While Sisters of Battle have not received new models since the Witchhunter release, they have received new units, updated rules, etc. We actually ended up with more SOB/Ecclesiarchy units in the last two dexes than in any previous dex, iirc.

I only have 10 sisters and 1 canonness, I wanted to use them as allies for my IG but never got around to paint them. I shall sell them (one guy really really likes metal models) and wait for a plastic update. It shall be my last army and it will be the biggest.

So, let's say that the line's being redone in plastic and we're getting the usual kit rollouts in celebration of this. That's six kits, I think? So, how would this be done? Hrm.

A Sister Superior blister pack.
A battle sister 10 model kit.
A Dominion/Retributor 5 model kit. (dual purpose)
A Celestine/Command 5 model kit (dual purpose)
A Seraphim squad 5 model kit
An Excorcist/Immolator kit (dual purpose)

This would leave out the Penitent Engine, which you'd think they'd want to focus on, Repenters, and the Battle Ecclesiary squad (Those latter two might get a pack together at some stage),

Of course, they also usually include 1-2 new models in new kits, so, who knows where that'd go.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

You've answered your own question really. Sisters players being unhappy is a universal constant. They want an update, and when they get an update they complain about their update. They want a new model range, but you better believe they won't be happy with it.

That's a little unfair seeing as the "updates" to the codex since 3rd edition have been to remove things, not add or fix anything. Complaining about losing options is always valid regardless of the army.

This is provably false, as I have done many times before.

While Sisters of Battle have not received new models since the Witchhunter release, they have received new units, updated rules, etc. We actually ended up with more SOB/Ecclesiarchy units in the last two dexes than in any previous dex, iirc.

I'm sorry, I forgot the part where they gave us back two of the characters they took from us going from 2nd to 3rd and throwing in some models to support them.

And even if you want to claim new options were put in (and news flash; they aren't "new" if they're from an older codex, they're just being put back in after being ripped out in the first place), we lost a LOT of options going from 3rd to 5th. And then 5th to 6th we lost an HQ choice, lost one of our character models (Seraphim Superior), Acts of Faith got WORSE, Repentia got so bad that even I won't use them and generally the whole army looks like it was dragged by its hair into an ally and horribly beaten with a baseball bat. And then given a half-hearted apology in the way of dropping points on the Exorcist.

It's so unapologetically gak that I wrote GW and sent them a 20 page packet of things I felt needed to be adjusted/changed to make the army less gak. That included almost every damn thing in that "codex". I would have never been motivated to do that if this codex was even somewhat decent.

For the curious, the thing I sent in is attached. I'll admit it's probably not perfect (having about the same level of play testing as GW seemed to give the last two Sisters codexes, that is none) but I feel it does things better than they ever did and I spent less than a month actually writing it.


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Wakshaani wrote:
So, let's say that the line's being redone in plastic and we're getting the usual kit rollouts in celebration of this. That's six kits, I think? So, how would this be done? Hrm.

A Sister Superior blister pack.
A battle sister 10 model kit.
A Dominion/Retributor 5 model kit. (dual purpose)
A Celestine/Command 5 model kit (dual purpose)
A Seraphim squad 5 model kit
An Excorcist/Immolator kit (dual purpose)

This would leave out the Penitent Engine, which you'd think they'd want to focus on, Repenters, and the Battle Ecclesiary squad (Those latter two might get a pack together at some stage),

Of course, they also usually include 1-2 new models in new kits, so, who knows where that'd go.

I don't see Dominons and Retributors sharing a box seeing as one is all special weapons and the other is all heavy.

Also it's "Celestians" not "Celestine". Celestine is the flying lady in the gold armour with the naked babies carrying her security blanket while the Celestians are the veteran Sisters.

Superiors would likely be options in their own squad boxes, but I could see a Canoness model kit. If we're REALLY luck it might even come with more than one kind of option of weapons for her.

