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tuiman wrote: How can you say that a PC is far cheaper?
The games are significantly cheaper, especially via Steam sales, Humble bundle etc etc etc. The savings made by buying PC games could easily make up the cost difference between an average gaming PC and a console in a year, if you buy a lot of games you will make up the difference even quicker. The hardware is certainly more expensive but it is also modular so its easy to upgrade, there is no such thing as 'next gen' PCs.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Palindrome wrote: The savings made by buying PC games could easily make up the cost difference between an average gaming PC and a console in a year
While true, you neglect the sales that, at least, Sony does. I don't know about sales that Microsoft does as I've never owned an X-Box. It's not uncommon to see popular, older titles (and by that I mean released earlier in the year) at Christmas for 50% off, at least. I've seen some hit 75% off as well. It doesn't hit the obscene specials that they do on Steam, but Sony at least have been doing some rather good sales.
Now add to this Playstation Plus. While it's a subscription service, I have now paid $40au for 6 months. I have received 6 full priced games for my Vita - I paid $200au for it, those games collectively go over $360au worth of free games. I've received 10 PS3 games - near $700au at retail (and includes games like Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinity and X-Com Enemy Unknown). The free PS4 games haven't been big, but they've saved me about $100au. I know Microsoft does something similar on the X-Box. I signed up only recently - people who have been subscribed to PS Plus since launch over a library of over 50 games at least. And since E3, they're bumped it up to 2 games per system per month.
Outside of torrenting games, I haven't seen that kind of value on my PC. And yes, while I lose access to the games if I let my subscription lapse, I'm not one for replaying games anyway.
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They each have their pro's and cons. Using both a desktop (iMac) and a console (360) I enjoy gaming on both. The 360 for 'my mates are here, pick up and play, plus beer' evenings and ' oh my God I have just dumped another 12 hours into Football Manager' evenings when the wife is out and I'm alone.
Gamers are gamers, regardless of their chosen platform.
tuiman wrote: How can you say that a PC is far cheaper?
The games are significantly cheaper, especially via Steam sales, Humble bundle etc etc etc. The savings made by buying PC games could easily make up the cost difference between an average gaming PC and a console in a year, if you buy a lot of games you will make up the difference even quicker. The hardware is certainly more expensive but it is also modular so its easy to upgrade, there is no such thing as 'next gen' PCs.
Only if you are desperate to get a game the day its released. I always wait a few months, and use stores that do trade-ins or buy and seel second hand on tradme ( the local ebay in NZ) all od sudden the cost of buying games is not that expensive at all. You just have to be smart about it. For example I just only recently got the last of us and was only $30nz second hand. Also all the reasons above that loki mentioned about PS network and PS+. SO far got tomb raider, and variuos others that I cant think of right now for free with that. Its only expensive if you make it expensive.
I buy all my games from overseas (specifically ozgameshop), where the prices are stupid good compared to local prices, so the overpriced console releases and the cheaper PC releases are even cheaper.
Outside of torrenting games, I haven't seen that kind of value on my PC. And yes, while I lose access to the games if I let my subscription lapse, I'm not one for replaying games anyway.
I got 3 free games this month, 1 from Steam and 2 from origin.
Second hand sales are ubiquitous, but not really worth the effort these days, and the base price PC games are around a third cheaper than console games so PC games are cheaper even during sales. In essence PC gaming is cheaper in the long run.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
tuiman wrote: I know I guy that 2 years ago put $4k into a gaming rig and now its out of date.
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Either this is hyperbole, pure BS, or this guy you know is a complete idiot. I've sunk about 2 grand into my PC over the course of seven years; a grand to build it and another to do a pretty major retrofit a year or so ago and i've never had to go below max settings on games I play.
The Witcher 3 is one of my most anticipated games. I really enjoyed the 2nd game but its linear nature annoyed me. The new games fully open world combined with the world building of the earlier games should make a modern classic. Should.
tuiman wrote: I know I guy that 2 years ago put $4k into a gaming rig and now its out of date.
(edit for spelling)
Either this is hyperbole, pure BS, or this guy you know is a complete idiot. I've sunk about 2 grand into my PC over the course of seven years; a grand to build it and another to do a pretty major retrofit a year or so ago and i've never had to go below max settings on games I play.
It could have been a laptop (never buy a gaming laptop).
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
I gotto say, the three variation mechanic for MKX has me worried. I mean yeah, sure, it's cool and all, but how long before "Each character has three variations!" becomes "Pre-order from Game Stop to get the Hellfire variation for Scorpion or from Best Buy to get the Samurai variation of Scorpion". How long before variations become on-disc DLC, there on the disc but locked behind a pay-wall because Warner Brothers Interactive is a "me too!" publisher, always ready to copy the most obnoxious and consumer unfriendly policies of other bigger game publishers like EA and Ubisoft.
Palindrome wrote: It could have been a laptop (never buy a gaming laptop).
Gaming laptop? Contradiction in terms, isn't it?
