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So it occurred to me when I was reading the Salamander army organization, that there is very little written down about their armoury post-heresy.

So my questions is: If one would list the entire armoury, like with the Ultramarines in Codex: Space Marines, what would the Salamanders armoury look like? Something like large numbers of Vindicators and Land Raiders?

Far as I know they where smaller legion, not tiny but not ultra/sons of Horus scale.

So yes equipment but maybe not to there scale

So equipment of all kinds, not so spoecalised like armoury of iron warriors for example, with lots of seige weapons, but land raiders, tanks, artillary, aircraft etc.


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Lots and lots of Master Crafted weapons. Every Salamander is a smith you must remember, which means while they might not be swimming in plasma guns, most of their weapons are of incredibly high standards, IIRC many Salamanders also make their own weapons. Obviously, they also have an unusual amount of Flamers.

Well the Salamanders have very VERY few Skimmers and Flyers due to the unstable gravity of Nocturne. That combined with their preference for Melta/ Flame weapons makes me think that their vehicles would,for the most part, be designed to either spearhead a push or be the lynchpin in a defense. The vehicles that come to mind are

Rhinos/ Razorbacks
1 per squad
Vindicators
I would imagine 3 per company
Land Raiders
Probably 1 per Company and an additional one for the Chapter Master and his Retinue's personal use.
Thunderfire Cannons
I would assume 1 per tech marine
Predators
Longer ranges so while not as favored still valued maybe 1-2 per company
Stalker/ Hunter
Dunno, wouldn't need it much for defense of their Chapter's home and it is a new addition to the setting so e have nothing to go off of.

Thanks for the help guys! I really appreciate it

Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

It has never been stated that they make their own vehicles. They are literal smiths, and are depicted as such in every novel that features them.

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

It has never been stated that they make their own vehicles. They are literal smiths, and are depicted as such in every novel that features them.

Smiths shape metal... vehicles are made mostly of metal.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

It has never been stated that they make their own vehicles. They are literal smiths, and are depicted as such in every novel that features them.

Smiths shape metal... vehicles are made mostly of metal.

Now you're just trolling, good day sir.

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

It has never been stated that they make their own vehicles. They are literal smiths, and are depicted as such in every novel that features them.

Smiths shape metal... vehicles are made mostly of metal.

Now you're just trolling, good day sir.

Where do you think the first Predator, the first Land Raider, the first Rhino come from? There was no STC before the first STC for a device existed- someone took some metal, some arc welders, and a bunch of other tools, and they MADE a prototype. The same process could easily be repeated by Salamanders... and over 10,000 years, it could have been repeated a LOT.

No you cannot hammer out land raiders, that's why you have a giant legandery forge ship :-)

Simples

Many Landraiders but salamanders like flamer weapons

jhe90 wrote:
No you cannot hammer out land raiders, that's why you have a giant legandery forge ship :-)

Simples

... I forgot about that. Guess I should have just pointed that out.

I would imagine that the Salamanders have a higher proportion of heresy era tech than most other chapters, as they have been able to repair and maintain them more effectively over 10,000 years. So They would have a few Contemptors and Sicarians floating about, as well as something like a Fellblade.

 Orblivion wrote:

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

I'd agree with that being my image of them. They aren't known for having either a preponderance of vehicles like the dark angels or especially unique and advanced vehicles like the blood angels. They just have excellent infantry gear. That's why they are usually shown as an infantry heavy force. If anything I would not be surprised to see that they have a much larger number of special ranged and close combat weapons even I tactical squads but there has never been a way to depict that on the table top. Vulkan was a Smith, I feel Manus and Peturbo were more the engineers. Johnson had a ton of vehicles because his legion is the oldest,and didn't fight in the heresy.

 Trickstick wrote:
I would imagine that the Salamanders have a higher proportion of heresy era tech than most other chapters, as they have been able to repair and maintain them more effectively over 10,000 years. So They would have a few Contemptors and Sicarians floating about, as well as something like a Fellblade.

If that's true - is it possible they kept some of the predator infernus ? Not a large amount, but perhaps 2-3? I read somewhere in the Massacre rulebook that salamanders used to favor that particularly predator pattern.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Well since they did not split from their Legion (thanks, chaos) their armories would actually be fuller than other 1st founding chapters. Add to this the fact that they are master smiths, repairing things with the skill of the Mechanicus and crafting many of their own weapons and armor (plus that forge ship Vulkan left them), they have more suits of Artificer, Terminator and more master-crafted weapons than most chapters. I read somewhere they have enough TDA suits to equip their entire first company and then some (120+), and if the novel Firedrake is anything to go by enough artificer suits to equip them with too.