Exorcists has too many extra parts to double up with the Immolator (who is already a kit that is also our Rhino kit). Instead I'd expect the Exorcist to either be a stand-alone model kit or paired up with a new kit of some other kind.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Acts of Faith got WORSE

I'd say that that's debatable. They scale now with the army's size now, so every unit can pull of their AoF, which is a definite plus. They're also easier to initiate now that they just use the unit's leadership value.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm sorry, I forgot the part where they gave us back two of the characters they took from us going from 2nd to 3rd and throwing in some models to support them.

You're just wrong. Since 3rd edition, we have gained one unit and lost 1 character (non SC).

2nd Edition - 14 Units - 9 without SC


3rd Edition (black book) - 11 Units - 11 without SC


3rd Edition (Codex: Chapter Approved 2002) - 17 Units - 15 without SC



3.5 Edition (Codex: Witchhunters) - 15 (25 if you count Inq; I don't.) units - 14 (23) without SC


5th Edition (Codex White Dwarf 2011) - 18 Units - 15 without SC


6th Edition (Codex Adepta Sororitas) - 16 Units - 14 without SC

And even if you want to claim new options were put in (and news flash; they aren't "new" if they're from an older codex, they're just being put back in after being ripped out in the first place), we lost a LOT of options going from 3rd to 5th. And then 5th to 6th we lost an HQ choice, lost one of our character models (Seraphim Superior), Acts of Faith got WORSE, Repentia got so bad that even I won't use them and generally the whole army looks like it was dragged by its hair into an ally and horribly beaten with a baseball bat. And then given a half-hearted apology in the way of dropping points on the Exorcist.

Check my above break down. AoF got better than they were in any edition except 3.5 Chapter Approved in 5th/6th. Repentia have never been good. Just because you don't like the list, doesn't mean it is bad.

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Acts of Faith got WORSE

I'd say that that's debatable. They scale now with the army's size now, so every unit can pull of their AoF, which is a definite plus. They're also easier to initiate now that they just use the unit's leadership value.

One use only unless you spend points on a Simulacrum which can be sniped is not "better", scaling or not. Oh, and you want a 3rd use? Take this special character for a third use of your ability.

And the abilities didn't get better (arguably Repentia may have, but they lost their standard FnP so they can't even make it INTO combat), they stayed mostly the same or got worse, which doesn't justify the nerf to how many times they can use their abilities. They weren't exactly a top table army with the ability to use them as many times as they wanted afterall.


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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm sorry, I forgot the part where they gave us back two of the characters they took from us going from 2nd to 3rd and throwing in some models to support them.

You're just wrong. Since 3rd edition, we have gained one unit and lost 1 character (non SC).
*snip*

All made of old models we've had for how long again? And some of the "gains" we made being the return of stuff they took out of older codexes, but then brought back using the same exact models they did before? We never "gained" anything, after 3rd. They shuffled things around, and returned stuff they "borrowed" from us.

And even though I don't play Inq, I still count them for C:WH. Why? Because they were in the book. Not counting them is just like putting makeup on a black eye: it's only covering up what really happened.

 pretre wrote:

And even if you want to claim new options were put in (and news flash; they aren't "new" if they're from an older codex, they're just being put back in after being ripped out in the first place), we lost a LOT of options going from 3rd to 5th. And then 5th to 6th we lost an HQ choice, lost one of our character models (Seraphim Superior), Acts of Faith got WORSE, Repentia got so bad that even I won't use them and generally the whole army looks like it was dragged by its hair into an ally and horribly beaten with a baseball bat. And then given a half-hearted apology in the way of dropping points on the Exorcist.

Check my above break down. AoF got better than they were in any edition except 3.5 Chapter Approved in 5th/6th. Repentia have never been good. Just because you don't like the list, doesn't mean it is bad.

Repentia weren't GREAT but they were PLAYABLE before 6th ed's "update".

