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Hi all,

I've read the rules and just want to make sure I've got it correct in my mind.
A bound army must be set up in traditional FOC ways:
Minimum 1 HQ & 2 Troops
Additional 1 HQ, 4 Troops, 3 Elite, 3 Fast, 3 Heavy, 1 Lord, 1 Fort

But it can then have additional detachments that are set up the same way and still be bound?
Do additional detachments still only exist after 2000 points or is that a thing of the past?
What about if they contain an ally using traditional methods, is this still bound?

Can you have multiple detachments from the same codex?

I think I know all the answers but I wanted to check I've got it right.

Yes, additional CADs are still a battle forged Army

No, the 2000 points requirement is gone.

Yes, if you include an Allied detachment(or several) it is still a Battle forged army.

Yes, you can have Multiple CADs of the same faction, they will be Battle Brothers Allies to each other(not that that actually makes any difference).

Our tournaments here limit you to 1 extra CAD or 1 Ally. A lot aren't allowing an extra CAD even. If it for a To make sure to ask.

You are also not even required to take the CAD, you could do multiple ally FOC or just even use Formation Detachments. But at the moment only the CAD, Allies and Skyblight formations provide for Objective secured.

Barnowl,
There still needs to be a Primary Detachment, therefore Battle-Forged Armies can not consist of just multiple Allied Detachments as they lack permission to be the Primary Detachment.

So the best way to run 4 HQ's in a 1500 point game would just be to run the additional HQ's as a detachment then?

Within Battle-Forged:
The easiest way would to simply run two Combined-Arm Detachments of the same Faction and paying for the four troops that would be required to make it legal.

Outside:
Run a 'unglued' Army and take 10 HQ's!

Seriously though, if you really want to run these four HQ's and your finding it hard to pay the mandatory troop tax to gain access to more slots for your Army it might be time to consider simply declaring it as unbound and calling it a day. That would allow you to take all four HQ's together and should there be a considerable point problem then it is unlikely the rest of the army would be somewhat broken. Worse comes to worse, try and achieve as close to that minimal requirement as possible and it is unlikely any opponent would have a problem with it. More so seeing their troop's now trump your army on objectives.

Battle Forged armies do *not* need a Combined Arms detachment.

You could take nothing but 2 skyblight formations and be battle forged.
You could take 1 skyblight formation, make it primary, and take a DE Allied detachment and a SM ally detachment.

The only restriction is that all models must be part of one, and only one, detachment.
You may not have *only* allied detachments
Any allied detachments must be a different faction than the primary detachment

coredump wrote:

You may not have *only* allied detachments
Any allied detachments must be a different faction than the primary detachment

While this is true, this is not the reason you can't *only* have Allied Detaches. You may not because it says that an Allied Detach may not be your Primary.

If I am running 2 HQ and 2 Troops in my primary, just enough as this is a 1500 point game. with a Combined Arms Detachment that is 2 more HQ and 2 Troops, can the HQ still join and leave any unit they please or are they restricted to their particular detachment?

Also, is 2HQ/2Troop for the Primary and the CaD enough, or do I need more in order to count as Battleforged?

Battle Forged just requires that things be organized into Detachments and Formations.

Detachments include:
Combined Arms Detachment
Allied Detachement (can't be primary)
Inquisitorial Detachment
Imperial Knights Detachment
Legion of the Damned Detachment

Formations include the various Formations found in rulebooks and dataslates. They DO NOT include Apocalypse Formations as these are reserved for the Apocalypse Expansion.

You could have a Legion of the Damned Detachment as your Primary with one LotD Sarge as your Warlord, a Combined Arms Detachment of Salamanders Space Marines, an Allied Detachment of Farsight Enclaves and an Allied Detachment of Chaos Daemons if you wanted... you would just have some interesting allied forces restrictions to abide by (Come the Apocalypse, One Eye Open, etc.).

You could also have an Inquisitorial Detachment as your primary consisting of a single 25 point Inquisitor as your Warlord. Then just add Allied Detachments of 1HQ/1Troop until you get to what you want. If you do this, none of your models will have Objective Secured though.

 Lobomalo wrote:
If I am running 2 HQ and 2 Troops in my primary, just enough as this is a 1500 point game. with a Combined Arms Detachment that is 2 more HQ and 2 Troops, can the HQ still join and leave any unit they please or are they restricted to their particular detachment?

Also, is 2HQ/2Troop for the Primary and the CaD enough, or do I need more in order to count as Battleforged?