Not necessarily, they were always a small legion to begin with and they got their asses handed to them on Istvaan. So much so that they weren't even able to achieve ten full companies as per the codex once it was in effect. It's easy to assume that their equipment was similarly cut down in that battle so that it still matches their manpower.

Well... they've since had 10,000 years to rebuild that armory and every one of them is a smith.

They have plenty of infantry equipment sure, but smiths can't hammer out a Land Raider now can they?

Salamanders are smiths in the same way that a Forge World is a forge.

It has never been stated that they make their own vehicles. They are literal smiths, and are depicted as such in every novel that features them.

Smiths shape metal... vehicles are made mostly of metal.

Now you're just trolling, good day sir.

Where do you think the first Predator, the first Land Raider, the first Rhino come from? There was no STC before the first STC for a device existed- someone took some metal, some arc welders, and a bunch of other tools, and they MADE a prototype. The same process could easily be repeated by Salamanders... and over 10,000 years, it could have been repeated a LOT.

Uh, no. The level of technology in W40K there is no need to ever make something yourself unless it's for some special ceramony or romanticized act the Salamanders enjoy. Even with modern tech, you run a couple hundred or thousand simulations with a computer model, and in the modern day, feed the plans to various machines to cut out the parts before having combined man and machine labor on an assembly line to build the vehicle. In W40K tech, especially in the DAOT when the STC's were likely designed? Plug in a computer model of it, run several thousand or a million tests over a couple days, then press a button to put the vehicle into production and start spitting out an endless line of them. You seem to have an incredibly outdated view of industry to even think forges with blacksmiths are involved in modern factories. Beyond independent inventors (who still largely use machine cut parts) or hobbyists, physical prototypes are a thing of the past, or at least hand-made ones.

Never has there ever been shown Salamanders making their own vehicles, rather we've seen direct evidence that they're on good relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus, who are responsible for building most, if not all, of the Imperium's vehicles.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Never has there ever been shown Salamanders making their own vehicles, rather we've seen direct evidence that they're on good relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus, who are responsible for building most, if not all, of the Imperium's vehicles.

All chapters make their own vehicles, in the chapter forges on their home world. In fact, that is the Master of the Forge's main duty, maintaining the supply of new vehicles. Forge Worlds are only needed to make the most complex of vehicles, such as Thunderhawks.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Never has there ever been shown Salamanders making their own vehicles, rather we've seen direct evidence that they're on good relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus, who are responsible for building most, if not all, of the Imperium's vehicles.

All chapters make their own vehicles, in the chapter forges on their home world. In fact, that is the Master of the Forge's main duty, maintaining the supply of new vehicles. Forge Worlds are only needed to make the most complex of vehicles, such as Thunderhawks.

No they don't, all chapters wish they had such a luxury. You might want to re-read the section of the codex pertaining to the Master of the Forge. Techmarines are in charge of maintaining their vehicles, Master of the Forge has the same role only he also is in charge of the chapter's relics. Nowhere in either the Techmarine or Master of the Forge entry does it mention the manufacturing of new vehicles. In fact, the line about how fiercely Techmarines will fight to reclaim a lost vehicle heavily implies that they do not possess the capability to replace that vehicle themselves.

I was going off IA2, which has an entire section about how chapter forges produce most of the vehicles that are required.

The Salamanders entry in Imperial Armour 10 says they possess an "enviable number" of Land Raider and Predator tanks.

 Gashrog wrote:
The Salamanders entry in Imperial Armour 10 says they possess an "enviable number" of Land Raider and Predator tanks.

Makes sense, they proably also have a larger then normal number of specialist systems that they may not have taken, in large numbers, to istavan.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Never has there ever been shown Salamanders making their own vehicles, rather we've seen direct evidence that they're on good relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus, who are responsible for building most, if not all, of the Imperium's vehicles.

All chapters make their own vehicles, in the chapter forges on their home world. In fact, that is the Master of the Forge's main duty, maintaining the supply of new vehicles. Forge Worlds are only needed to make the most complex of vehicles, such as Thunderhawks.

No they don't, all chapters wish they had such a luxury. You might want to re-read the section of the codex pertaining to the Master of the Forge. Techmarines are in charge of maintaining their vehicles, Master of the Forge has the same role only he also is in charge of the chapter's relics. Nowhere in either the Techmarine or Master of the Forge entry does it mention the manufacturing of new vehicles. In fact, the line about how fiercely Techmarines will fight to reclaim a lost vehicle heavily implies that they do not possess the capability to replace that vehicle themselves.

A likely reason but a more religious one imo. Imo, the Techmarine fighting for the vehicle hull is akin to Christians fighting to reclaim the body of Jesus, in a hypothetical idea of Jesus dying in battle.