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 shrike wrote:
I'm kind of bummed that Greece were knocked out. With such a shaky team (basically Mitroglou, Samaras, Papastathodopoulopoloubolos and Papadolopolopoloulopodolos), slipping through two games with last minute goals shows great spirit, sucks to be beaten by such a lottery as penalties.

Greece really should have won that game. They just ran right over the exhausted Costa Ricans in the end. A pity they did not manage to get a goal out of it. Also, Greek names are hilarious.

It's lovely to see all the butthurt posts about Netherlands-Mexico on sites like 9gag

Iron_Captain wrote:

 shrike wrote:
I'm kind of bummed that Greece were knocked out. With such a shaky team (basically Mitroglou, Samaras, Papastathodopoulopoloubolos and Papadolopolopoloulopodolos), slipping through two games with last minute goals shows great spirit, sucks to be beaten by such a lottery as penalties.

Greece really should have won that game. They just ran right over the exhausted Costa Ricans in the end. A pity they did not manage to get a goal out of it. Also, Greek names are hilarious.

That's a damned shame, and yes they are
Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Lazaros Christodoulopoulos, Sokratis Papastathopoulos, too many damned vowels!

thenoobbomb wrote:It's lovely to see all the butthurt posts about Netherlands-Mexico on sites like 9gag

what was the butthurt about?

I haven't heard anything besides the score, but let me guess... Mexico played their hearts out, especially Ochoa, and they lost anyway?

That, and the penalty after Rovben fell. They especially like to think that he said he faked falling there, while that was referring to him "falling" in the first 45 minutes. I've also seen some stuff wishing every Dutchman dead.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
That, and the penalty after Rovben fell. They especially like to think that he said he faked falling there, while that was referring to him "falling" in the first 45 minutes. I've also seen some stuff wishing every Dutchman dead.

did he dive, or was it a legit penalty? Because Robben does win a lot of legit penalties by basically trying to be fouled. Dirty tactics, but not against the rules. Like not handing the ball back to the opposition if they kick it out to get an injured player seen to.

 shrike wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
That, and the penalty after Rovben fell. They especially like to think that he said he faked falling there, while that was referring to him "falling" in the first 45 minutes. I've also seen some stuff wishing every Dutchman dead.

did he dive, or was it a legit penalty? Because Robben does win a lot of legit penalties by basically trying to be fouled. Dirty tactics, but not against the rules. Like not handing the ball back to the opposition if they kick it out to get an injured player seen to.

From what I gathered and saw, the penalty was justified, and hell, they should've gotten one way earlier in the game.

 shrike wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
That, and the penalty after Rovben fell. They especially like to think that he said he faked falling there, while that was referring to him "falling" in the first 45 minutes. I've also seen some stuff wishing every Dutchman dead.

did he dive, or was it a legit penalty?

I think the line currently being taken by the "experts" on ESPNs coverage in the US, is that it was a legit penalty that was embellished slightly, combined with the ref "making up for" the missed penalty from the first half.


And yeah, some of the comments, especially those coming directly from the actual Mexican camp are hilarious.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 shrike wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
That, and the penalty after Rovben fell. They especially like to think that he said he faked falling there, while that was referring to him "falling" in the first 45 minutes. I've also seen some stuff wishing every Dutchman dead.

did he dive, or was it a legit penalty?

I think the line currently being taken by the "experts" on ESPNs coverage in the US, is that it was a legit penalty that was embellished slightly, combined with the ref "making up for" the missed penalty from the first half.


And yeah, some of the comments, especially those coming directly from the actual Mexican camp are hilarious.

If they lost out to a legit penalty decision after a close-fought game, they should just bow out saying they were against a superior opposition and gave it their all.

 shrike wrote:

If they lost out to a legit penalty decision after a close-fought game, they should just bow out saying they were against a superior opposition and gave it their all.

Judging by "expert" opinion, it would seem that Mexico did lose out to a legit penalty (though I've no idea, seeing as how the only football rules I know are the American and Rugby Union variants.... well, that and offsides, I get that alot on the playstation game )

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 shrike wrote:

If they lost out to a legit penalty decision after a close-fought game, they should just bow out saying they were against a superior opposition and gave it their all.

Judging by "expert" opinion, it would seem that Mexico did lose out to a legit penalty (though I've no idea, seeing as how the only football rules I know are the American and Rugby Union variants.... well, that and offsides, I get that alot on the playstation game )

it'd be legit if the defender making the tackle made contact with the ball before he made contact with the player, basically.

It was a legit penalty in the Netherlands-Mexico game. Robben made it more dramatic, but it was an actual foul. I personally don't blame any of the players for diving, as I see it more as a problem with FIFA than a problem with the players. When you're competing at the national level with literally millions of dollars at stake, of course you're going to strive for every advantage possible to win. I blame FIFA for not doing enough to discourage players from diving. The reward far outweighs the risk because the players so rarely get caught or punished.

I do think there is a difference between "selling a foul" aka embellishing and "faking a foul" aka diving.

 d-usa wrote:
I do think there is a difference between "selling a foul" aka embellishing and "faking a foul" aka diving.

an example of the latter :

creeping-deth87 wrote:I personally don't blame any of the players for diving, as I see it more as a problem with FIFA than a problem with the players. When you're competing at the national level with literally millions of dollars at stake, of course you're going to strive for every advantage possible to win.

