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Hey Dakkites

I realised while playing my buddy yesterday that Mournfang should be run in 3's. I know that everyone runs them in 4's, HA+IF's for skullcrusher rivals, and the reason people said you take 4 is because they are specail, so you have more points to spend on them which is a valid point. HOWEVER, a benefit of running in a unit of 3, which I didnt notice with my skullcrushers due to frenzy is if you loose 1 Mournfang out of 4 its a panic check, on leadership 7, but if you are a unit of 3 you cant be panic'd by loosing 1, you need to take 6 wounds to panic.

I cant have been the first to notice this, is there anything ive missed that will leave me with egg on my face?

you panic if you lose 3 wounds regardless of whether the unit is 3 or 4.

If a unit of 4 loses 3 wounds, thats 25% thus a panic check
If a unit of 3 loses 3 wounds, thats 33% thus a panic check.

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There is literally no reason to take Mournfang in units less than three.

Doing so is having your cake and not eating it, when the ogre book is designed to have a cake and eat it.

For points. 1 mournfang is still a high armor, high mobility, small footprint unit that hits hard and doesn't cost too much. And not every game is 2500pts.

I always take 4.

You'll take a panic test after 1 casualty with 3 or 4 in a unit either way. Might as well have more bodies when you reach melee. Its tough to kill more than 1 Mournfang before they charge.

3 is best. you'll never be under 25% of original unit size for regrouping if you get beaten.

You'll never be under 25% with 4 either.

hahaha some of these comments are full of fail

 Grey Templar wrote:
You'll never be under 25% with 4 either.

Same goes for 5. And I know someone who runs units of 5 on occasion.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
You'll never be under 25% with 4 either.

Same goes for 5. And I know someone who runs units of 5 on occasion.

1/5 = 20%. You can be under 25% when you start with 5

 BoTW wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
You'll never be under 25% with 4 either.

Same goes for 5. And I know someone who runs units of 5 on occasion.

1/5 = 20%. You can be under 25% when you start with 5

RIght you are. I blame mornings.

Lol math

I am so sorry guys I completely got my ideas back to front, for some reason I confused 'rallying on unmodified ld if more than 25%' with 'panicing at a loss of 25%'. The benefit I was thinking of like my skullscrushers in 3's is if I break from combat I rally on unmodified not snake eyes. But I'd be foolish to plan an army around what when's when I break from combat!

Another benefit(not major, but still benefit) from running 4 instead of 3, is that if you suffer 3 wounds, you lose a r&f model..
If you run 3 however, and suffer 3 wounds, your musician dies(assuming you have full command).
I know most players only take musi/sb, but for someone who wants a champion for his own reasons, units of 4 are best.
I personally like Lore of Metal a lot, and play armies that have access to it, so mournfang has never ben a problem for me.
Especially when I have the Supreme Patriarch in the army

A benefit to running 4 would be that it also allows you to lose a single model (bound to happen between shooting/magic/first round of combat) and still have a complete first rank. This can be important in making sure the enemy isn't steadfast if you can do enough damage to make sure they don't have two complete ranks. Although, these guys are probably able to grind better than most so it isn't 100% necessary to break them on the first check.

I had a lot of luck running 2 units of 2.
Heavy armor, great weapons, with only unit champ.

I'd flank with them. 156 points for 2D3 S5 impact hits, 8 S5 attacks, followed by 7 S6 attacks and 2 S5 stomps.
3+ armor is fairly durable, especially if in the flank where you aren't taking a lot of attacks.

So why unit champ? Because wounds are split between them from shooting, and they can soak a challenge if they want to, or decline and fight at full effect.