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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 22:41:11
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Nigel Stillman
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Better Also after years of captivity I'm glad to see him come home.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/06/02 22:42:27
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 23:03:02
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So am I but I hate him still for costing soldiers their lives for his stupidity. He has to live with the fact now that his action cost them their lives. He is not a "Hero", he should not be protected from if they prosecute him under UCMJ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/02 23:43:55
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Missionary On A Mission
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I am glad he is coming home.
I don't understand the whole 'We don't negotiate with terrorists' thing. Isn't that one of the ways we get people to flip and become sources?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 00:58:47
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Gargantuan Gargant
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AdeptSister wrote:I am glad he is coming home.
I don't understand the whole 'We don't negotiate with terrorists' thing. Isn't that one of the ways we get people to flip and become sources?
It's more a PR thing to make ones side seem stronger by "not giving in" even though practically this is often not the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 01:03:42
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Fixture of Dakka
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Jihadin wrote:So am I but I hate him still for costing soldiers their lives for his stupidity. He has to live with the fact now that his action cost them their lives. He is not a "Hero", he should not be protected from if they prosecute him under UCMJ.
This adds a new level that will be interesting to see play out. I wonder if the family of those killed because of him, if that was the case,will be interviewed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 02:46:25
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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I'll wait and see what trial, if any, says before passing judgement or blaming him for others dieing.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 03:30:55
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ahtman wrote:I'll wait and see what trial, if any, says before passing judgement or blaming him for others dieing.
I don't think this is going to trial as they keep saying he's suffered enough.
If it did, they might use this case as a guide on how not to handle things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassef_Ali_Hassoun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 03:51:56
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Imperial Admiral
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Ah, but see, he hasn't suffered. If Taliban Tina from earlier in the thread is to be believed, he was basically at Club Med.
If he deserted (which seems pretty likely), my vote would be to charge him, but either way I'm glad we got him out so that this doesn't remain a thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 04:28:02
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Seaward wrote:
Ah, but see, he hasn't suffered. If Taliban Tina from earlier in the thread is to be believed, he was basically at Club Med.
If you can't read posts properly then don't try to summarise what someone has said.
I said he was treated better than Gitmo inmates. It's not hard to comprehend what that means.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 04:33:06
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No one knows how he was treated while in captivity. His first two years could have been "Hell" and the last three could have been easy. We do not know.
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
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Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:00:55
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Bergdahl himself said otherwise.
Security Analysts said otherwise.
The militants said otherwise.
The fact that he learnt pashto indicates he was not deprived of his senses.
I can understand why you'd choose to ignore that though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:13:11
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I myself picked up some Pashto from over five deployments. Five years in captivity you will pick up the language.
No one knows yet the full extent on what happen to him while in captivity. So far it "seems" he has been will treated. You know full well if your are an experience "interviewer" that you cannot stand by what he said, what "they" said, and what other "analyst" type say. You would dig for more confirmation would you not?
Don't pull a "George" on me now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:18:35
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Imperial Admiral
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Jihadin wrote:I myself picked up some Pashto from over five deployments.
I bet you would've picked up a lot more if you'd deserted to the enemy. Hell, McCain would be pretty fluent in Vietnamese if he'd intentionally punched out after expressing his disgust with his country.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:20:55
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Its been mention that he can speak Veitnamese when he was released
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:22:26
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Imperial Admiral
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Jihadin wrote:Its been mention that he can speak Veitnamese when he was released
But he ain't fluent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 05:25:25
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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LOL very true
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 22:34:18
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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My two cents as someone who has never served a day in his life is this; As an act of faith to all those who are serving, have served, or ever will serve they need to know that if they are captured they will not be forgotten. That being said it does not mean that if he deserted his post that he is immune from the repercussions of that action.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/03 23:58:07
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Fixture of Dakka
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Some of the comments here are serving as a springboard for me to research this in depth. I'm beginning to go from extremely happy he got out to wtf as I read in various news services of how he just abandoned his post and others died died trying to find him and save him. Other sources say he was captured in a raid, however.
If he deserted and turned collaborater, that would explain his good treatment while other soldiers that have been captured were barely recognizable corpses when found.
Obama's actions in this, I feel the need to research, also, to see if what he did was legal or not. I have been told what he did not only violated United States law, but alsothe Geneva Convention. The last might be a stretch, but as I said, springboard for research to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 01:37:19
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:My two cents as someone who has never served a day in his life is this; As an act of faith to all those who are serving, have served, or ever will serve they need to know that if they are captured they will not be forgotten. That being said it does not mean that if he deserted his post that he is immune from the repercussions of that action.