And seeing as we went from 3.5's system (which you admit was good) to 5th's system it didn't get better, it got worse. 6th took 5th's system, reduced the number of times you can use the abilities while other armies (Marines/Guard) either get "always on" effects that do the same thing, or have an unlimited number of uses for rules that are frankly overall more powerful than the ones we get to use ONCE.

So yes, it's worse.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Acts of Faith got WORSE

I'd say that that's debatable. They scale now with the army's size now, so every unit can pull of their AoF, which is a definite plus. They're also easier to initiate now that they just use the unit's leadership value.

One use only unless you spend points on a Simulacrum which can be sniped is not "better", scaling or not. Oh, and you want a 3rd use? Take this special character for a third use of your ability.

And the abilities didn't get better (arguably Repentia may have, but they lost their standard FnP so they can't even make it INTO combat), they stayed mostly the same or got worse, which doesn't justify the nerf to how many times they can use their abilities. They weren't exactly a top table army with the ability to use them as many times as they wanted afterall.

We're talking about faith.

You just continue to rail against this without understanding the army or the mechanic.

2nd Edition Codex - Roll on a table to get a game based buff. Bonuses depending on which characters are attached.
3rd Edition Black Book - No Faith
3rd Edition C:CA - Faith based on # of faithful characters + seraphim squads. Martyrdom. 4 Faith Acts (Martyr, Guidance, Light, Passion), Leadership check, either player's turn.
3rd Edition C:WH - Faith based on # of faithful characters + faithful squads. Martyrdom. 5 Faith Acts (Martyr, Guidance, Light, Passion, Hand). Unit size (high/low) test, either player's turn.
5th Edition WD - Roll faith per turn. Modified 5+ roll (down to 2+). 8 Unit specific Faith acts (Passion, Crusade, Light, Martyr, Hand, Fusillade, Deliverance, Guidance). SOB's turn only.
6th Edition AS - Once per game (without wargear). Ld roll. 8 Unit specific Faith acts (Passion, Crusade, Light, Martyr, Hand, Fusillade, Deliverance, Guidance). SOB's turn only.

Faith went from a one time thing in second to the best iteration in C:CA to worse in C:WH (High low was a bad mechanic) to not-scalable in 5th but very powerful for some units to scalable and very powerful in 6th. Again, just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.

All made of old models we've had for how long again? And some of the "gains" we made being the return of stuff they took out of older codexes, but then brought back using the same exact models they did before? We never "gained" anything, after 3rd. They shuffled things around, and returned stuff they "borrowed" from us.

Bullgak. Read the details and tell me we didn't get new units. I wrote it down for you, you just have to click the spoilers.

And even though I don't play Inq, I still count them for C:WH. Why? Because they were in the book. Not counting them is just like putting makeup on a black eye: it's only covering up what really happened.p

No, because those same units were available as allies, we didn't lose anything. They got shoe-horned into our codex for no reason in 3rd.

Repentia weren't GREAT but they were PLAYABLE before 6th ed's "update".

Repentia have never been playable in a serious list.

And seeing as we went from 3.5's system (which you admit was good) to 5th's system it didn't get better, it got worse. 6th took 5th's system, reduced the number of times you can use the abilities while other armies (Marines/Guard) either get "always on" effects that do the same thing, or have an unlimited number of uses for rules that are frankly overall more powerful than the ones we get to use ONCE.

No, I said C:CA had the good system. I didn't like 3.5's system. 5th's system was more powerful than 3.5's (except for the invincible canoness) and 6th's just made it scale. Also, getting one good faith act off reliably is better than trying to get 2 off unreliably.

How many games have you actually played with SOB in 5th/6th? (Heck, 3rd/3.5/4th as well).

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Acts of Faith got WORSE

I'd say that that's debatable. They scale now with the army's size now, so every unit can pull of their AoF, which is a definite plus. They're also easier to initiate now that they just use the unit's leadership value.

One use only unless you spend points on a Simulacrum which can be sniped is not "better", scaling or not. Oh, and you want a 3rd use? Take this special character for a third use of your ability.