And I'd like to meet the game that can make my twin Titans obsolete in two years.
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Outside of torrenting games, I haven't seen that kind of value on my PC. And yes, while I lose access to the games if I let my subscription lapse, I'm not one for replaying games anyway.
I got 3 free games this month, 1 from Steam and 2 from origin.
Second hand sales are ubiquitous, but not really worth the effort these days, and the base price PC games are around a third cheaper than console games so PC games are cheaper even during sales. In essence PC gaming is cheaper in the long run.
Not arguing it doesn't happen, and I agree in the long run PC gaming is cheaper. I was just pointing out thanks to sales and Playstation Plus you were severely selling Sony short, and possibly Microsoft. It's not as wide a gap anymore - at least on Playstation with Playstation Plus, you can get serious value for money and very, very good games free only months after release. The edge goes to PC thanks to Steam, but dismissing consoles shows a lack of understanding of strides they've taken lately.
Its an interesting concept but it could go very wrong, especially if it its as multiplayer focused as it looks.
The only thing I know about it is the trailer on page 1
Its F2P and basically plays like World of Spaceships. Hmmmm
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
H.B.M.C. wrote: I gotto say, the three variation mechanic for MKX has me worried. I mean yeah, sure, it's cool and all, but how long before "Each character has three variations!" becomes "Pre-order from Game Stop to get the Hellfire variation for Scorpion or from Best Buy to get the Samurai variation of Scorpion". How long before variations become on-disc DLC, there on the disc but locked behind a pay-wall because Warner Brothers Interactive is a "me too!" publisher, always ready to copy the most obnoxious and consumer unfriendly policies of other bigger game publishers like EA and Ubisoft.
I wouldn't worry too much about that, it would be suicide. I would imagine you'll just see different costume packs.
PC is definitely the "better" platform, but I will say this: it will cost you more in the long run than a console would. I am not terribly familiar with PC costs, but I do know that you are going to have to sink money into upgrades at some point, usually in the form of a new video card. Which as I understand can be expensive. That being said PC users have Steam, and yup can get some awesome deals on there
As for which is truly better in my opinion it nor or less comes down to what you prefer and are willing to pay for. Me personally, I prefer a console because I like knowing that the next big game coming out for my PS4 will run and I don't have to mark any upgrades to the hardware. I also really like the control, but that's probably a moot point given the existence of pc game pads. My friend prefers his pc, but he has the spare scratch to tinker with it and can afford the upgrades that are needed if a new game comes out and he has to upgrade.
tuiman wrote: How can you say that a PC is far cheaper?
The games are significantly cheaper, especially via Steam sales, Humble bundle etc etc etc. The savings made by buying PC games could easily make up the cost difference between an average gaming PC and a console in a year, if you buy a lot of games you will make up the difference even quicker. The hardware is certainly more expensive but it is also modular so its easy to upgrade, there is no such thing as 'next gen' PCs.
Only if you are desperate to get a game the day its released. I always wait a few months, and use stores that do trade-ins or buy and seel second hand on tradme ( the local ebay in NZ) all od sudden the cost of buying games is not that expensive at all. You just have to be smart about it. For example I just only recently got the last of us and was only $30nz second hand. Also all the reasons above that loki mentioned about PS network and PS+. SO far got tomb raider, and variuos others that I cant think of right now for free with that. Its only expensive if you make it expensive.
30 dorra is stupid expensive.
I wonder how good those "free" games where if you can't even remember them.
In steam you can also sell hats, and get hat moneys. With hat moneys you can moar hats or games that unlock hats. I used my hat moneys to buy xcom+dlc.
Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.
If you can't defend or won't defend your opinion then that "opinion" is bs. Stop trying to tip-toe and defend what you believe in.
In steam you can also sell hats, and get hat moneys. With hat moneys you can moar hats or games that unlock hats. I used my hat moneys to buy xcom+dlc.
And thus, I became a fan of steam, even though I always so 'no' when asked if I played TF2
I don't want to buy 2-3 $400 consoles every 3 years, in addition to a couple dozen $30-50 games each year.
I'd rather just put together my own gaming PC(which would run me $600-700) which only needs a few new parts every 3-5 years. I can do everything I could want from a console and so much more.
Making your own PC is far cheaper than getting expensive consoles. And you can always hook up an emulator and still play with your friends.
I really had to resist to post a reply to this but i just had to. I know this is US pricing and not sure how much it translates but will explain it in NZ prices.
For a start you don't have to buy 2-3 consoles. Just 1 will do. Now for me its the PS4 and thats about $600 NZ here. Now I know pc parts over here are a lot more expensive than in the U.S but to build a decent gaming rig will cost upwards of $1k. So the console is cheaper. You said it yourself, $600-700 for a PC or $400 for a console. How can you say that a PC is far cheaper?