Tell that to the Vietnam POWs that died in captivity years after the war.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 03:01:02
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Imperial Admiral
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trexmeyer wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote:My two cents as someone who has never served a day in his life is this; As an act of faith to all those who are serving, have served, or ever will serve they need to know that if they are captured they will not be forgotten. That being said it does not mean that if he deserted his post that he is immune from the repercussions of that action.
Tell that to the Vietnam POWs that died in captivity years after the war.
Such as?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 03:25:12
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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John McCain    It's pretty clear that he died, but where his "soul" was, was replaced by something else
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 03:37:00
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Seaward wrote: trexmeyer wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote:My two cents as someone who has never served a day in his life is this; As an act of faith to all those who are serving, have served, or ever will serve they need to know that if they are captured they will not be forgotten. That being said it does not mean that if he deserted his post that he is immune from the repercussions of that action.
Tell that to the Vietnam POWs that died in captivity years after the war.
Such as?
You're really not familiar with the live prisoners issue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 03:40:53
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tell that to the Vietnam POWs that died in captivity years after the war.
Seaward.....help me out here....NVA prisoners? Viet Cong prisoners? US Prisoners?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 03:41:36
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Fixture of Dakka
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trexmeyer wrote: Seaward wrote: trexmeyer wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote:My two cents as someone who has never served a day in his life is this; As an act of faith to all those who are serving, have served, or ever will serve they need to know that if they are captured they will not be forgotten. That being said it does not mean that if he deserted his post that he is immune from the repercussions of that action.
Tell that to the Vietnam POWs that died in captivity years after the war.
Such as?
You're really not familiar with the live prisoners issue?
We can take that back to North Korea, too. I don't know how many prisoners were left there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:24:42
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Posts with Authority
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Yeeeeaaaahhhh.... I wasn't ready to jump on the hate bandwagon as fast as some of my army buddies, but as I read more about this the dude really starts to come off as a gakheel.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bowe-bergdahl-freed-soldier-hero-or-deserter-n121756
The comments that he made, the stories about his attitude/demeanor , mailing his uniforms home, ditching his weapon... it all just screams deserter.
That he was promoted to Sgt in absentia is mind blowing, and if in fact anyone else died searching for or trying to rescue him.......
well, rage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:29:51
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Bromsy wrote:
That he was promoted to Sgt in absentia is mind blowing, and if in fact anyone else died searching for or trying to rescue him.......
It's Army SOP (probably DoD) to promote to SGT anyone who becomes a POW (assuming they arent a SGT or higher already)... The thing that brings some question marks to me is that I've read some stuff recently saying that his unit/the army hadn't ever officially declared him a POW?? If that's true, that should raise a few eyebrows.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:41:02
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I really hope he is not going to get an honorable
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
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Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
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Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:43:09
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Probably will... and he'll probably get the nod from his best bud to replace Carney
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:47:44
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wonder what will happen if Obama goes ahead and release all the detainee's in GITMO.
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/04 04:47:53
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
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Posts with Authority
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Bromsy wrote:
That he was promoted to Sgt in absentia is mind blowing, and if in fact anyone else died searching for or trying to rescue him.......
It's Army SOP (probably DoD) to promote to SGT anyone who becomes a POW (assuming they arent a SGT or higher already)... The thing that brings some question marks to me is that I've read some stuff recently saying that his unit/the army hadn't ever officially declared him a POW?? If that's true, that should raise a few eyebrows.
You aren't automatically promoted to SGT...
POW benefits
Promotions: POW personnel continue to be considered for promotion along with their contemporaries. Policy provides for each missing or captured officer/enlisted member to be considered for promotion to the next higher grade when they are eligible. The eligibility for officers is based on the date of rank in their current grade. For enlisted members, eligibility is based on time in grade and time in service.
MIA benefits
Promotions: MIA personnel continue to be considered for promotion along with their contemporaries. Policy provides for each missing or captured officer/enlisted member to be considered for promotion to the next higher grade when they are eligible. The eligibility for officers is based on the date of rank in their current grade. For enlisted members, eligibility is based on time in grade and time in service.
I find it mind blowing since there were apparently pentagon reports as early as 2010 finding that he was most likely a deserter.
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