Assuming you are using a |Combined Arms detachment, then EACH CAD requires 1HQ and 2Troops, just like the good old FOC before it, before it is legal.

If you have 2 HQ and 2 Troops, then assuming this is a CAD that is only enough for one, legal, CAD

Inquisition has its own Detachment, whch only requires 1 HQ. Knights are again different.

ONE of your detachments ,if it is allowed to be, is then your Primary. So there is no "primary and CAD" you have "CAD (Primary) and CAD"

The relatinship between ALL detachments is governed by the Allies matrix. If your 2 detachments are from the Same Faction, then they are BB and can join and leave freely.

Is it correct to say that you build your army and THEN select a Warlord? The Warlord's Detachment becomes the Primary detachment. So it's not so much that an Allied Detachment can't be chosen as Primary as you can't select your Warlord from an Allied Detachment.

Also, if you have NO models in your army which are eligible to be Warlords (easy in unbound, but difficult in battleforged), you would simply have no Warlord and therefore no Primary Detachment?

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
If I am running 2 HQ and 2 Troops in my primary, just enough as this is a 1500 point game. with a Combined Arms Detachment that is 2 more HQ and 2 Troops, can the HQ still join and leave any unit they please or are they restricted to their particular detachment?

Also, is 2HQ/2Troop for the Primary and the CaD enough, or do I need more in order to count as Battleforged?

Assuming you are using a |Combined Arms detachment, then EACH CAD requires 1HQ and 2Troops, just like the good old FOC before it, before it is legal.

If you have 2 HQ and 2 Troops, then assuming this is a CAD that is only enough for one, legal, CAD

Inquisition has its own Detachment, whch only requires 1 HQ. Knights are again different.

ONE of your detachments ,if it is allowed to be, is then your Primary. So there is no "primary and CAD" you have "CAD (Primary) and CAD"

The relatinship between ALL detachments is governed by the Allies matrix. If your 2 detachments are from the Same Faction, then they are BB and can join and leave freely.

Can the CaD be the same faction?

Lobomalo wrote:
Can the CaD be the same faction?

Yes. You can take any level of alliance, and any faction INCLUDING the same, when you start your second, third, fourth etc detachments.

The only requirement for battleforged is that they all come from the same faction WITHIN the detachment, and that you follow recognised detachments.

Sweet, thanks for the help

 Kriswall wrote:

You could also have an Inquisitorial Detachment as your primary consisting of a single 25 point Inquisitor as your Warlord. Then just add Allied Detachments of 1HQ/1Troop until you get to what you want. If you do this, none of your models will have Objective Secured though.

Why not, allied detachments do have the OS rule.

Oh, you're right. They do! I missed this. My apologies.

Kriswall,
I thought about the inquisitor and Allied Detachment angle, it does work to get around a few things as it is the cheapest 'Primary Detachment' you can have. However, if the goal was to get four Head-Quarter units in a single Battle-Forged Army, two Combined Arms Detachments still is the best option. It has the same mandatory troop requirements but lacks the additional cost, though admitting small, that comes with including even more mandatory Models into the Army to fill a fifth Detachment. That being said, if one of the four Head-Quarter Units being discussed is an inquisitor by chance, then one primary of Inquisitors and three Allied Detachments could be more cost effective.

I really do look forward to a great deal more Formation and Detachments being released, they add a degree of flexibility to the balance.

 Kriswall wrote:
Is it correct to say that you build your army and THEN select a Warlord? The Warlord's Detachment becomes the Primary detachment. So it's not so much that an Allied Detachment can't be chosen as Primary as you can't select your Warlord from an Allied Detachment.

Also, if you have NO models in your army which are eligible to be Warlords (easy in unbound, but difficult in battleforged), you would simply have no Warlord and therefore no Primary Detachment?

You will always have warlord. If there is no Character to be warlord, which is not required to be your HQ anymore, then a none character model can be selected.

 Kriswall wrote:


Formations include the various Formations found in rulebooks and dataslates. They DO NOT include Apocalypse Formations as these are reserved for the Apocalypse Expansion.

You are making an assertion here that has absolutely no rules support.

Apoc Formations are formations and can absolutely be taken.

In fact the only continued purpose for the apoc book is the Super heavies and the formations, all other rules have been superseded by the 7th edition rulebook.

There really is no such thing as an apoc game anymore with the Addition of unbound armies and no point limit games.