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Looks actually pretty solid for a pre-alpha.

I'd be excited for this if this had Necrons.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

You mean besides the fact that the textures aren't fully in place yet?

I am not talking about the textures, I am talking about the models.

Point stands.

The models are barely done at this point, both in animations and textures.

Meh. The game so far seems to be going the right way, the devs listen to their community, they seem to care and they keep insisting that the available weapons will be sidegrades rather than flat out upgrades. Planetside is a great example of being able to do that - most the non-basic weapons are situational and more about your personal preferences and playstyle rather than upgrades of existing ones. Sure, some turn out to be better than others, but remember that Terran Republic Light Assault's regular TRAC-5 turned out to be, in most situations, the best LA weapon available, so it's perfectly possible and if the devs keep listening, it'll also be like that with Eternal Crusade, take a chill pill, guys.

Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.

Another thing is the model. I love how people are so hell-bent on calling it a F2P game when it's 95% paid one with only one class for one faction being free to play and openly advertised from even before the game was in it's programming stage as being much weaker and meant to use F2P players as fodder / human NPCs that actually -could- do something in battle anyway. I, for one, love that idea - works perfectly with the fluff, gives people ability to take part in the conflict and lets them see the epic battles. If they want to continue as a Boy, they're free to. They might have a few friends to run in bunches - power ratio aside, a single (let's say Marine) player is quite unlikely to just kill 5 other players with weaker guns in a shooter. They can outflank him, they can spray at him - he'll not be invincible, just tougher, but that's still five guns shooting at a person that can shoot at one target at a time, so it's doable. Although I'll bash the devs if they put -too many- restrictions on Boyz. Being weaker and expected to fight in bigger groups is one thing, but denying them mechanics(like being unable to spawn vehicles more than once a day, for example) would be another. We want them to feel like measly Boyz, not second class citizens of the real world.

But again - so far everything seems to be heading the right way, so let's not get biased and sensationalist without a reason. If people wanted a store and founder program, then cool. Not like it'd take ages and a fortune to develop them and both sides get what they want - money and shinies respectively. Not like we -have- to buy them if we don't want(I'm saying we but, to be honest I haven't bought it yet, kek). Of course there's always the thing that those things could've been available in-game without paying, but it seems that they'll be a bit different from the regular ones, so they've obviously been designed just to be sold, rather than taken out of the existing pool and sold in DLCs.

I'm personally looking forward to playing it, but as of yet I'm a bit too cautious(and poor) to invest money in it. I probably will at some point(come on, it's Space Marine with Planetside 2-like open world!), but the time is hardly pressing, with one and a half year until release.

 Klerych wrote:
Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.

Don't attempt to pass of other peoples misgivings as mindless hipsterism. I have real concerns about the gameplay shown so far (which isn't likely to change even though the game is only in alpha), the Monetisation model and the developers track record. You may think that the game will be the best thing ever but don't be so blind as to ignore areas of real concern.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Klerych wrote:
Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.

Don't attempt to pass of other peoples misgivings as mindless hipsterism. I have real concerns about the gameplay shown so far (which isn't likely to change even though the game is only in alpha), the Monetisation model and the developers track record. You may think that the game will be the best thing ever but don't be so blind as to ignore areas of real concern.

I never said that I think it's the best thing ever, nor blind - I'm very cautious and I'm not going to buy it until I'm sure it's worth my money. While the choice of studio raises some concerns, so far they're doing fine, we'll see if they keep doing the right things later. The monetisation isn't any different than that in Planetside 2, which is largely okay, if not bit expensive, but it's vanity items you definetely don't need. If people wanted the store, the developers would be mentally impaired if they didn't provide. Seriously, can't think of any company that wouldn't do that, so let's not suddenly turn them into monsters - you don't have to buy their gak and developing a store like that doesn't take too much resources nor focus, so they didn't waste any precious amount of development time on it and it's doing fine - until we get -real- signs of them going the wrong way, acting like it's a terrible problem at this point is just plain stupid. If you're concerned that it might be the case then, sure, wait with buying it to see for yourself - I know I am doing that right now. Won't buy until I'm sure I will like it.

And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).

 Klerych wrote:

And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).

It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.

Aside from that it just look boring.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Klerych wrote:

And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).

It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.

Aside from that it just look boring.

Both of which are actually acceptable games by most people. I know I enjoy both.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Klerych wrote:

And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).

It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.

Aside from that it just look boring.

