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Hi all!

So im doing a camp with some friends and im stuck fighting blood angels with old orks... And to be honest its not really fun.

Now before everyone says to wait for new edition I cant we are playing 6th edition so I cant change codex half way through campaign.

I made a list kinda speed freak with trukks and wagons with lootas. Which was horrible against the cheese list this guy sent at me death company, dread with blood claws a bunch of assault Marines, and I think storm raven or something cant remember the flyers name.

Now im asking has anyone fought this list and won (with orks) and how did you do that list and such

Also do sanguniary priest give 4 plus feel no pain cause I cant believe that...

Thanks guys the guy was just kinda of a gak head and want to bring him low for it.

Sang Priests give a 5+ FNP same as everything else.

The key is making sure you get the charge; without it, the Death Co and AM will tear your orks up. Shoot the Dread with the Lootas ASAP, rather than taking it in CC, and the Stormraven should be the second target for them; you only lose 1 BS by Snap firing.

So here is more info on list.

My list:
3 trukks with boyz and a couple nobz with pks

2 battle wagons 1 with supa kannon other open topped with a bunch of troops and big mek with kff

7 nob bikers with pain boy and wazzdakka as warlord

2 squads of lootas 10 man squad.

Blood angels:
2 squads fully dec assault squads

2 deathcompany with Chaplin

bunch of san priests in squads

terminator assualt squad

and dread with death company in storm raven.

Gonna already take out the nob bikers and change them into normal bikers and figure out more shooty with left over points.

the least unsuccessful list i had against blood angels (way back in 5th, just after the ba codex was released) had lots of trukks fulla shoota boyz, lootaz, and deffkoptaz. the worst units to face were the death company dreadnought and mephiston. the dread was particularly nasty, making short work of a couple of trukks with the magna grapple, and chewing up whole mobs of boyz with those ridiculous blood talons.
your best bet would probably be lots of boyz, and as many rokkits and power klaws as you can get in there.
of course, if he's bringing ridiculous lists to campaign games, with no consideration as to what you're able to field, maybe he's not the best guy to be playing with. the most important thing to remember, for all involved, is that it's a game, and is supposed to be fun. the only way you're playing it wrong is if you're not both having a good time, and a one-sided slaughter is no fun to be on the receiving end of. or the giving end, if you're a considerate player...

Yeah dude im bummed cause the camp we playing is kinda like the camp of soulstorm we have planets and webway gates to jump to other planets. It seems like tons of fun except im stuck on a planet with blood angels with a guy who is a merciless player who is hell bent on kicking me out of the camp asap.

Like im cool with someone talking some gak but he flaunts and raves about how his army is built to destroy horde armies. And would constantly point out my flaws and may be cheating on FnP.

so really demoralizing.

And the guys not bad outside of the game just kinda of a explicit word during it.

do you know you will be playing him for a few games??

if he has set up an anti horde army. switch to an elite and shotty army.
Lots of mega nobs and lootas. avoid the trukks and battle wagons.
may as well make him run across the board in your favor.

and no Sang priests do not give 4+ FnP

He's not running a cheese list. Btw how many DC? Because you need three in a squad min and you can only take 1 squad of them without astorath so I don't know where that '2' comes from.
Major problem you have is that stormraven. Without being able to take it down the talon dread and death co WILL get the charge and then wreck face. But remember, for them to charge it MUST drop into skimmer mode, only move 6" and deploy the squad 6". This means that you can target it when it drops into skimmer mode to take it down with the lootas. Still won't help avoiding the charge though.
Keep the nob bikers - as a BA player they are the scariest thing in your list. It is your trukk boyz I look at and think 'easy pickings'. But if going speed freaks that can't really be avoided.
Spread PKs around liberally (remember not only will it negate armour and wound on a 2+ but it also causes ID so no fnp.).
Tarpit the termis with boyz, rip the assault squads open with the nob bikerz. He can obly assault you with the ravens contents onturn3 by the earliest so try taking down as much of the rest ofhis stuff as possible, then lose a unit or 2 to his raven squad+dread, then counter charge with everything the next turn, drowning them in attacks. The DC dread with talons is a lot less scary without its +2 rage attacks on the charge.

Best way? Run battle wagons in place of trucks and some meganobs- these guys rape anything you throw them at.

He also can only take 1 death company unit without astorath.

Also shoots boys > than slugga.

Remeber your wagons are open top so move up, if he gets in range move 12, Hop out 6, shoot and charge. You are more Moble.