To be fair though, if you watched the England-Uruguay game (IIRC, might have been Costa Rica), Gerrard had a very possible foul in the box and didn't go down or call for a foul in any way, just carried on with the game. If you have probably one of the most driven, passionate men in football staying on his feet after a possible foul in a world cup match his country needed to win, then diving is clearly at least somewhat down to the player.
It's a similar thing with others- probably the best dribbler in the world at the moment, Messi, will stay on his feet and, if he physically can't, will scramble on all fours until the whistle goes.
Neymar and Robben, on the other hand, two other great dribblers, hit the deck if someone even looks like they're gonna stick a leg in.

Definitely still FIFA's fault for not punishing it, but it's also definitely down to the players themselves.

 shrike wrote:

It's a similar thing with others- probably the best dribbler in the world at the moment, Messi, will stay on his feet and, if he physically can't, will scramble on all fours until the whistle goes.

Having seen a youtube clip of Messi in action, I have nothing but respect for the dude and his style of play.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 shrike wrote:

It's a similar thing with others- probably the best dribbler in the world at the moment, Messi, will stay on his feet and, if he physically can't, will scramble on all fours until the whistle goes.

Having seen a youtube clip of Messi in action, I have nothing but respect for the dude and his style of play.

yeah. Still don't think he's the greatest player ever and I doubt I ever will, but I have great admiration for the guy and his determination to play until the whistle.

 shrike wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 shrike wrote:

It's a similar thing with others- probably the best dribbler in the world at the moment, Messi, will stay on his feet and, if he physically can't, will scramble on all fours until the whistle goes.

Having seen a youtube clip of Messi in action, I have nothing but respect for the dude and his style of play.

yeah. Still don't think he's the greatest player ever and I doubt I ever will, but I have great admiration for the guy and his determination to play until the whistle.

I think he is a pretty good player. But I don't think his stats are ever really going to show it.

He plays beautiful soccer, he is unselfish, he works hard, he plays for the team and not for himself.

I will not be surprised if he never makes it near the top of any "goals scored" list or wins any Golden Boots, but he can win some Golden Balls together with his other "good player" awards.

He is the definition of a player that gives everything for his team, but that might not make all the highlight reels.

 d-usa wrote:

 shrike wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 shrike wrote:

It's a similar thing with others- probably the best dribbler in the world at the moment, Messi, will stay on his feet and, if he physically can't, will scramble on all fours until the whistle goes.

Having seen a youtube clip of Messi in action, I have nothing but respect for the dude and his style of play.

yeah. Still don't think he's the greatest player ever and I doubt I ever will, but I have great admiration for the guy and his determination to play until the whistle.

I think he is a pretty good player. But I don't think his stats are ever really going to show it.

He plays beautiful soccer, he is unselfish, he works hard, he plays for the team and not for himself.

I will not be surprised if he never makes it near the top of any "goals scored" list or wins any Golden Boots, but he can win some Golden Balls together with his other "good player" awards.

He is the definition of a player that gives everything for his team, but that might not make all the highlight reels.

I respectfully disagree- he makes his way into loads of highlight reels. Some examples of players who don't make the highlight reel is someone like Toni Kroos or Andrea Pirlo, or in defense, folks like Carles Puyol or John Terry. Immensely important to their respective teams, but don't go around raking in the goals or pulling anything flashy.

Germany is making some key mistakes and Algeria is looking pretty hungry.

 d-usa wrote:
Germany is making some key mistakes and Algeria is looking pretty hungry.

Germany seems to think that the guys in green are on their team.

It used to be our away color, maybe they think it's a practice game.

Neuer is our only guy playing, maybe he should try to score a goal..

 d-usa wrote:
It used to be our away color, maybe they think it's a practice game.

Neuer is our only guy playing, maybe he should try to score a goal..

Neuer's basically been playing CB so far

Fehouli's looking like a threat, but there's only so much he can do solo.

speaking of Kroos in my previous post, he's also looking pretty key here, I fancy his chances of getting a goal or an assist from 30 yards or so.

In German, but basically this game so far:



(Then I said to Loew: "Why have defenders when I can just run out of the goal!")

Germany just needs to sort out their defensive issues.
Lahm I'm still not sure why they still field as a midfielder when they have so many great players there to choose from anyway, and not many quality full backs.
Mertesacker and Boateng aren't communicating well and Neuer's having to make up for it all by closing down attackers himself, which I can see going badly pretty easily. It just takes one well placed pass or one piece of misplaced footing and Algeria are a goal up.

On Algeria's side, I'd say their attackers are doing great, but in defense the team needs to watch out that they're not shattered 60-70 minutes in.

edit: Germany's been playing much better, Schurrle was a great choice, doing far more down the wing than Gotze. Could do with Klose as a target man IMO, lots of wing play but they don't have a good header to aim at in the box during open play.

If this goes to penalties they should let Neuer take a shot, he's playing all other positions anyway!

 d-usa wrote:
If this goes to penalties they should let Neuer take a shot, he's playing all other positions anyway!

That'd be amazing

Falling over while taking a free kick, that sums up our entire game right there...

what a routine

very, very enjoyable game so far. Good, steady play from Germany, and great counter-attacking from Algeria. Really difficult to pick out a man of the match so far, could be Schurrle, Muller, Neuer, Lahm, Mbolhi, Slimani, Feghouli, Ghoulam...

I'm going to say Neuer there. I am sure we would be out already if it were not for him.

Edit:

Just look at his heat map for the first half

that's hilarious

great game, feel bad for Algeria who showed great spirit, but Germany kept attacking in extra time even after Schurrle's goal, so well done to them to not sit back.

annoyed that Ozil got the winner, he was one of the few in the German squad who didn't deserve it - Muller did especially.