Also please get your facts right, the ps3 was out for 7 years before the ps4 was released, so not every 3 years. Now how long does a PC last before you have to updgrade it? Not 7 years that's for sure. I know I guy that 2 years ago put $4k into a gaming rig and now its out of date. You never get that problem with a console. Now I don't want to get into a whole PC vs console debate, as there are both positive and negatives for each side. But to say that a PC is cheaper and lasts longer is not true in my opinion. If people want a civilized console vs pc debate we can happily take it to another thread.
On topic, I am a sony fan over Microsoft. However Microsoft had much more content and exclusives than you give them credit for OP. Much like kan was saying a page or two back. Uncharted and the order to appeal to me though as I really am over Halo. Its not enough by itself to convince me of getting an xbox one. Also I love the white PS4 and will probably use that destiny bundle to pick up my next gen console.
Finally, since last year I have been obsessed with the division. And to me it still looks awesome. So. cant wait for it
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Here is why the PC is cheaper.
I'm not going to be sticking to one console, because I like games on multiple systems. So realistically, I'm buying a new console every 2 years. While I pay the 1k upfront for my PC and then just upgrade some of its parts every 3 years or so(which would be $600ish tops over a 10 year period)
If we look at a 10 year period, and assume games are the same cost(which they aren't), then I've paid $1600ish for the PC, but I've paid $2000 for the consoles. And any new games I get will work on my single platform. And I can do all the things you can do on a PC you can't on a console.
And I'm not paying 1k for a gaming PC if I build it myself. I can get away with it for around $500 with a little effort.
Then the games for PC rapidly drop from release cost of around $50-60 down to $20-30. Console games don't drop like that.
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Murdius Maximus wrote: PC is definitely the "better" platform, but I will say this: it will cost you more in the long run than a console would. I am not terribly familiar with PC costs, but I do know that you are going to have to sink money into upgrades at some point, usually in the form of a new video card. Which as I understand can be expensive. That being said PC users have Steam, and yup can get some awesome deals on there
As for which is truly better in my opinion it nor or less comes down to what you prefer and are willing to pay for. Me personally, I prefer a console because I like knowing that the next big game coming out for my PS4 will run and I don't have to mark any upgrades to the hardware. I also really like the control, but that's probably a moot point given the existence of pc game pads. My friend prefers his pc, but he has the spare scratch to tinker with it and can afford the upgrades that are needed if a new game comes out and he has to upgrade.
Not really.
You may pay $300 for a new video card every 3-5 years tops.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Not the same series of console.
Wii, X-box, PS, etc...
I should also point out that the upgrades on your PC is only if you demand top performance.
I haven't upgraded my PC in 4 years because I'm only demanding ok performance.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Then you seem to be an exception and not the rule.
everyone I know who owns consoles has at least 3 at any one time.
My brother currently owns 4. Wii, WiiU, X-box, and X-box1.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
...most of my friends only stick with one console. In fact, only two others have consoles other than their first one - one of them bought it herself, and the other has a PS3, with the Xbox being his brother's.
also, not having to upgrade my system every 4-5 years is nice.
If you have the money, time to assemble one, and don't want to play with friends on a couch.
LOL WUT?!?!
you know you can plug MULTIPLE console like controllers into a PC and play almost every console game ever right? even with friends whilst sitting on the couch... emulators are awesome.
I spent ~400$ for my PC because I dont shop stupid(shop smart, shop S-Mart!) at the big box stores that over charge, and ~200$ for a good graphics card, that was about 5 years ago, all the peripherals I have had for almost 15 years, and they still work... compared to ~500$ every time a new gen console comes out, and the fact that I have to buy 2+ consoles to get all the games I want...
what commie country do you come from where the PC's are not assembled? it costs me like 20-50$ if I want them to put it all togetehr for me, but I do it myself, plugging a board into a slot and manipulating tiny screws is not that hard.
and I am still running brand new games like wolfenstein at high settings.
Ahtman wrote: I remember when this thread was about E3. Good times.
Personally I'm getting a little bored of the console/PC willy-waving contest going on.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Yeah it is one of those unending debates, but I just go with the ebb and flow of the thread here anymore. DakkaDakka is nothing if not extremely efficient at derailing threads way off topic then bogging them down into insults and one upping...
Anyway that stupidity aside, anyone catch more on that silly, incredibly SWASPM homefront sequel?
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That Dreadnought gameplay looks awesome. I tried shouting at the trailer in English but it's still speaking German so I don't know what is being said.
I haven't seen anything new for that Homefront sequel, then again I haven't been looking.
While looking for new E3 trailers I discovered that IGN have cloned Jessica Chobot... what is that about?
Although I did find this. It's not from E3 but it may be of interest to others who haven't seen it.
Now if sony get their project morpheus thing to work with this game, guaranteed buy for me. Although I may need to buy some adult incontinence pants.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I will say that they need to brush up on the Alien noises and get rid of those Predator clicks.
Part of the reason the Alien is so terrifying is that it makes very little noise. Obviously allow it to make noise walking around, but having it roar just seems a but too much. Hissing, squealing and perhaps a scream or two.
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