So he has two squads of death company. One on foot the other is in the bird. My whole list even the boyz in trukks were shootas i was already trying to shoot him to bits by running him around the field the problem is that it does not work he would always get saves and get a magical FnP 4+ so after that they all have reroll on wounds and hits. With that he also has the dread with blood talons or what i like to call cheese claws. (say what you will they need to be nerfed)

I already knew that BA is top tier stuff and the ork codex is barely mid tier.

Also if you roll double one for charge and you are two inches away does that mean you still cant charge? Like my bikes were 2 inches from his death company and he explained that i could not do it cause its double one.... idk and did not want to beef about it but i have seen plenty of battle reports where guys put there troops 2 inches away just so that would not happen.

But what i gathered is bring in tough money pits like mega nobz and more lootas.

The other thing is im stuck with this guy. We are playing a camp where there are main bases in order to win you have to destroy other main bases ever battle gives upgrades and cool fluff stuff. We already decided that you can have diplomacy and ask to ally up with each other.

This guy wants to end me as quickly as possible which sucks cause i want to play against everyone but him! He is not fun he cant stand me making mistakes he got a little heated from me accidently rolling another dye in the mix of shots and made me reroll which was funny cause i did much better then my last barrage of shots.

Like he makes me feel like im at work and hes my boss watching over everything and making sure i rolled infront of him and such (even though he rolled on his on side behind some building and I know he rolled a one for a feel no pain but said it passed, literally i play mostly space marines and never have i seen so many saves in my life so i think he was cheating a tad)

I like games where im laughing and havin fun im not gonna beef and yell that just ruins the game.

That why i wanted to make a list that would do really well and can sustain not only the blood angels rampage but the gakky players rampage as well...

Bollocks on the double 1! Of course you can charge! He makes a mistake everytime he rolls a 4+ fnp!
Also BA are DEFINITELY NOT top tier! They are bottom feeders along with nids, DA and Orks. Wait till you play CSM, C:SM, Space wolves, Grey Knights, Inquisition, DE, SoB, IK, or heaven forbid AM, Tau, Deamons or ELDAR.
And Blood Talons are not OP as they are usually exceptionally difficult to get into combat, although admittedly against orks it is not so much a problem.


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Also he CANNOT take 2 squada of DC unless running astorath. Check his points too, as DC with packs are base 35pts without any further upgrades.


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Also only DC get reroll hits and wounds and then only with a chaplain.

As a blood Angel player. The man your playing against makes me sick and IMO has the mind of a 10 year old... You can say I said so too.

Putting lootas in the opened topped battle wagon is a good idea...who cares if you move and have to snap shot...

Avoid the dread or kill it early w/ lootas

Shoot the BA troops to death



As pointed out, the BA player is rooking you w/ fnp, it is 5+
And the DC squads...only 1 is allowed w/o Astorath
Also points wise, he seems high...without knowing what is in the DC squads, he's at 1,500 points or soeh, maybe he's good there

 raiden wrote:
Remeber your wagons are open top so move up, if he gets in range move 12, Hop out 6, shoot and charge. You are more Moble.

Remember you can only disembark if you moved if the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

I am surprised that you're having such trouble with BA, my brother plays orks and I always struggle to get a win against him. He runs 2 battle wagons, one filled with his warboss, nobz, including pain boy, and a mix of claws and big big choppas, second battle wagon has burnas and a mek with KFF. This is supported by boys in trucks, a bike squad and some gretching to camp a home objective.

The burnas are a great answer to DC especially if you fire fromm the battlewagon.

BA are in a bad place atm, everything in the dex is so pointy and the same output is meh.

And boy do I still wish my BA had 4+FNP.

D

I feel like this guys trolling me cause I made a list of his gak and just taps up to a little over 2000 points... we are playing 1850 but a extra 150 points is ALOT to me.

Also i have no trouble fighting any other chapters i have kicked the crap out wolves, grey knights, smurfs so i know space marines are not the end of the world. I have more trouble with eldar (damn wiggly fingers)

But just getting tabled by this guy and having him gloat drove me to do this post so ill have some words with him on his list and what he is bring to the game cause seems like hes not making a cheese list but cheating...

Thank guys!!

No probs.
150pts is huge at that level. That means his force is 8.1% bigger than yours! He is practically getting 2 sanguinary priests with jps for free!
And that is on top of all his cheating!
Once you get him to a reasonable and fair fight - you will realise the only SM chapter that sucks as hard as BA, is DA.

Watch out though - I tend to find orks struggle in general against BA. Orks have a better chance than BA against most opponents but in a straight fight BA tend to prevail. That is personal experience mind.