And the abilities didn't get better (arguably Repentia may have, but they lost their standard FnP so they can't even make it INTO combat), they stayed mostly the same or got worse, which doesn't justify the nerf to how many times they can use their abilities. They weren't exactly a top table army with the ability to use them as many times as they wanted afterall.

Keep moving the goalpost. We're talking about faith.

I never moved the goal posts. I knew what I meant from the beginning. Just because you assumed I meant something different doesn't make you "correct" about my issues with the Acts of Faith system as it is now.

 pretre wrote:
You just continue to rail against this without understanding the army or the mechanic.

2nd Edition Codex - Roll on a table to get a game based buff. Bonuses depending on which characters are attached.
3rd Edition Black Book - No Faith
3rd Edition C:CA - Faith based on # of faithful characters + seraphim squads. Martyrdom. 4 Faith Acts (Martyr, Guidance, Light, Passion), Leadership check, either player's turn.
3rd Edition C:WH - Faith based on # of faithful characters + faithful squads. Martyrdom. 5 Faith Acts (Martyr, Guidance, Light, Passion, Hand). Unit size (high/low) test, either player's turn.
5th Edition WD - Roll faith per turn. Modified 5+ roll (down to 2+). 8 Unit specific Faith acts (Passion, Crusade, Light, Martyr, Hand, Fusillade, Deliverance, Guidance). SOB's turn only.
6th Edition AS - Once per game (without wargear). Ld roll. 8 Unit specific Faith acts (Passion, Crusade, Light, Martyr, Hand, Fusillade, Deliverance, Guidance). SOB's turn only.

Oh I understand the mechanic and the army just fine. You just assume far too much and then act like it's my fault.

Even if the powers got "better" (and "better" is subjective so don't even start acting like you have some kind of superior position here) the SYSTEM got worse. And it's the SYSTEM as a WHOLE that I am unhappy about.

 pretre wrote:
Faith went from a one time thing in second to the best iteration in C:CA to worse in C:WH (High low was a bad mechanic) to not-scalable in 5th but at very powerful for some units to scalable and very powerful in 6th. Again, just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.

And just because you read my posts don't assume you know my position on things because you already proved you don't. I was speaking about the entire Acts of Faith SYSTEM not the individual components.

 pretre wrote:

All made of old models we've had for how long again? And some of the "gains" we made being the return of stuff they took out of older codexes, but then brought back using the same exact models they did before? We never "gained" anything, after 3rd. They shuffled things around, and returned stuff they "borrowed" from us.

Bullgak. Read the details and tell me we didn't get new units. I wrote it down for you, you just have to click the spoilers.

I looked and I'm calling bs on your revisionist BS. You don't count half the units in a codex as being a loss when they were taken away. I'm pretty sure players who played the mixed lists would disagree with you.

Own up already, GW hasn't put anything that we haven't had before in some form or fashion in since 3rd. Even the Battle Conclave is them just moving models from one set of options to a different option.

 pretre wrote:

And even though I don't play Inq, I still count them for C:WH. Why? Because they were in the book. Not counting them is just like putting makeup on a black eye: it's only covering up what really happened.p

No, because those same units were available as allies, we didn't lose anything. They got shoe-horned into our codex for no reason in 3rd.

bs. Those units stopped existing in 5th, and didn't show back up as allies options until THIS YEAR. Take the fething make up off the black eye and stop sugar coating it when GW has screwed the army.

 pretre wrote:

Repentia weren't GREAT but they were PLAYABLE before 6th ed's "update".

Repentia have never been playable in a serious list.

Someone never used Grand Theft Rhino in 5th. It's all anecdotal but I've damn near tabled armies that the internet said were FAR better (Space Wolves and Blood Angels) during their peak because of Repentia. Even in 6th before the update they were a decent defensive unit because they got their FnP against a wider range of things. Now all they have is a 6++ and a one use only 3+ FnP that will never get used because they're dead before they get anywhere.

