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So the sections concerning "Hard to Hit" for FMCs and Flyers are different in that Flyers specifically states that blasts and templates (or anything else that rolls to hit) can't hit flyers, however, the section for FMCs only says that snap shots must be used to hit FMCs, unless the firing model has the skyfire special rule. From this I've gleaned two things:

1) If you have a model with skyfire that can fire blasts, hit can hit FMCs (a GK stormraven's mind strike missiles for example)

and 2) If an FMC is under a blast or template (but not the target of it) can be hurt by them.

Am I understanding this correctly, or am I missing some critically important rule that makes this impossible?

Terrifyingly that seems to be correct.

1) yes
2) Not so sure, Really needs a FAQ.

Not seeing any issues with it.

Barnowl,
Is it a Model under the Scattered Marker?
Does it have a Rule stating it can not be Hit?

Either it is an oversight by the Authors, that they mistakenly left off the Rule stating Flying Monstrous Creates are immune to Blast Markers, or it was a deliberate removal to allow Flying Monstrous Creatures to be hit by Blast Markers. This only has two outcomes where the Flying Monstrous Creature will either be completely immune to Blast Markers after Errata or that the Errata will never come and the Flying Monstrous Creature will always be vulnerable to all Blast Markers, Scattered or Targeted. This because an answer of 'it can be targeted but not scattered over' would require some specific Rule stating that the Flying Monstrous Creature can ignore Scattered Blast Markers and only Scattered Blast Markers.

The absence of such a Rule means it would follow the default resolution for Blast Makers.

JinxDragon wrote:


Either it is an oversight by the Authors, that they mistakenly left off the Rule stating Flying Monstrous Creates are immune to Blast Markers, or it was a deliberate removal to allow Flying Monstrous Creatures to be hit by Blast Markers. This only has two outcomes where the Flying Monstrous Creature will either be completely immune to Blast Markers after Errata or that the Errata will never come and the Flying Monstrous Creature will always be vulnerable to all Blast Markers, Scattered or Targeted. This because an answer of 'it can be targeted but not scattered over' would require some specific Rule stating that the Flying Monstrous Creature can ignore Scattered Blast Markers and only Scattered Blast Markers.

The absence of such a Rule means it would follow the default resolution for Blast Makers.

I don't quite agree there. If blast/template has Skyfire, then agree able to target FMC. No skyfire, then Hard to Hit and snap shot come in so no targeting. Scatter is were to me things get a little weird. Ca you scatter on to things that you can only hit with snap-shots?

Yes,
Snap Shots are a specific type of Shooting attack, not a Special Rule which is present on the Shots, which only affects the Firing Models.

However I can see where confusion could be stemming form, but I would like to point out that the Hard to Hit Rule on the Flying Monstrous Creature requires it to be the target of the attack. The first sentence sets the context of the second, stating that Flying Monstrous Creatures are difficult for a Unit to Target. The second goes on to state that Shots resolved against such a target may only be resoled by the process known as Snap Shots. Given that the Flying Monstrous Creature was never nominated as a Target, and that the Shot gets past all the stages a Snap Shot effects prior to reaching this point so it would be impossible to 'undo' the Scatter, it would be very difficult to evoke a rule requiring said Flying Monstrous Creature to be the target of the attack before it can even function.

After all, scattered Blast Markers have permission to Hit things they did not originally Target.

I am curious how this gets ruled. Can a scatter off a legal target hit an invisible unit, for example?

The way it looks to me is as follows.

In order to resolve the shot (note the rulebook says resolve, not hit) the shot must be fired as a snap shot.

If a blast weapon does not have Skyfire and scatters over a Swooping FMC, then it cannot affect the FMC as the shot was not resolved as a Snap Shot.

On the other hand, if a blast with Skyfire is fired at a Swooping FMC, but scatters into a non-Flyer/Skimmer/FMC unit, and can still affect the unit.

HappyJew,
The Rule states that resolving Shots against such a target requires them to be fired as Snap Shots.
The Hit is being generated as part of a Shooting Sequence being resolved against an entirely different Target.

The only thing that is specifically immune to a scattered blast, is a zooming flyer.

 Lobukia wrote:
I am curious how this gets ruled. Can a scatter off a legal target hit an invisible unit, for example?

Yes, he is in the blast radius, but he isn't the initial target so you wouldn't apply invisibility. I believe this was covered in another topic earlier this week

It doesn't even need to scatter you could just target something near to the FMC (or invisible unit) and place the marker so it hits both. This is a great use for example of Karamazov.

However I personally think the hard to hit rule is an oversight for FMCs so I discuss it with my opponent before playing RaW as I believe it is intended to work as it does for flyers. I expect this to get FAQ'D after the first WHW event when someone points this out to a TO or Staff member.

If you remember that now FMCs test Grounding only once per phase, it could be a deliberate change.

I also though like that, but then someone pointed out to me that Skyfire only allows you to shoot at your normal BS value on the target when you Snapshot at it, not that you can also use Blasts and templates if you have Skyfire

No, skyfire means you are not snapshotting. Reread.