^ mega nobs. In battlewagon. There is really nothing the BA have to stop these guys. Blood talons are only str6 just stay away from the naught and you can steam roll any of his troops. Also weight of fire always does nice work.

Reading over the list you posted that this guy uses, a couple things:

Death Company: Regular marines that are really angry. He only get's one squad, unless he takes Astorath the Grim. He doesn't? Tell him to rewrite his list because he's cheating. As for dealing with them when they show up, shoot them, you have lootas, so erase them.

Assault Terminators: If he's smart he'll stick a Sanguinary priest with these guys, it makes them remarkably hard to kill. But, he's probably deep striking them, and if he's running hammers assault him with a squad of slugga boyz, you'll kill him in sheer wait of hits. Or ignore them.

Stormraven: Ugh. While a decent flyer in most regards, you can kill it with the Lootas after a turn or two of shooting. Just glance it to pieces and voila, no more irritating av12 flyer.

Note: You have Nob bikers with Wazdakka...I'm fairly certain if he's running the list he is, he's light on weapons for his DC. That means he doesn't ignore any of your armor saves or instakills Nobz. Run them in on the charge and ERASE a unit, DC are scary but Nob bikers are scarier.

My primary armies and Orks and BA. In 6th, I had a lot more success with Orks than BA.

Everyone has already pointed out how he is cheating, so I won't go into that. It certainly seems like his list is illegal and over the points limit. I may let someone go 5 over if they have to in a friendly game. A 150pts is way too much, that's a full squad of 30 shootas.

Another thing to remember is that the chaplain only gives rerolls on the first turn of combat and only if they charge. If he multi-charges, he doesn't get the +1Str for furious charge and doesn't get the +2 attack bonus for rage.

Orks can be more successful, but in my experience only had a couple of viable builds. Even in 5th ed (aka the vehicle edition), trukks sucked hard. A squad of 12 boys scares what, a guard squad maybe.

The best units for orks: 1)Lootas, 3 squads of 10-15. 2) Nob bikers 3) Shoota boys 4) Artillery

Take 3 squads of lootas, 10-15 strong. Unload on the death company, then assault squads.

Keep the Nob bikers, but drop wazdakka and just use a warboss on a bike with cybork, klaw, bosspole, squig. Add a painboy to the bike squad (now troops) for feel no pain of your own. Powerklaws will instant kill them, no armor & no feel no pain. Against him, half the squad should have klaws, definitely take the banner. The rest should have big choppas.

Battlewagons w/deffrollas are awesome against vehicles, but they really don't have much of a target in this list. They can protect your lootas, but you're better off with more shoota boys.

You may also consider some large groups of grots to act as speed bumbs. They are there to die in combat, then you counter charge.


1850
155 Warboss Bike, BP, PK, cybork, squig

490 Nob Biker Mob
painboy w/cybork
Nob w/cybork, PK, & Waaagh! banner
Nob w/cybork, PK, & bp
Nob w/cybork, PK
Nob w/cybork & BC
Nob w/cybork & BC
Nob w/cybork & BC

185 30 shoota boys,1 big shoota
185 30 shoota boys,1 big shoota
185 30 shoota boys,1 big shoota
58 16 grots w/runtherd
67 19 grots w/runtherd

225 15 Lootas
150 10 Lootas
150 10 Lootas
He has almost no shooting beyond bolt pistols and the storm raven. Weight of fire will slaughter his list.

As a BA player I hate it when I see Nob bikers, then again I suppose that's true regardless of what army I'm playing, those guys are down right jerks to everyone and everything on the board.

Hey thanks gentlemen I really appreciate the ideas and will work on the list let you know the outcome of this "conflict"

Just a couple of things to take note of... running multiple squads of DC without Astorath -may- be legal if your event is allowing unbound armies.

Also, Blood Angels are the bottom tier and are extremely overcosted for what they get. With that in mind, they are really geared towards fighting Orks, with options like Blood Talons and tons of squads with high attacks and durability.

 Radical_Edward wrote:
Just a couple of things to take note of... running multiple squads of DC without Astorath -may- be legal if your event is allowing unbound armies.

Also, Blood Angels are the bottom tier and are extremely overcosted for what they get. With that in mind, they are really geared towards fighting Orks, with options like Blood Talons and tons of squads with high attacks and durability.

So, have you ever faced the AV 14 wall of battle wagons and kill cannons? That can hurt. Specially with a KFF and a few walkers or lootas.