Not to mention, you can probably avoid the zergfest, but where the zergfest can't be found, well... That's the hunting grounds of the SUPER SERIOUS omgpro clans.

I have heard that they will move over to EC from Space Marine (Whose multiplayer they are currently absolutely swarming)

Actually look at Planetside 2. Zergfest, while effective at dominating majority of the map, soon loses it's momentum, especially when rush hours for that particular faction end and there's not enough people to keep pressing on while holding other outposts. Funnily enough it's pretty balanced and as soon as the offensive loses it's momentum and ends up in a long battle of attrition at some fortified base, the zergfest force crumbles, so it's perfectly fine.

If factions are balanced stat-wise, players will balance themselves out. Some factions will dominate for a moment, then they'll start losing ground and another will rise, and so on.

Except that the majority will play Space Marines, then.

I am not sure if even the Tyranids can hold back such a massive swarm of Muhreenz.

The CPU will just spawn Nids without end until the Marines either are destroyed or get bored fighting nids.

You can't defeat an enemy that never runs out of troops.

Any news on its subscription model?

 Ratius wrote:
Any news on its subscription model?

Buy for 40$ get full game.

Free to play as an ork boy.

There's also going to be the ability to purchase the game in pieces so you don't have to buy all the races.

Any reason FTP is only Orks?

 Ratius wrote:
Any reason FTP is only Orks?

Lots of F2P players => zerging => fits to Orks.

 Ratius wrote:
Any reason FTP is only Orks?

Orks iz da best. They's made for fightin, and winnin'!

If we winz, we winz, if we lose, we runz, but wez get to come back fur annuver day so.

 Ratius wrote:
Any reason FTP is only Orks?

It's more like a demo run, but they picked Ork because they felt that zerging large amounts of boyz fits orks the best, along with some player perception of free to play players.

They can still access things but things will be slower for them.

It's known as the Free to WAAAAGH!

If you don’t want to buy a game key, you can still try the Free-to-Waaagh mode and play Eternal Crusade as an Ork Character. In contrast to the premium Ork progression, some options will be locked off, but you’ll be able to go anywhere and fight for the Waaagh! If you like it, but don’t want to pay the full price, you can unlock some of the missing options with micro-transactions.

http://www.mmobomb.com/oh-when-the-orks-come-marching-in-eternal-crusade-free-explained

Wait, wait, wait, so that means that you have to pay ingame currency EVERY TIME you want to spawn as a specific class?

Sigvatr wrote:Wait, wait, wait, so that means that you have to pay ingame currency EVERY TIME you want to spawn as a specific class?

Sounds pretty similar to Planetside's MAX suits.

It'll just be like Dust which works fine in my mind

It is a method to prevent everyone from being Librarians or Weirdboyz.

 Lynata wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Wait, wait, wait, so that means that you have to pay ingame currency EVERY TIME you want to spawn as a specific class?

Sounds pretty similar to Planetside's MAX suits.

That depends on what the 'currency' is.

The Planetside MAX suits use 'resources' which you quickly gain and cap out, which you spend on Grenades to stop grenade spam in a certain time (if you spend it all on grenades, you have to wait a few minutes to regen the resources to buy more grenades of MAX suits).

If it's like certs, then those are the things you spend on permanent upgrades like new guns or missiles for your vehicles. Those are earned slowly from playing and are more like an actual currency.

It says you use in-game currency to spawn as a powerful type.
That suggests that after enough kills you get enough points to upgrade after your next death.

Ill wait till there is a beta, i don't trust the studio or anything tied to games workshop to throw money at something early.




its a shame there is a cash shop already, makes me think will this end up like the other poorly made FTP cash grab games.

 Skinnereal wrote:
It says you use in-game currency to spawn as a powerful type.
That suggests that after enough kills you get enough points to upgrade after your next death.

Which still depends on exactly what 'in game currency' is. Planetside 2 for example has cert points and infantry/vehicle resources, both of which could be classed as in game currency yet function quite differently. Certs are slow to acquire and buy unlocks while resources are easy to acquire and unlock limited use equipment and vehicle spawns.

Given the context, I was assuming the former rather than the latter, simply because it's more sensible and this is how it's been done before, in games they already mentioned they are drawing inspiration from.

In other words: for the time being, I see no reason to panic.

Though I do hope there is some sort of cert based power to keep people from just all becoming Librarians and such.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Though I do hope there is some sort of cert based power to keep people from just all becoming Librarians and such.

A la Planetside 1 rather than 2 I hope in this case?