Just because you never could use them well, or never had luck with a unit doesn't make it "bad". It just means in never fit how you played, or you didn't see the combos that made them effective.

 pretre wrote:

And seeing as we went from 3.5's system (which you admit was good) to 5th's system it didn't get better, it got worse. 6th took 5th's system, reduced the number of times you can use the abilities while other armies (Marines/Guard) either get "always on" effects that do the same thing, or have an unlimited number of uses for rules that are frankly overall more powerful than the ones we get to use ONCE.

No, I said C:CA had the good system. I didn't like 3.5's system. 5th's system was more powerful than 3.5's (except for the invincible canoness) and 6th's just made it scale. Also, getting one good faith act off reliably is better than trying to get 2 off unreliably.

How many games have you actually played with SOB in 5th/6th?

5th? I played Sisters almost weekly with at least a game a week (and 3-4 games on tournament days) from around October 2010 to the end of 5th Edition. I used both C:WH and CA C:SoB. In 6th I played them regularly until they got that codex update. Since then the last time they say the table was in a came of Apoc. So yeah, my army used to see a lot of time on the table. I used to make regular purchases to expand and build on it too. So yeah, I actually play the fething game and know how the army actually plays on the table pretty damn well.

And frankly as it stands the army doesn't play well. It has one monobuild it's had since 3rd (if you went pure Sisters) that can't compete effectively with most armies these days. It's no a good army anymore, it's a trainwreck. Games with them aren't about trying to win, it's seeing how long you can go before you get tabled.

No sense in arguing so much about what was and wasn't.

Here's just hoping GW actually just updates the model range and gives Sisters of Battle a proper hardback codex with all sorts of neat fluff, characters, paint jobs, models, conversions, etc.

They could be done pretty easily, in my opinion. There would be a box for Seraphim and something else, a box for Dominions and Celestians (yes, they could put heavy and special weapons all in one kit, they did it for Wraithguard/blades) and a box for the basic troop with something else.

Then, a plastic Cannoness, a new Exorcist/Immolator, and a Penitent Engine, all of which could be dual-kits with other things.

drbored wrote:
No sense in arguing so much about what was and wasn't.

Fair enough. I'll let it go since CZ isn't talking sense anyways. Feel free to start a new thread, if you want to continue,

Haven't the Bretonnians had most of their non-plastic stock (that is, almost their entire range) Out of Stock for almost a year now though? I know they're due an update, but that was a long time.

It seems more likely to the cynical side of me that they just ran out of stock and - due to GW moving away from metal - aren't bothering to produce any more.

On the other hand, giving them their own updated section on the store and a new 'dex so recently is promising.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Haven't the Bretonnians had most of their non-plastic stock (that is, almost their entire range) Out of Stock for almost a year now though? I know they're due an update, but that was a long time.

It seems more likely to the cynical side of me that they just ran out of stock and - due to GW moving away from metal - aren't bothering to produce any more.

On the other hand, giving them their own updated section on the store and a new 'dex so recently is promising.

It really just seems like a matter of waiting. That's how it's always been with Sisters of Battle, and hopefully, eventually, the products we'd love to throw money at will get here.

I don't think they'll squat Sisters of Battle. They're just too cool.

Look what GW has reduced to the faithful to. Sister against sister lashing out at each other in anger

This is truly the end times. I must retire to my chambers and pray.

I actually found repentia decent back when they had their feel no pain, as I could make a cover save followed by a feel no pain save to allow them survive shooting. There was also the fact that they could steal rhinos from other sisters. Yes they weren't the best unit but you could actually do stuff with them and have fun. Now they just die (unless you give them a land raider).

On another topic, GW has been making lots of female models for fantasy. In fact calling lots them sisters, such sisters of slaughter, witch elves, sisters of avelorn and sisters of the thorn. Not to menition all the characters as well. Perhaps GW are using what they have learned from these models to make plastic sisters.

I just hope the new SoB model range won't be overly sexualized.