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Does Chaos psichic focus replaces normal psichic focus or is in addition to it?
It's the rule states:
"If a Psyker has a Mark of Chaos or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God (see
Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons), that model
automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to
their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows."
so RAW nothing points to it replacing standart psichic focus.
Right?

Chaos Focus is in place of Psychic Focus.
For example, a PML2 Nurgle Prince who rolls only on Biomancy will know the Primaris of Nurgle, and two Biomany spells. He will not know three Biomancy spells.

The BRB states that any psyker bearing a mark of chaos cannot gain psychic focus for one of the disciplines in the BRB. However, they gain the primaris from the discipline of the chaos god whose mark they bear, regardless other generated powers.

DaPino wrote:
The BRB states that any psyker bearing a mark of chaos cannot gain psychic focus for one of the disciplines in the BRB. However, they gain the primaris from the discipline of the chaos god whose mark they bear, regardless other generated powers.

Could you quote please?
Cant find it

 Ratliker wrote:

DaPino wrote:
The BRB states that any psyker bearing a mark of chaos cannot gain psychic focus for one of the disciplines in the BRB. However, they gain the primaris from the discipline of the chaos god whose mark they bear, regardless other generated powers.

Could you quote please?
Cant find it

Last part in the Psychic Focus. The Psyker would have gained a power from another discipline, so even if he'd get the Primaris for that discipline, he would immediatly lose it.

Yes, as a marked chaos sorceror, you will always get your patron primaris power.

Since marked sorcerors must roll up to half on their patron chart, any sorceror lvl2 higher would never be able to get a primaris power for free. It actually shows that GW put some forethought into a rule before publishing it.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Chaos Focus is in place of Psychic Focus.
For example, a PML2 Nurgle Prince who rolls only on Biomancy will know the Primaris of Nurgle, and two Biomany spells. He will not know three Biomancy spells.

True for Chaos Daemon DPs but not Chaos Marine Dps, who have to roll half their powers on the patron table, from memory.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Chaos Focus is in place of Psychic Focus.
For example, a PML2 Nurgle Prince who rolls only on Biomancy will know the Primaris of Nurgle, and two Biomany spells. He will not know three Biomancy spells.

True for Chaos Daemon DPs but not Chaos Marine Dps, who have to roll half their powers on the patron table, from memory.

Nah, CSM sorcerers just need to generate at least one power from their god's discipline.

What generating means though, GW could've been a little clearer about that.

EDIT: Same goes for CSM Daemon Princes.

Ah they have to generate at least one, but no more than half - still means that you have to have 2 powers on the God table for a ML2 sorc, 1 from generating, one from chaos focus

The Psychic Focus rule actually states "if, during the course of the game" with regard to gaining non-focused powers.

It isn't clear to me if RAI is meant to excuse power generation before the game starts from PF, so a Chaos Psyker can indeed generate all their powers from one discipline, gain the Primaris for that discipline AND have the relevant God power, or if it's just badly worded.

HIWPI is you always get a chaos god power, so can never have psychic focus for a different discipline, but I'm really not sure if that's RAI.

I don't understand how a marked sorceror can generate all of their powers from one of the BRB disciplines if they must roll at least one (but up to half) of their powers on the powers chart from their codex.

 Green is Best! wrote:
I don't understand how a marked sorceror can generate all of their powers from one of the BRB disciplines if they must roll at least one (but up to half) of their powers on the powers chart from their codex.

Because the Primaris Power given to them through Chaos Focus counts towards the power generated from their Patron God?

 Green is Best! wrote:
I don't understand how a marked sorceror can generate all of their powers from one of the BRB disciplines if they must roll at least one (but up to half) of their powers on the powers chart from their codex.

No, you're right, a CSM sorcerer can't, but any daemon psyker can, as they don't have that restriction.

GoliothOnline wrote:

 Green is Best! wrote:
I don't understand how a marked sorceror can generate all of their powers from one of the BRB disciplines if they must roll at least one (but up to half) of their powers on the powers chart from their codex.

Because the Primaris Power given to them through Chaos Focus counts towards the power generated from their Patron God?

They didn't generate that power though. So that isn't sufficient

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Chaos Focus is in place of Psychic Focus.
For example, a PML2 Nurgle Prince who rolls only on Biomancy will know the Primaris of Nurgle, and two Biomany spells. He will not know three Biomancy spells.

True for Chaos Daemon DPs but not Chaos Marine Dps, who have to roll half their powers on the patron table, from memory.

One, not half. Why does everyone seem to think this? If a Nurgle DP somehow got ML4, only one needs to be from the nurgle table.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Green is Best! wrote:
I don't understand how a marked sorceror can generate all of their powers from one of the BRB disciplines if they must roll at least one (but up to half) of their powers on the powers chart from their codex.

No, you're right, a CSM sorcerer can't, but any daemon psyker can, as they don't have that restriction.

Exactly, so fill Tzeench herald generating all his 3 powers from daemonology get free primaris summoning or not? And if not, why not?

 Ratliker wrote:

Exactly, so fill Tzeench herald generating all his 3 powers from daemonology get free primaris summoning or not? And if not, why not?

Because a Tzerald knows Flickering Fires via Chaos Focus. He therefore knows a power that is outside the Malefic tree, and will not generate the Primaris from Psychic Focus.

HERE's an interesting idea, though:
If a Tzerald rolls 3x on Malefic, he will know 3 Malefic and Primaris Tzeentch. If he loses the Tzeentch power (due to Perils perhaps), will he gain Primaris Malefic?
I'd say no, on first glance.

I am finding this a little confusing and might be over complicating it.

So I have a ML2 Sorcerer of Nurgle for example. He has to roll at least one of his powers from the Nurgle list and has the Primaris for free due to Chaos Psychic Focus.

So Nurgles Rot, as the Primaris, and I roll a 1 for Weapon Virus.

Is that then my 2 powers for being ML2?

Or can I roll on another table for my additional power to make it 2, not including the Primaris which the Sorcerer knows automatically.

Or do I lose the Primaris if I roll on another table other than Nurgle as that would be 3 in total, including the Primaris.

Sorry, if I am being dense.

Chaos psychic focus givs you the primaris IN ADDITION to the powers you know. So a ML2 chaos psyker will know 3 powers - 2 rolled for, and the primaris.

This is different to normal focus, which only gives you the primaris if you roll on just one table.

Thank you Nos, that's how I thought it worked.

So in the Example I provided I could end up with Nurgles Rot, Weapon Virus and Iron Arm if I rolled on Biomancy for my ML2 Nurgle Sorcerer.

Indeed.

Even with Chaos psychic focus, we still need to roll on the god's table.


It's a shame our Daemons are bound to this and the Chaos Daemons are not.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Indeed.

Even with Chaos psychic focus, we still need to roll on the god's table.


It's a shame our Daemons are bound to this and the Chaos Daemons are not.

Well, having the option of 3 powers is better than 2, so, no complaints here.

I play Daemons as allies with my CSM so can take advantage of them not being restricted.

So do I.

I just want my Daemon Prince to have Iron Arm every game. Call me greedy but it is the truth.

 welshhoppo wrote:
So do I.

I just want my Daemon Prince to have Iron Arm every game. Call me greedy but it is the truth.

Why wouldn't you want your Daemon Prince to have Iron Arm every game

I'm pretty convinced that this was not suppose to be the case with Sorcerers having to give up two powers, but GW wrote it really shittily so now that is what occurs.